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[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Rakia Time wrote...

I hope they do, the wardens need a good thrashing before the inquisition finishes them off

You are aware that would be the end of the world in a few centuries?

Yep, and im perfectly fine with that as long as the wardens die :innocent:

[AutumnWitch]

lady_v23 wrote...

@Autumn witch

They can fight the circle AND the wardens at the same time? O.o

I think the Wardens numbers are low and the Templars high...plus the Wardens will obvioulsy be dealing with the veil tear and will lose people through that. It wouldn't surprse me that DA4 is about another blight and the Wardens are wiped out and it will be up to the player to rebuild them (will be either part of DA4 or the main plot)

[lady_v23]

Silfren wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

@Autumn witch

They can fight the circle AND the wardens at the same time? O.o

You're assuming that the templars will be unified.  This is not true.  It only makes sense that there will be templars loyal to the Chantry who do not follow Lambert, and anyway we have the evidence of "red templars" from PAX, which alone indicates multiple factions of templars.  But nobody is saying that the templars will form a single, cohesive army and attempt to fight a war on two fronts. 

..I see.

[leaguer of one]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If they're stupid enough to attack Grey Wardens then the Templars aren't going to around for very long. Warden's are the best of the best from every walk of life, They could rip through an army of mentally deranged drug addicts in no time.

Meh.
Wardens aren't that amazing.

Yes, they are. They are death machines made to kll death machines.

[leaguer of one]

Rakia Time wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Rakia Time wrote...

I hope they do, the wardens need a good thrashing before the inquisition finishes them off

You are aware that would be the end of the world in a few centuries?

Yep, and im perfectly fine with that as long as the wardens die :innocent:

Wow, everyone is going to die in your playthroughs.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If they're stupid enough to attack Grey Wardens then the Templars aren't going to around for very long. Warden's are the best of the best from every walk of life, They could rip through an army of mentally deranged drug addicts in no time.

Meh.
Wardens aren't that amazing.

Apparently, it says in the Calling that it took the entire Ferelden military to take down less than 100 Wardens.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

leaguer of one wrote...
Wow, everyone is going to die in your playthroughs.

Technically the darkspawn won't

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

leaguer of one wrote...

Rakia Time wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Rakia Time wrote...

I hope they do, the wardens need a good thrashing before the inquisition finishes them off

You are aware that would be the end of the world in a few centuries?

Yep, and im perfectly fine with that as long as the wardens die :innocent:

Wow, everyone is going to die in your playthroughs.

Assuming he's given that option, which isn't a sure thing; Bioware might withhold this option on the off chance they decide to make a game where you can play through another Blight without it being hopeless.

[lady_v23]

AutumnWitch wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

@Autumn witch

They can fight the circle AND the wardens at the same time? O.o

I think the Wardens numbers are low and the Templars high...plus the Wardens will obvioulsy be dealing with the veil tear and will lose people through that. It wouldn't surprse me that DA4 is about another blight and the Wardens are wiped out and it will be up to the player to rebuild them (will be either part of DA4 or the main plot)

good point.

[Former_Fiend]

AutumnWitch wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

@Autumn witch

They can fight the circle AND the wardens at the same time? O.o

I think the Wardens numbers are low and the Templars high...plus the Wardens will obvioulsy be dealing with the veil tear and will lose people through that. It wouldn't surprse me that DA4 is about another blight and the Wardens are wiped out and it will be up to the player to rebuild them (will be either part of DA4 or the main plot)

I honestly doubt the Wardens will be initially concerned with the viel tear, which may well bite them in the ass. I suspect that just as the templars will be concerned about the mages and the mages concerned about the templars, the Wardens will be as they always have been; concerned about the darkspawn, and nothing else.

I suspect knocking them out of that and recruiting their aid will be a major story arch for the game.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

AutumnWitch wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

@Autumn witch

They can fight the circle AND the wardens at the same time? O.o

I think the Wardens numbers are low and the Templars high...plus the Wardens will obvioulsy be dealing with the veil tear and will lose people through that. It wouldn't surprse me that DA4 is about another blight and the Wardens are wiped out and it will be up to the player to rebuild them (will be either part of DA4 or the main plot)

Low numbers doesn't really stop them during a Blight.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If they're stupid enough to attack Grey Wardens then the Templars aren't going to around for very long. Warden's are the best of the best from every walk of life, They could rip through an army of mentally deranged drug addicts in no time.

Meh.
Wardens aren't that amazing.

Apparently, it says in the Calling that it took the entire Ferelden military to take down less than 100 Wardens.

and our pc take down all of them ferelden military isn't very competent especially that loghain was best strategist and in first game he made so many dumb decision.

but seriously they aren't so powerful yes they are well-trained warriors but templars also and some of them have now super power sposored by red lyrium

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Assuming he's given that option, which isn't a sure thing; Bioware might withhold this option on the off chance they decide to make a game where you can play through another Blight without it being hopeless.

And why would we need Wardens in case of another blight? And i dont mean people who have went trough the joining, i mean Grey Wardens as an organisation

Modifié par Rakia Time, 14 septembre 2013 - 09:43 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

leaguer of one wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If they're stupid enough to attack Grey Wardens then the Templars aren't going to around for very long. Warden's are the best of the best from every walk of life, They could rip through an army of mentally deranged drug addicts in no time.

