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[Sir DeLoria]

Keelah, Seival and Xil<_<

[Shadow Fox]

This guy's a troll right?

[Mullins the Great]

troll or not . . . it just dawned on me here, maybe because I never cared for tevinter beyond the fact that they enslave my people, but they seem to have a hell of a lot in common with the sith empire, what with control through fear and using a power that few people have to rule over the masses . . . how about that ._.

[leaguer of one]

Mullins the Great wrote...

troll or not . . . it just dawned on me here, maybe because I never cared for tevinter beyond the fact that they enslave my people, but they seem to have a hell of a lot in common with the sith empire, what with control through fear and using a power that few people have to rule over the masses . . . how about that ._.

Sith, Drow, Protheans,Tevinter, and Lotus assains.

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Everyone already is a salve.

I am no salve. 

Some sort of slavery exists in any society. Tevinter is just one of the many examples.

You are bound by society rules.
You are bound by employment contracts.
Government always keeps an eye on you.
You have to pay tribute (taxes, fees).
If you'll try to disturb the system, you will be dealt with quick and violently.
And you are a some sort of slave of your desire to be "free".
You are in the shackles, and you enjoy it. 

Modifié par Seival, 18 septembre 2013 - 08:41 .

[Taveira]

I still prefer the Qun over the Tevinter...

[Navasha]

The Tevinter empire of old is almost a mirror image of the history of the Roman empire. A wide vast empire that ruled most of the known world at the height of its power. It underwent a dramatic change of religious beliefs from polytheism to monotheism. The bulk of its empire was broken apart and toppled both by the corruption within and a rebellion of outsiders.

The Tevinter that exists in present day Thedas is clearly a mirror image to the remnants of the Eastern Roman Empire (which we typically call the Byzantine Empire today). They never returned to the glory of old Rome either. They were slowly whittled away by various neighbors until they finally succumbed to a more powerful force.

[Seival]

Ieldra2 wrote...

So, Seival has arrived in DA land and with him claims whose plausibility approaches the magnitude of the Planck constant. I guess it's useless to post a differentiated opinion here, but let's try:

Let me first ask this: yes, the rule preventing mages from ruling needs to go, but seriously, which mage would want to rule in the first place, realistically? You'd need to deal with people's stupidity and prejudice every day. As a mage, you have much more interesting things to do, and you have the power to ensure that the reason why people usually want to rule doesn't apply to you: you have the power to ensure that nobody rules over you.

Second, Tevinter is not a paradise for mages. The intense competition tends to have rather unpleasant side effects, especially if for some inexplicable reason, you don't like to use up others' lives for your magic. Having said that, I would like a portrayal of Tevinter which isn't as one-sided as the Chantry makes it out to be, and given the choice between Templar rule and Tevinter rule, I'd choose the latter as a mage.

Third, even I agreed with your notion that a perfectly controlled society is good (I don't, just in case that wasn't clear), Tevinter is hardly that. Tevinter is actually less controlled than any other nation. It's a culture where the whims of the individual are given free rein. If you're a magister, you can basically do what you want. The resulting internal instability I see as the main reason why Tevinter couldn't win against the qunari so far. And there you have the perfectly controlled society: the qunari; right there at the opposite end of the "individualism vs. collectivism" scale.

I believe that keeping everything and everyone under control by Blood Magic doesn't require constant concentrating on control. Magisters indoctrinate people, build the kind of preferences they want in people. And those indoctrinated individuals follow the path of education and work strictly within the bounds of their influenced minds... Good way to cure some people stupidity and have no risk to suffer from it, by the way. Magisters would be some kind of operators of a giant machine, called Tevinter society. The machine serves to Magisters, and Magisters serve to the machine. Everyone are happy slaves. And Blood Magic is the fuel and the catalyst for all of this.

Current Tevinter is not a paradise for anyone. That's why it has to reborn to the ancient state, and then be reformed to fit its desired specifications. Tevinter has great potential. And Blood Magic is the key to that potential.

Modifié par Seival, 18 septembre 2013 - 09:06 .

[saMoorai]

eluvianix wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I'll post a few more.

Here we see the black chantry, with a statue of the first black divine in front of it.



Here we see loyal knights for the imperial city, clad in custom designed armor made to protect them from even the greatest of qunari weapons.



Some ancient tevinter temples to the old god dumat, still around from before the frist blight.



An old statue, of who I can't be sure.



And here is a powerful magister, preparing an amry with his apprentice to battle the qunari hordes.

That's all Star Wars dude. 

You calling my Waifu a liar?

[Br3admax]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Everyone already is a salve.

I am no salve. 

Some sort of slavery exists in any society. Tevinter is just one of the many examples.

You are bound by society rules.
You are bound by employment contracts.
Government always keeps an eye on you.
You have to pay tribute (taxes, fees).
If you'll try to disturb the system, you will be dealt with quick and violently.
And you are a some sort of slave of your desire to be "free".
You are in the shackles, and you enjoy it. 

And yet, I still have a choice, which seems to always be the point that you miss.

[Seival]

Br3ad wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Everyone already is a salve.

I am no salve. 

Some sort of slavery exists in any society. Tevinter is just one of the many examples.

You are bound by society rules.
You are bound by employment contracts.
Government always keeps an eye on you.
You have to pay tribute (taxes, fees).
If you'll try to disturb the system, you will be dealt with quick and violently.
And you are a some sort of slave of your desire to be "free".
You are in the shackles, and you enjoy it. 

And yet, I still have a choice, which seems to always be the point that you miss.

Every slave have a choice of how exactly to obey the master. You may pay your taxes later, of course. But try to avoid paying them at all, and see what happens next

[TheBlackBaron]

See, there's time when I find myself preferring the Tevinter way of things, with the Black Divine and the Imperial Chantry.

