Master Warder Z wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
This seems like another after war thought personally; The Templars and Therefore the Seekers controlling the Templars are meeting the former remenants of the Circle in battle.
Once that has ended we can see where they go from there; After the dust has settled the Seekers very well might continued to ignore the Wardens or engage them.
However Mages within the Wardens are a rarity to begin with according to the Wardens themselves and therefore i can see the Wardens solving this issue by merely turning over the Wardens if their political position aka their neutrality is threatened by not doing so.
The Wardens do not want to be ejected from a Nation; I doubt they would be pleased with the Ultimatium of "Give us the Mages or get out" But i do believe their choice would be to remain and go with out mages.
First of all, Mage are a need resorce with their attack and healing abilities, no way an armed force would ever give up people as valuible as mages.
Second, the templar no longer work or have athority of the chantry. They have nothing back anything they say because they are renagades. Even the seekers are not longer with the chantry but a few. And they don't have a country backing them.
If the templars try to attack the mages of the grey wardens, they will be demolished with no punishment going to the gray wardens.
Incorrect and biased assumption to boot.
One we do not know the state of the Chantry involvement with both factions to this moment we all know that Lambert disolved the accord that allowed the chantry to direct the Seekers and thus the Templars.
They very well could have positions of support coming from the chantry that share their view; After all the new Divine isn't exactly popular even among her own order so i think its a bit premature to judge the entire chantry to be unsupportive to the very faction they have been assisting and directing for only a thousand years.
Two.
The Templars are they stand now are a viable Nation in their own right, Not counting the Red Templars and Lamber's gathering of Knight Commanders and thus all the resources 13 chapters of templars will bring to the table you have thousands if not tens of thousands of warriors in this gathering.
You have enough to march upon any Gray Warden Stronghold in Thedas and win through sheer numeric might.
Thirdly again assumption The Templars had immense political power within Kirkwall and who is to say that this isn't the case elsewhere? Once the Chantry fragmented with the disolving of the Accord and the Mage Templar war you likely would see Nations that were once impartial to the chantry and thus the Templars having them used as a Martial Force because they already exist as an army.
So the Situation while far from clear or known as i see it the Templars hold the aces when dealing with a much smaller, much more disaproved of group such as the Wardens.
Your basically comparing a relic that most Nations, Nobles and Scholars agree no longer has purpose except every few centuries and the balwark against Magic and the Common Man.
If Nations had to choose between the two?
The choice is pretty clear.
"Incorrect and biased assumption to boot.
One we do not know the state of the Chantry involvement with both factions to this moment we all know that Lambert disolved the accord that allowed the chantry to direct the Seekers and thus the Templars.
They very well could have positions of support coming from the chantry that share their view; After all the new Divine isn't exactly popular even among her own order so i think its a bit premature to judge the entire chantry to be unsupportive to the very faction they have been assisting and directing for only a thousand years."
Wrong. We do. Cassandra in DA2 makes it clear. It' s a mess and survirly divided. DA:Asunders makes it even more clear that most of the templars are not with the chantry.
"The Templars are they stand now are a viable Nation in their own right, Not counting the Red Templars and Lamber's gathering of Knight Commanders and thus all the resources 13 chapters of templars will bring to the table you have thousands if not tens of thousands of warriors in this gathering."
Wrong again. As great as the templar are they are not at a might of a nation. These are groups made to guard circles and even then they have a huge risk a resource. They need lyrium and only the chantry were suppling them and finacing them. They can do long term war with out the chantry.
"You have enough to march upon any Gray Warden Stronghold in Thedas and win through sheer numeric might."
Play the dlc "Wardens keep" and say that agein. The wardens held back an army for months. And that was just 20 men.
"Thirdly again assumption The Templars had immense political power within Kirkwall and who is to say that this isn't the case elsewhere? Once the Chantry fragmented with the disolving of the Accord and the Mage Templar war you likely would see Nations that were once impartial to the chantry and thus the Templars having them used as a Martial Force because they already exist as an army."
They only had it because the chantry wanted them to have it. They only got it because the prievious ruler of kirkwall attacked them out of Parinoia anf the templars won out in the fight. That does not mean templars have political power. In normal cases the templars do not get involved in the matters of the state. The templars of kirkwall were only allow political control because the chantry wanted them to hold it.
No nation is going to side with the templars. They are not as great warriors as you think. They take up too much resource to mantain with their need of lyrium to even function. With out lyrium templar are out by a month. Mage on the other hand can take on armies with just a hand full an heal countless people. Mages were the only thing that stopped the qunari from over running thades.
Mages are 1000 times more valuble then Templars in a war and yet your saying nations will side with the templars who can't go a month with out expensive lyrium?
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