Meh.
Wardens aren't that amazing.

Yes, they are. They are death machines made to kll death machines.

Meh.
I'm not impressed.

[Former_Fiend]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If they're stupid enough to attack Grey Wardens then the Templars aren't going to around for very long. Warden's are the best of the best from every walk of life, They could rip through an army of mentally deranged drug addicts in no time.

Meh.
Wardens aren't that amazing.

Yes, they are. They are death machines made to kll death machines.

Meh.
I'm not impressed.

Have you considered that your standards might be a little too high?

[cj one]

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote... If they're stupid enough to attack Grey Wardens then the Templars aren't going to around for very long. Warden's are the best of the best from every walk of life, They could rip through an army of mentally deranged drug addicts in no time.

Meh. Wardens aren't that amazing.

Yes, they are. They are death machines made to kll death machines.

Meh. I'm not impressed.

A single Grey Warden can kill dozens of darkspawn,most people can't even kill a few without dying because of the Taint.</p>

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Meh.
Wardens aren't that amazing.

Apparently, it says in the Calling that it took the entire Ferelden military to take down less than 100 Wardens.

and our pc take down all of them ferelden military isn't very competent especially that loghain was best strategist and in first game he made so many dumb decision.

Passing over the fact that Loghain wasn't in charge of them back then, you're also missing the more important fact that competence shouldn't matter in this. We are talking about the military of an entire country against about 100 people.

but seriously they aren't so powerful yes they are well-trained warriors but templars also and some of them have now super power sposored by red lyrium

I have never seen the Templars credited with anything like what the Wardens have been. Also, supposing that in this playthrough Avernus published that brew of his?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 septembre 2013 - 09:56 .

[The Hierophant]

If by 100 wardens you mean Sophia Dryden's rebellion didn't that consist of demon spamming and blood magic abuse?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Rakia Time wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Assuming he's given that option, which isn't a sure thing; Bioware might withhold this option on the off chance they decide to make a game where you can play through another Blight without it being hopeless.

And why would we need Wardens in case of another blight? And i dont mean people who have went trough the joining, i mean Grey Wardens as an organisation

Okay, you might have something there. On the other hand, retaining the Joining after the Wardens are destroyed would require that A: the Inquisitor know it is necessary to save it, B: The Wardens not destroying the information, and C: that there not be any complete fanatics in your organization who try to sabotage this operation due to hating blood magic more than they do death.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Hierophant wrote...

If by 100 wardens you mean Sophia Dryden's rebellion didn't that consist of demon spamming and blood magic abuse?

Blood magic yes. Demon spamming only at the end.

[The Hierophant]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

If by 100 wardens you mean Sophia Dryden's rebellion didn't that consist of demon spamming and blood magic abuse?

Blood magic yes. Demon spamming only at the end.

Weren't they also holed up at the keep during the majority of the conflict after Sophia's coup was repelled?

[Former_Fiend]

The Hierophant wrote...

If by 100 wardens you mean Sophia Dryden's rebellion didn't that consist of demon spamming and blood magic abuse?

It also consisted of having a supremely defensible position in Soldier's Peak.

But that's part of the point; the Wardens are more than supremely skilled warriors- compared to the Templars who'll just take anyone who can say a prayer and swing a sword, the Wardens only accept the best. But beyond that, the Wardens are willing to go to any length to achieve victory. Blood magic, demon spamming. Doesn't matter.

[Lord Raijin]

RazorrX wrote...

Ser Rylock overstepped her authority though. During the second blight when The Chantry forces turned and aided the Wardens a bond was formed between the two. The Wardens converted to the Chantry (at least superficially) and the Chantry swore to support the Wardens. An agreement was entered that gave the Wardens the right of Conscription and the ROC allows a mage to be taken from the circle to serve the wardens.

Now it is my understanding that a mage is protected from the chantry unless s/he goes nutso, becomes an abomination, leaves the wardens, etc. As long as the mage is in the wardens they are 'free'. IF they leave the wardens they are to turn themselves into the nearest circle, Failing to do that brands them an apostate.

Now the Red Templars may feel that all agreements are nul and void. But the Chantry loyal Templars should be bound to the agreement between the wardens and the chantry.

Judging by Anders Lore story a mage must comply to the rules of the Chantry even when they do become a Grey warden. Granted some of the rules do change, like being able to use blood magic, but being an abomination is far worst than using blood magic in the eyes of the Grey.

"The Wardens agreed we can't harbor an abomination," he is saying, nasal voice vibrating with smug satisfaction, and I don't need to hear more. He's brought the templars down on me, on us, and this is just what we've been waiting for.

Mages who are Grey wardens aren't completly free. If they become currupted or they suspect that their mages became an abomination they would have no problem sending templars after them like they did with Anders.

[Palidane]

If the Templars try to pick a fight with the Grey Wardens, they're gonna get more than they bargained for. Only the best of the best can get through the joining, which means just being in the Grey Wardens makes you a certified badass. They also have a relatively large number of mages, who are not afraid to to use Blood Magic. What's more, the Grey Wardens are extremely popular and respected in the Anderfels and Ferelden, and they could probably make them unhealthy places for a Templar to be fairly easily.

[MadCat221]

The Templars have already exhibited trouble understanding the exemptness of mages within the Warden ranks, as demonstrated by DA:A and Anders. So probably.