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[Hippiethecat124]

*grabs popcorn*
Mods must be coming soon, but damn if I don't want to see where this thread goes first!
*chews happily*
Please, continue, Master Seival.

[Seival]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Gee, I wonder what gave it away.

Enjoy your evil imperial overlords sev, since they're both pretty much indistinguishable from one another.

"Evil", "Good" - they are just words. They show your personal attitude towards something, nothing more. 

Modifié par Seival, 14 septembre 2013 - 08:23 .

[AresKeith]

Seival's troll threads never cease to amaze

[The Night Mammoth]

You want to be a happy slave, unaware of your servitude?

Okay! I'll give you my address, you can come over and I'll beat you with a shoe till you're a vegetable, or you lose your memory. How's that sound?

Never have children.

[Fast Jimmy]

Seival wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Gee, I wonder what gave it away. * Enjoy your evil imperial overlords sev, since they're both pretty much indistinguishable from one another.

"Evil", "Good" - they are just words. They show your personal attitude towards something, nothing more. 

Anyone who assumes that The Empire and/or The Dark Side are intrinsically "evil" needs to seriously evaluate their world views.

The Empire is a more efficient means of rule than the Relublic ever was. It made a mockery of democracy and suffered from extreme corruption and hyper-pluralism. Did the voice of "the people" ever make it's way to the floor of meetings and committees a? No, it was always the interests of the trade federation and guilds - money ruled behind the scenes, while a pagent of a popularity contest was given as an opiate to the masses. The Empire shut down the blatant abuses of these groups and moved forward with its own agenda... which also happens to squelch galactic crime, introduce continuity of rule, end widespread war and bloodshed and, overall, keep the schemers of the galaxy in line.

And to say the Dark Side, which promotes passion, emotion and feeling, is somehow evil when compared to the Jedi, which preach a doctrine of cold, calculated indifference and prohibit any real relationships or love in one's life, is ridiculous. Life without emotion is the life of a droid. If you are not allowed to be passionate about what you believe, then there is little point in having the option to even choose your beliefs at all. 

[Hellion Rex]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Seival wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Gee, I wonder what gave it away. * Enjoy your evil imperial overlords sev, since they're both pretty much indistinguishable from one another.

"Evil", "Good" - they are just words. They show your personal attitude towards something, nothing more. 

Anyone who assumes that The Empire and/or The Dark Side are intrinsically "evil" needs to seriously evaluate their world views.

The Empire is a more efficient means of rule than the Relublic ever was. It made a mockery of democracy and suffered from extreme corruption and hyper-pluralism. Did the voice of "the people" ever make it's way to the floor of meetings and committees a? No, it was always the interests of the trade federation and guilds - money ruled behind the scenes, while a pagent of a popularity contest was given as an opiate to the masses. The Empire shut down the blatant abuses of these groups and moved forward with its own agenda... which also happens to squelch galactic crime, introduce continuity of rule, end widespread war and bloodshed and, overall, keep the schemers of the galaxy in line.

And to say the Dark Side, which promotes passion, emotion and feeling, is somehow evil when compared to the Jedi, which preach a doctrine of cold, calculated indifference and prohibit any real relationships or love in one's life, is ridiculous. Life without emotion is the life of a droid. If you are not allowed to be passionate about what you believe, then there is little point in having the option to even choose your beliefs at all. 

^This. SO MUCH THIS. Preach!

[Fast Jimmy]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You want to be a happy slave, unaware of your servitude?

Okay! I'll give you my address, you can come over and I'll beat you with a shoe till you're a vegetable, or you lose your memory. How's that sound?

Never have children.

Brain damage is a terrible quality in one who serves. 

[KainD]

Seival wrote...

With great power comes great responsibility.

No, with great power comes personal freedom from everyone and everything.
''Through power I gain victory, through victory my chains are broken, the force shall free me.''

Seival wrote...
Magic has to rule over the people to keep them under control.

Thus magic doesn't ''have to'' anything. 

Seival wrote...
Without control the order would be impossible.

Order is a subjective term, as are good/evil. 

Seival wrote...
Without order the survival would be impossible.

Survival is for the fitest that dictate their own order. 

Seival wrote...
Blood Magic.
Magocracy.
Perfectly controlled society.
The best hope for the bright future.

