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[cjones91]

So I've read arguments on other forums saying the templars are more well liked among the people of Thedas and they would get more resources and support than the mages.However who would support a rogue army that defied the equivalent of Thedas' Pope?The people of Thedas believe in the Chantry and were IMO brainwashed to believe all magic is dangerous and mages need to be locked up.

Naturally the templars will play up these fears but what happens when the common man finds his house ransacked by a group of lyrium deprived templars because they needed money for their lyrium fix?

Some people would argue that the templars would have the backing of the common man/nobility however I  believe the Red Templars will cast the rest of the Order in a bad light and the ignorant masses will think they are just as bad as the mages.So which side would get the most support during the Mage/Templar War?

[LobselVith8]

It could go either way before the protagonist gets involved. I think the Inquisitor will ultimately factor into which side gets more support, since it seems that the protagonist will be establishing armies and gaining a foothold in a myriad of territories across Thedas.

[Silfren]

LobselVith8 wrote...

It could go either way before the protagonist gets involved. I think the Inquisitor will ultimately factor into which side gets more support, since it seems that the protagonist will be establishing armies and gaining a foothold in a myriad of territories across Thedas.

I agree with this.  I think part of the story will be that the only thing the mages and templars are achieving is chaos and death, without either side actually winning any headway, and that the Inquisitor and her forces will be what tips the balance.

[Master Warder Z_]

Likely the PC will determine the outcome of the conflict as others have already stated.

But ultimately Whatever positions and motivations there are to take is up to the Dev Team, You interact in the situation they wrote after all.

But in my personal opinion?

The Templars.

They have history and Countless generations of Public support on their side.

[Silfren]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Likely the PC will determine the outcome of the conflict as others have already stated.

But ultimately Whatever positions and motivations there are to take is up to the Dev Team, You interact in the situation they wrote after all.

But in my personal opinion?

The Templars.

They have history and Countless generations of Public support on their side.

While this is true, it's also true that we know at least in some places, the Templars are squandered the public goodwill.  And this conflict is happening some years removed from the end of DA2.  It's entirely possible, especially after such events as the slaughter of the Rivaini Circle, they'll have squandered it even more. And don't forget that templars without lyrium tend to be...unhealthy.  The public seeing widespread cases of lyrium withdrawal may have a significantly detrimental effect on public opinion--especially if there are rogue templars who take to harrassing the general populace as many had done in Kirkwall.  Then of course there are the red templars, who, from what tiny bit's been shown, could be deranged drug-addled maniacs. 

There are any number of reasons why the general opinion of templars might well have shifted.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Cullen did say, in Kirkwall of all places, that the perception is shifting. The bound and jailed mage apprentice, he said, is a powerful image.

[Hellion Rex]

Mages FTW

[Northern Sun]

I've always figured that the best thing for the rebel mages to do is try to cut off lyrium trade routes but otherwise stay out of the public view. The lack of a steady lyrium supply would eventually cause Templars to start either "taxing" the places they're in control of or outright looting to pay for their fix(or ingest red lyrium and become insane psychopaths). Public opinion of the Templars would shift pretty damn quickly away from them once that starts happening, especially if the mages come in and offer their protection+healing magic.

[leaguer of one]

Before taking a side, remember that factions are not just templars vs mages. Each side has factions of there own. Their templars who are pro chantry, anti-chanrty, red Templars, pro mage templers, blood mages, pro chantry mages, revolutionist, and pro-circle.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Templars obviously.

Nearly all free mages have resorted to blood magic and have done more harm than what a templar suffering from lyrium withdrawal has, which is what The Chantry will be blamed for. If anything, I think the people will support the templars against The Chantry and mages.

We'll see.

[-TC1989-]

leaguer of one wrote...

Before taking a side, remember that factions are not just templars vs mages. Each side has factions of there own. Their templars who are pro chantry, anti-chanrty, red Templars, pro mage templers, blood mages, pro chantry mages, revolutionist, and pro-circle.

I think that's one of the only things I would still find interesting in this whole Templars vs Mages thing. Seeing all the shades of grey within both sides could prove to be pretty cool, and it would be something I'd actually enjoy seeing.

[leaguer of one]

Elton John is dead wrote...



Nearly all free mages have resorted to blood magic and have done more harm than what a templar suffering from lyrium withdrawal has,

No they haven't.

[mikeymoonshine]

As Cullun said in DA2 people no longer respect the templars. Many in thedas have grown to hate them I can imagine allot of support for both sides.

The Chantry isn't on the Templars side though is it? They want to negotiate with the Mages.

Modifié par mikeymoonshine, 15 septembre 2013 - 04:19 .

[dragonflight288]

Realistically? I honestly believe they'll have roughly equal footing. The templars will have more support in Orlais overall, and probably the Anderfels as well, but the mages will have more influence in Rivain and Nevarra. The Free Marches are likely to be split and Ferelden will probably depend on our individual playthroughs. Did we support mages or templars in Broken Circle, that sort of thing.