And then there's threads like these, which inspire me to go full Templar. Burn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the unclean.

[Br3admax]

Seival wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Everyone already is a salve.

I am no salve. 

Some sort of slavery exists in any society. Tevinter is just one of the many examples.

You are bound by society rules.
You are bound by employment contracts.
Government always keeps an eye on you.
You have to pay tribute (taxes, fees).
If you'll try to disturb the system, you will be dealt with quick and violently.
And you are a some sort of slave of your desire to be "free".
You are in the shackles, and you enjoy it. 

And yet, I still have a choice, which seems to always be the point that you miss.

Every slave have a choice of how exactly to obey the master. You may pay your taxes later, of course. But try to avoid paying them at all, and see what happens next

Are you even sure what you are trying to argue anymore? 

[Seival]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

See, there's time when I find myself preferring the Tevinter way of things, with the Black Divine and the Imperial Chantry.

And then there's threads like these, which inspire me to go full Templar. Burn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the unclean.

I really doubt you ever preferred the Tevinter way of things.

[Heimdall]

Seival wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

See, there's time when I find myself preferring the Tevinter way of things, with the Black Divine and the Imperial Chantry.

And then there's threads like these, which inspire me to go full Templar. Burn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the unclean.

I really doubt you ever preferred the Tevinter way of things.

*Agreement*

Its easy to mistake dissatisfaction with the Templars and Chantry for a preference to the only Thedosian alternative.

[leaguer of one]

Seival wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Everyone already is a salve.

I am no salve. 

Some sort of slavery exists in any society. Tevinter is just one of the many examples.

You are bound by society rules.
You are bound by employment contracts.
Government always keeps an eye on you.
You have to pay tribute (taxes, fees).
If you'll try to disturb the system, you will be dealt with quick and violently.
And you are a some sort of slave of your desire to be "free".
You are in the shackles, and you enjoy it. 

And yet, I still have a choice, which seems to always be the point that you miss.

Every slave have a choice of how exactly to obey the master. You may pay your taxes later, of course. But try to avoid paying them at all, and see what happens next

Wow, that's a stretch.

[leaguer of one]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I'll post a few more.

Here we see the black chantry, with a statue of the first black divine in front of it.



Here we see loyal knights for the imperial city, clad in custom designed armor made to protect them from even the greatest of qunari weapons.



Some ancient tevinter temples to the old god dumat, still around from before the frist blight.



An old statue, of who I can't be sure.



And here is a powerful magister, preparing an amry with his apprentice to battle the qunari hordes.

That's all Star Wars dude. 

You calling my Waifu a liar?

You know. We can post pictures of protheans, drow and Lotus assasin and it would make no difference.

[Cirram55]

Why does the OP assume that I want to be happy?

Maybe I have different priorities, and value my actual will more than my possible happiness; if so, what's the use of any control imposed over me?

[Cainhurst Crow]

All hail the one sithvinter empire.

[leaguer of one]

Cirram55 wrote...

Why does the OP assume that I want to be happy?

Maybe I have different priorities, and value my actual will more than my possible happiness; if so, what's the use of any control imposed over me?

Imagine your life with the despair of freedom.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 18 septembre 2013 - 10:15 .

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

All hail the one sithvinter empire.

The protheans approve.

[Shadow Fox]

Last I checked slaves didn't have rights though.

[Xiltas]

Utter nonsense, OP.

I agree, with great power comes great responsibility, but that means that those with power have to wield it wisely.
What you are talking about sounds almost like a mage-version of the qun.
Too much order eventually leads to stagnation, you need chaos to evolve, to find new ways of doing things.
Order (control) and chaos have to be in balance.

Mages deserve their freedom, they should regulate themselves and show society that they are just like them.
No tyranny, no forced (false) peace. The mage has to understand that he must not simply become a vessel for the power; he's supposed control the magic, not be controlled by it. Magic is a tool that could possibly bring happiness to everybody, but not through oppression.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Everyone already is a salve.

I am no salve. 

Some sort of slavery exists in any society. Tevinter is just one of the many examples.

You are bound by society rules.
You are bound by employment contracts.
Government always keeps an eye on you.
You have to pay tribute (taxes, fees).

None of that is indicative of slavery.

If you'll try to disturb the system, you will be dealt with quick and violently.

Maybe in the society you live in.

And you are a some sort of slave of your desire to be "free".

I don't desire to be free, I already am. You and every other pseudo-realist who think freedom is the ability to do literally anything, instantly, and without consequence, are utterly deluded. Come back down to planet Earth, Seival.

You are in the shackles, and you enjoy it. 

You're assuming a lot about my current situation in life with that statement.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 18 septembre 2013 - 10:45 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Xiltas wrote...

Utter nonsense, OP.

I agree, with great power comes great responsibility, but that means that those with power have to wield it wisely.
What you are talking about sounds almost like a mage-version of the qun.
Too much order eventually leads to stagnation, you need chaos to evolve, to find new ways of doing things.
Order (control) and chaos have to be in balance.

Mages deserve their freedom, they should regulate themselves and show society that they are just like them.
No tyranny, no forced (false) peace. The mage has to understand that he must not simply become a vessel for the power; he's supposed control the magic, not be controlled by it. Magic is a tool that could possibly bring happiness to everybody, but not through oppression.

eee if you have power you can do whatever you want until someone will stop you thats depends on your views what you see as bad or good or you just don't care about it and whether you are intrested in needs of others or not it is up to you.Mage doesn't have to do nothing you just want force mage to follow thats you want them to follow and what you will do with that who won't follow that force them to follow or kill them?