The bright future for individuals in power.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

eluvianix wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Seival wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Gee, I wonder what gave it away. * Enjoy your evil imperial overlords sev, since they're both pretty much indistinguishable from one another.

"Evil", "Good" - they are just words. They show your personal attitude towards something, nothing more. 

Anyone who assumes that The Empire and/or The Dark Side are intrinsically "evil" needs to seriously evaluate their world views.

The Empire is a more efficient means of rule than the Relublic ever was. It made a mockery of democracy and suffered from extreme corruption and hyper-pluralism. Did the voice of "the people" ever make it's way to the floor of meetings and committees a? No, it was always the interests of the trade federation and guilds - money ruled behind the scenes, while a pagent of a popularity contest was given as an opiate to the masses. The Empire shut down the blatant abuses of these groups and moved forward with its own agenda... which also happens to squelch galactic crime, introduce continuity of rule, end widespread war and bloodshed and, overall, keep the schemers of the galaxy in line.

And to say the Dark Side, which promotes passion, emotion and feeling, is somehow evil when compared to the Jedi, which preach a doctrine of cold, calculated indifference and prohibit any real relationships or love in one's life, is ridiculous. Life without emotion is the life of a droid. If you are not allowed to be passionate about what you believe, then there is little point in having the option to even choose your beliefs at all. 

^This. SO MUCH THIS. Preach!

And i'm sure everyone rejoiced as human-centroism and xenophobic based laws, the aboslishment of rights, the legalization of slavery, mass unprovoked planetary genocide campaigns, and the massive waste of funds enacted by the military to build massive, highly impractical ships and super weapons, swept through the galaxy under the sith rule.

Additionally, jedi philosophy always seemed more about having reason governing passion, and not the removal of passion all together, while the sith believe in passion and emotions ruling over reason and everything else.

Similar to the addage of "Magic exist to serve man, never rule over him" I always thought of the jedi code as "Passion exist to serve man, never rule over him."

A world ruled by emotions would be quite chaotic and hellish, people killing, hurting, raping, and doing all sorts of horrible things to others becasue of spur of the moment decisions. Sith seem to strive for power so that they may act on all of their passions and desires unabated by how it affects anyone except themselves. It is essentially the pinicle of selfishness, and instability, and it shows in how many betrayls and how much disorginization there was in the sith before palpatines rise to power. I'd take the jedi's path of keeping control and behaving yourself over the sith's go crazy and do whatever you want philosophy when it comes to governing myself and my actions.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 14 septembre 2013 - 08:44 .

[DebatableBubble]

Seival wrote...

Navasha wrote...

An Ordered society and slavery are pretty much synonymous to me. It doesn't matter how "wise" the master is... Its never good.

What is so bad in being a slave, if you don't even realize that you are a slave and very happy with your life?

You cannot be serious.....


You're serious. Just when I thought the people on this forum could not get any more pants-on-head retarded. No offense to any actual retards. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You want to be a happy slave, unaware of your servitude?

Okay! I'll give you my address, you can come over and I'll beat you with a shoe till you're a vegetable, or you lose your memory. How's that sound?

Never have children.

Brain damage is a terrible quality in one who serves. 

I don't care about the quality of his servitude. So long as Seival's happy and unaware of the fact that he's been beaten and made into a living table in my dining room, then it's all good.

[Silfren]

Seival wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Seival wrote...

I have understanding of Tevinter potential with right directions of controlling and being under control. This is more than enough. Magocracy is the best way to be, if the leaders are wise enough.

So you're okay with oppression? Just need clarity on that point. Though you already say so.

There is no oppression when everyone are forced to be happy. Oppression is when everyone are "free" and unhappy.

People need control just like they need food, water, and air.

Oddly enough I'm reading a novel right now that deals with the question of a Society optimizing its citizens health and happiness through absolute control of work, play, marriage, reproduction, retirement, etc. 

The idea that oppression isn't so bad or doesn't actually exist, if it leads to happiness, is illusory.  The happiness itself is an illusion.

[Seival]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I just found out bioware released a bunch of new concept art for the tevinter imperium. It looks awesome, and I can't wait to visit it.

Is it just me or does that look very...sci fi? 

Not at all.

