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[mikeymoonshine]

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...




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Laidlaw has said that DA2 was about extremes. There will be blood Mages in Inquisition I am sure but there are many mages who hate blood magic as much as anyone else. 

You have to remember the mages in Kirkwall were kept in a very opressive circle and felt backed into a corner. 

These mages are in a much stronger position. 

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They are still fighting a force that at least by Asunder had them outgunned, outmanned and severely had them on regional and tactical support.

This is the Templar Order after all; And while things could have changed in the time between 2 and inquistion i still think Lambert assembled overkill when he called all 13 Templar chapters together.

Thats several thousand men if not more.



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Hmm Good points but I have a feeling the templars are going to have allot of trouble within there own order. I mean there are going to be "Red Templars" for example. Some templars will support the chantry still, some will not want to kill all the mages and some will even support them. 

I guess the Mages will have the same trouble but I just don't see them as desperate as the Kirkwall mages were. Plus not even all of the kirkwall mages resorted to blood magic we just never met the ones that didn't (other than bethany) 

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote]mikeymoonshine wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...




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Laidlaw has said that DA2 was about extremes. There will be blood Mages in Inquisition I am sure but there are many mages who hate blood magic as much as anyone else. 

You have to remember the mages in Kirkwall were kept in a very opressive circle and felt backed into a corner. 

These mages are in a much stronger position. 

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They are still fighting a force that at least by Asunder had them outgunned, outmanned and severely had them on regional and tactical support.

This is the Templar Order after all; And while things could have changed in the time between 2 and inquistion i still think Lambert assembled overkill when he called all 13 Templar chapters together.

Thats several thousand men if not more.



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Hmm Good points but I have a feeling the templars are going to have allot of trouble within there own order. I mean there are going to be "Red Templars" for example. Some templars will support the chantry still, some will not want to kill all the mages and some will even support them. 

I guess the Mages will have the same trouble but I just don't see them as desperate as the Kirkwall mages were. Plus not even all of the kirkwall mages resorted to blood magic we just never met the ones that didn't (other than bethany) 

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Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Mages already lose they don't have any chance templars are better trained and well trained to kill mages , better organized and have more peoples and templars are heroes in societes when most peoples would gladly burn mages for being mages. Now it depends on Inquisitor.

Wrong. Templars have a major flaw. The need for lyrium. They need lots of finacal support to be supplied with it and the use to be the chantry. Right nowthe themplars don't have much finacal support being they are divided form their finacer. In a long term battle, templar are in the worst standing. They only have the advantage on the short term because the mages  as a group don't know how to fight....But once they do the templars a screwed.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Mages already lose they don't have any chance templars are better trained and well trained to kill mages , better organized and have more peoples and templars are heroes in societes when most peoples would gladly burn mages for being mages. Now it depends on Inquisitor.

Wrong. Templars have a major flaw. The need for lyrium. They need lots of finacal support to be supplied with it and the use to be the chantry. Right nowthe themplars don't have much finacal support being they are divided form their finacer. In a long term battle, templar are in the worst standing. They only have the advantage on the short term because the mages  as a group don't know how to fight....But once they do the templars a screwed.

You love using that "They need Lyrium" Agrument when its pretty damn evident at least some are getting it.

And Mages aren't trained as warriors, they haven't been for centuries unlike the Templars they cannot serve as Soldiers in less then normal situations such as exalted marches and Qunari invasions.

They know little to nothing about the usage of armies, Logistics and tactics.

So i state the Mages are pretty outright screwed it actually comes down to a war merely because they don't have the time to learn what they need to learn.

They won't have an army by the time they actually get around to being able to use it with more sense then a five year old.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

Obviously i am aware of Red Templars?

Hence why i stated they have some division but according to everything i have heard and seen and had people speculate? Those Red Templars are excedingly rare and apparently possibly might not even be hostile if you play your politics right.

When you stare a demon in the eye to learn a type of Magic that uses the life blood of other people to fuel it self or the casters own body that seems pretty shady in the moral spectrum to me. Or worse in my eye learn it from some one who did so who likely would offer severe strings attached.

In fact Bioware stated they intend to make the route of being a Blood Mage in Inquistion a bit more costly and "dark" then in prior games.