Some may say the image of of the chained apprentice from the savage and cruel templar is a powerful image, and it is. But so too is the image of an abomination rampaging through a town square. And that image is also just as powerful as a valiant templars standing between a blood mage and his victim, compared to the image of a templar squad leading an assault on a town so they can pay for their lyrium, innocents simply in the way of 'the makers work.'

I think the Inquisitor will be the one to tip the balance, one way or another. But overall, I think the side that has more support will depend upon who the hero of ferelden and Hawke each supported in the two previous games.

[Maria Caliban]

I hope to utterly crush them both under my benevolent dictatorship.

[leaguer of one]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope to utterly crush them both under my benevolent dictatorship.

All hail the qunquisitor....

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mages already lose they don't have any chance templars are better trained and well trained to kill mages , better organized and have more peoples and templars are heroes in societes when most peoples would gladly burn mages for being mages. Now it depends on Inquisitor.

[Anylon]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I think the Inquisitor will be the one to tip the balance, one way or another. But overall, I think the side that has more support will depend upon who the hero of ferelden and Hawke each supported in the two previous games.

I think it totally depends on how you as inquisitor will act... if you run around helping people they will support your side. I actually think you represent the chantry's position... they name you inquisitor and hope you'll set everything right again, in whichever way you see fit... but that's speculation on my part.
The lyrium Conflict is an interesting topic as well and I see it somehow in a relation to the red templars... since there is red lyrium as well.

I think that the chantry monopol on lyrum gets broken quickly, since Evangeline tells Rys in Asunder she would get mad quite qickly without it but is clear she is not by the end of the book...

[DarthLaxian]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Mages already lose they don't have any chance templars are better trained and well trained to kill mages , better organized and have more peoples and templars are heroes in societes when most peoples would gladly burn mages for being mages. Now it depends on Inquisitor.

i don't agree with you there, templars on the whole might be trained in combat (and magic-suppression - but that only works at close range!) - but then so are mages, and with them having a save-haven that has walls (Andorahls Reach (spelling?)), i would think that the templars can't get in close (and as far as we know, the templars do not have siege engines - and even if the did, magical-shields would probably make them useless - and being set on fire/frozen/blown appart will destroy them)

and mages have a templar with them (meaning they can learn how to fight them - finding out the max. range of the smite-ability)

so it might be a stalemate (why? - because the templars are more in number, but the mages have the advantage of walls, ranged attacks and other offensive and defensive aids...oh, and the templars need to supply their large camp, with food and lyrium of course (if the mages take out those shipments, then they are in big trouble...even more, as i don't think the templars are financially stable (meaning: they no longer have the chantry to pay for the lyrium with the money the believers give it!) and so they would have to get it some other way (robbing people, directly stealing the lyrium etc.))

greetings LAX

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...



Nearly all free mages have resorted to blood magic and have done more harm than what a templar suffering from lyrium withdrawal has,

No they haven't.

If Kirkwall was any indicator...

[mikeymoonshine]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...



Nearly all free mages have resorted to blood magic and have done more harm than what a templar suffering from lyrium withdrawal has,

No they haven't.

If Kirkwall was any indicator...

Laidlaw has said that DA2 was about extremes. There will be blood Mages in Inquisition I am sure but there are many mages who hate blood magic as much as anyone else. 

You have to remember the mages in Kirkwall were kept in a very opressive circle and felt backed into a corner. 

These mages are in a much stronger position. 

[eye basher]

Simple the templars will just use the one weapon they have that the mages can't counter the fear most people in thedas have of mages ''hey look the mages are coming they want another imperium but if you help us we won't let them''.

[Master Warder Z_]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...



Nearly all free mages have resorted to blood magic and have done more harm than what a templar suffering from lyrium withdrawal has,

No they haven't.

If Kirkwall was any indicator...

Laidlaw has said that DA2 was about extremes. There will be blood Mages in Inquisition I am sure but there are many mages who hate blood magic as much as anyone else. 

You have to remember the mages in Kirkwall were kept in a very opressive circle and felt backed into a corner. 

These mages are in a much stronger position. 

They are still fighting a force that at least by Asunder had them outgunned, outmanned and severely had them on regional and tactical support.

This is the Templar Order after all; And while things could have changed in the time between 2 and inquistion i still think Lambert assembled overkill when he called all 13 Templar chapters together.

Thats several thousand men if not more.

[Fuggyt]

Good question. I agree with Anylon, that it will depend on how you decide to play it. But if you watch the trailer, there's the sky opening up and fireballs scything through castles. I suspect the plot of Inquisition may not have as much to do with the Mage-Templar War as we think and more to do with Sandal's prophecy. The Mage-Templar War may be jump street for the story, but I think it may morph into something else partway through. Bioware likes to throw curves.

[mikeymoonshine]

Fuggyt wrote...

Good question. I agree with Anylon, that it will depend on how you decide to play it. But if you watch the trailer, there's the sky opening up and fireballs scything through castles. I suspect the plot of Inquisition may not have as much to do with the Mage-Templar War as we think and more to do with Sandal's prophecy. The Mage-Templar War may be jump street for the story, but I think it may morph into something else partway through. Bioware likes to throw curves.

Well yeah we know it will be about the vael tear but the war will still be going on.