This picture is a very nice concept of the Tevinter Empire architecture. Just imagine that all lights on the picture are magical, and all buildings are made of stone. Tevinter Empire has to look very civilized and quite advanced.

[DebatableBubble]

Wow. That is so Dromund Kaas. Looks awesome.

[Steelcan]

Thats the Sith Empire Seival

[Silfren]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You want to be a happy slave, unaware of your servitude?

Okay! I'll give you my address, you can come over and I'll beat you with a shoe till you're a vegetable, or you lose your memory. How's that sound?

Never have children.

Brain damage is a terrible quality in one who serves. 

I don't care about the quality of his servitude. So long as Seival's happy and unaware of the fact that he's been beaten and made into a living table in my dining room, then it's all good.

Don't you think you're taking them a bit too seriously? they're almost surely a troll.  I'm certain they are, and just allowing for the possibility of otherwise.  It's an interesting philosophical question, but still, troll.  You're giving them what they want by your response.

[Eragon-]

Steelcan wrote...

Thats the Sith Empire Seival

Oh, c'mon!! Why did you have to ruin the fun ?

[Herr Uhl]

Seival wrote...

Tevinter Empire has to look very civilized and quite advanced.

Why? If anything, I'm expecting it to look Roman. With the pig latin that is Arcanum, gladiator fighters et al.

[DebatableBubble]

Eragon- wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Thats the Sith Empire Seival

Oh, c'mon!! Why did you have to ruin the fun ?

Closer inspection reveals that it is indeed the Sith Empire. Sadface.  

[Fast Jimmy]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Seival wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Gee, I wonder what gave it away. * Enjoy your evil imperial overlords sev, since they're both pretty much indistinguishable from one another.

"Evil", "Good" - they are just words. They show your personal attitude towards something, nothing more. 

 

Anyone who assumes that The Empire and/or The Dark Side are intrinsically "evil" needs to seriously evaluate their world views. 

The Empire is a more efficient means of rule than the Relublic ever was. It made a mockery of democracy and suffered from extreme corruption and hyper-pluralism. Did the voice of "the people" ever make it's way to the floor of meetings and committees a? No, it was always the interests of the trade federation and guilds - money ruled behind the scenes, while a pagent of a popularity contest was given as an opiate to the masses. The Empire shut down the blatant abuses of these groups and moved forward with its own agenda... which also happens to squelch galactic crime, introduce continuity of rule, end widespread war and bloodshed and, overall, keep the schemers of the galaxy in line. 

And to say the Dark Side, which promotes passion, emotion and feeling, is somehow evil when compared to the Jedi, which preach a doctrine of cold, calculated indifference and prohibit any real relationships or love in one's life, is ridiculous. Life without emotion is the life of a droid. If you are not allowed to be passionate about what you believe, then there is little point in having the option to even choose your beliefs at all. 

^This. SO MUCH THIS. Preach!

And i'm sure everyone rejoiced as human-centroism and xenophobic based laws, the aboslishment of rights, the legalization of slavery, mass unprovoked planetary genocide campaigns, and the massive waste of funds enacted by the military to build massive, highly impractical ships and super weapons, swept through the galaxy under the sith rule.

And everyone rejoiced as the trade federation jacked up tarrifs, encouraged droid army intervention to slaughter races that dared defy and made defacto slavery a legal reality?

Did I, anywhere, say the Empire was a utopia? But to say the only other alternative to the Empire, the Republic, was somehow a freedom-based organization that everyone flourished under is a joke. No system can be perfect, because corruption, greed and avarice exist. The Empire did a better job of overcoming the obstacles that the Star Wars universe presented than the Republic, period. The mistakes the Empire made were their own undoing, for sue, but it was a far cry from "evil." 

And the more appropriate discussion when discussing the DA universe is my comments on the Dark aside, given how apostates and blood Mages are incredibly relevant to the lore. 

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Thats the Sith Empire Seival

And?

[Cainhurst Crow]

LindsayLohan wrote...

What is the point of this thread?

Whining about why the sith shouldn't be called evil, even though they practice supreme selfishness and profit for the individual over any sort of profit towards a group. Making them pretty evil by my definition, which apparently rustled jimmy's jimmies.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 14 septembre 2013 - 08:49 .

[K_Tabris]

LindsayLohan wrote...

What is the point of this thread?

to celebrate being pro-Mage?