And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries.

But that could just BS as you put it.

I doubt it though.

[mikeymoonshine]

"Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point." 



Well that was just an opinion of a fanatic again both Anders and Bethany proved that opinion wrong in the same game.

Anders hated Demons and Bloodmages and Bethany was never interested in Power or using blood magic. 

 If that's not enough for you consider Wynn and Irving? Not all mages want power and some mages would never resort to demons and blood magic. 

From what I am hearing about Inquisition, every other group e'g Templars, Chantry, Circle, Wardens ect are too busy to sort out the veil tear. But also non of them are really strong enough to stand in your way. I think the templars will be in a much worse position by Inquisition. Maybe it will have something to do with red templars.







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[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Mages already lose they don't have any chance templars are better trained and well trained to kill mages , better organized and have more peoples and templars are heroes in societes when most peoples would gladly burn mages for being mages. Now it depends on Inquisitor.

Wrong. Templars have a major flaw. The need for lyrium. They need lots of finacal support to be supplied with it and the use to be the chantry. Right nowthe themplars don't have much finacal support being they are divided form their finacer. In a long term battle, templar are in the worst standing. They only have the advantage on the short term because the mages  as a group don't know how to fight....But once they do the templars a screwed.

You love using that "They need Lyrium" Agrument when its pretty damn evident at least some are getting it.

And Mages aren't trained as warriors, they haven't been for centuries unlike the Templars they cannot serve as Soldiers in less then normal situations such as exalted marches and Qunari invasions.

They know little to nothing about the usage of armies, Logistics and tactics.

So i state the Mages are pretty outright screwed it actually comes down to a war merely because they don't have the time to learn what they need to learn.

They won't have an army by the time they actually get around to being able to use it with more sense then a five year old.

Mages as a mass are not train for war but given time they will be. Countless mages have fought in wars and  battale can train the other.In short some do know about war and can teach others. If one side has each indivisual have the power to take on armies  and the other does not, it's clear who has the advantage. Templars are only strong for limited engament. Say that some are getting Lyrium does not mean Lyrium shortage is not an issue. If a war like this it will be a great one. And leader worth there salt would see the issue of lyrium is a weakness and may go after any suppler with the templars.
It not the mages who a screawed. The templars only have a limited advantage but once the mages get it together, it's over.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

Obviously i am aware of Red Templars?

Hence why i stated they have some division but according to everything i have heard and seen and had people speculate? Those Red Templars are excedingly rare and apparently possibly might not even be hostile if you play your politics right.

When you stare a demon in the eye to learn a type of Magic that uses the life blood of other people to fuel it self or the casters own body that seems pretty shady in the moral spectrum to me. Or worse in my eye learn it from some one who did so who likely would offer severe strings attached.

In fact Bioware stated they intend to make the route of being a Blood Mage in Inquistion a bit more costly and "dark" then in prior games.

And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries.

But that could just BS as you put it.

I doubt it though.

"And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries."

It's not as simple as that. The issue is that the templars abuse that power they have over mages. The templars are to work with,and protect mages. There job is to protect the world form magic, that does not mean they have to  treat mages and prisoners. The templars and mages ashould be working together and both side have done things to divide that trust. If templars weren't blinded by the need of authority and mages not driven by the fear of Paranoia then there would be no war.

In short both sides poured oil in the fire.

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote]mikeymoonshine wrote...



"Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point." 



Well that was just an opinion of a fanatic again both Anders and Bethany proved that opinion wrong in the same game.

Anders hated Demons and Bloodmages and Bethany was never interested in Power or using blood magic. 

 If that's not enough for you consider Wynn and Irving? Not all mages want power and some mages would never resort to demons and blood magic. 

From what I am hearing about Inquisition, every other group e'g Templars, Chantry, Circle, Wardens ect are too busy to sort out the veil tear. But also non of them are really strong enough to stand in your way. I think the templars will be in a much worse position by Inquisition. Maybe it will have something to do with red templars.

You never know; They could be in a much worse position or a much stronger one.

You could have National Nobility backing them in Fereldan if Alistair is on the throne given his prior ties to the Chantry and Templar Order. You could see centuries of public support and approval erode under the Mages plea's for freedom.

Like Bioware stated they are basing this on the French Revolution to some degree.

You could see what i suspect but in truth its mere speculation if historically based speculation.

As in the Mages winning freedom much like the masses of the revolution for people to then remember why exactly the Chantry and Templars existed in the first place.

That said its only an allegory view of a situation bioware stated they were using for direction as we all know the Leadership after Luis wasn't much better and in fact was many times worse.

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

Obviously i am aware of Red Templars?

Hence why i stated they have some division but according to everything i have heard and seen and had people speculate? Those Red Templars are excedingly rare and apparently possibly might not even be hostile if you play your politics right.

When you stare a demon in the eye to learn a type of Magic that uses the life blood of other people to fuel it self or the casters own body that seems pretty shady in the moral spectrum to me. Or worse in my eye learn it from some one who did so who likely would offer severe strings attached.

In fact Bioware stated they intend to make the route of being a Blood Mage in Inquistion a bit more costly and "dark" then in prior games.

And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries.

But that could just BS as you put it.

I doubt it though.

"And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries."

It's not as simple as that. The issue is that the templars abuse that power they have over mages. The templars are to work with,and protect mages. There job is to protect the world form magic, that does not mean they have to  treat mages and prisoners. The templars and mages ashould be working together and both side have done things to divide that trust. If templars weren't blinded by the need of authority and mages not driven by the fear of Paranoia then there would be no war.

In short both sides poured oil in the fire.

Doesn't change the fact that only one is draining the blood away from innocents to fight it.

Defending Blood Magic to me is folly.

[leaguer of one]

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]mikeymoonshine wrote...



"Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point." 



Well that was just an opinion of a fanatic again both Anders and Bethany proved that opinion wrong in the same game.

Anders hated Demons and Bloodmages and Bethany was never interested in Power or using blood magic. 

 If that's not enough for you consider Wynn and Irving? Not all mages want power and some mages would never resort to demons and blood magic. 

From what I am hearing about Inquisition, every other group e'g Templars, Chantry, Circle, Wardens ect are too busy to sort out the veil tear. But also non of them are really strong enough to stand in your way. I think the templars will be in a much worse position by Inquisition. Maybe it will have something to do with red templars.

You never know; They could be in a much worse position or a much stronger one.

You could have National Nobility backing them in Fereldan if Alistair is on the throne given his prior ties to the Chantry and Templar Order. You could see centuries of public support and approval erode under the Mages plea's for freedom.

Like Bioware stated they are basing this on the French Revolution to some degree.

You could see what i suspect but in truth its mere speculation if historically based speculation.

As in the Mages winning freedom much like the masses of the revolution for people to then remember why exactly the Chantry and Templars existed in the first place.

That said its only an allegory view of a situation bioware stated they were using for direction as we all know the Leadership after Luis wasn't much better and in fact was many times worse.

[/quote]^fix this.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

Obviously i am aware of Red Templars?

Hence why i stated they have some division but according to everything i have heard and seen and had people speculate? Those Red Templars are excedingly rare and apparently possibly might not even be hostile if you play your politics right.

When you stare a demon in the eye to learn a type of Magic that uses the life blood of other people to fuel it self or the casters own body that seems pretty shady in the moral spectrum to me. Or worse in my eye learn it from some one who did so who likely would offer severe strings attached.

In fact Bioware stated they intend to make the route of being a Blood Mage in Inquistion a bit more costly and "dark" then in prior games.

And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries.

But that could just BS as you put it.

I doubt it though.

"And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries."

It's not as simple as that. The issue is that the templars abuse that power they have over mages. The templars are to work with,and protect mages. There job is to protect the world form magic, that does not mean they have to  treat mages and prisoners. The templars and mages ashould be working together and both side have done things to divide that trust. If templars weren't blinded by the need of authority and mages not driven by the fear of Paranoia then there would be no war.

In short both sides poured oil in the fire.

Doesn't change the fact that only one is draining the blood away from innocents to fight it.

Defending Blood Magic to me is folly.

Really, do you have a tally of which mages are doing that?
Added, it's not like the red templars are no attacking and destroyin innocent villages and towns.
And I'm not defending blood magic, I'm saying while it's inheritly dangerous it's not inheritly evil.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 15 septembre 2013 - 03:21 .

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

Obviously i am aware of Red Templars?

Hence why i stated they have some division but according to everything i have heard and seen and had people speculate? Those Red Templars are excedingly rare and apparently possibly might not even be hostile if you play your politics right.

When you stare a demon in the eye to learn a type of Magic that uses the life blood of other people to fuel it self or the casters own body that seems pretty shady in the moral spectrum to me. Or worse in my eye learn it from some one who did so who likely would offer severe strings attached.

In fact Bioware stated they intend to make the route of being a Blood Mage in Inquistion a bit more costly and "dark" then in prior games.

And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries.

But that could just BS as you put it.

I doubt it though.

"And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries."

It's not as simple as that. The issue is that the templars abuse that power they have over mages. The templars are to work with,and protect mages. There job is to protect the world form magic, that does not mean they have to  treat mages and prisoners. The templars and mages ashould be working together and both side have done things to divide that trust. If templars weren't blinded by the need of authority and mages not driven by the fear of Paranoia then there would be no war.

In short both sides poured oil in the fire.

Doesn't change the fact that only one is draining the blood away from innocents to fight it.

Defending Blood Magic to me is folly.

Really, do you have a tally of which mages are doing that?
Added, it's not like the red templars are no attacking and destroyin innocent villages and towns.

And considering in this case you have people corrupted by an unknown form of Magic it wouldn't exactly be their choice now would it?

You have to agree to be a Blood Mage.

We have no clue how Red Templars are made.

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote]leaguer of one wrote...

[quote]Master Warder Z wrote...

[quote]mikeymoonshine wrote...



"Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point." 



Well that was just an opinion of a fanatic again both Anders and Bethany proved that opinion wrong in the same game.

Anders hated Demons and Bloodmages and Bethany was never interested in Power or using blood magic. 

 If that's not enough for you consider Wynn and Irving? Not all mages want power and some mages would never resort to demons and blood magic. 

From what I am hearing about Inquisition, every other group e'g Templars, Chantry, Circle, Wardens ect are too busy to sort out the veil tear. But also non of them are really strong enough to stand in your way. I think the templars will be in a much worse position by Inquisition. Maybe it will have something to do with red templars.

You never know; They could be in a much worse position or a much stronger one.

You could have National Nobility backing them in Fereldan if Alistair is on the throne given his prior ties to the Chantry and Templar Order. You could see centuries of public support and approval erode under the Mages plea's for freedom.

Like Bioware stated they are basing this on the French Revolution to some degree.

You could see what i suspect but in truth its mere speculation if historically based speculation.

As in the Mages winning freedom much like the masses of the revolution for people to then remember why exactly the Chantry and Templars existed in the first place.

That said its only an allegory view of a situation bioware stated they were using for direction as we all know the Leadership after Luis wasn't much better and in fact was many times worse.

[/quote]^fix this.
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Are you just spamming for the sake of it now?

It wasn't even a reply directed to you.

If you wish to respond then do so.

But do not agrue with me over formating to a response that was not even going to you.

[MisterMonkeyBanana]

I imagine the popular image of the templar-mage war would be "I hate both of them! The templars butchered all my cows and the mages burnt my crops, I've got nothing left and winter is coming."

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

Obviously i am aware of Red Templars?

Hence why i stated they have some division but according to everything i have heard and seen and had people speculate? Those Red Templars are excedingly rare and apparently possibly might not even be hostile if you play your politics right.

When you stare a demon in the eye to learn a type of Magic that uses the life blood of other people to fuel it self or the casters own body that seems pretty shady in the moral spectrum to me. Or worse in my eye learn it from some one who did so who likely would offer severe strings attached.

In fact Bioware stated they intend to make the route of being a Blood Mage in Inquistion a bit more costly and "dark" then in prior games.

And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries.

But that could just BS as you put it.

I doubt it though.

"And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries."

It's not as simple as that. The issue is that the templars abuse that power they have over mages. The templars are to work with,and protect mages. There job is to protect the world form magic, that does not mean they have to  treat mages and prisoners. The templars and mages ashould be working together and both side have done things to divide that trust. If templars weren't blinded by the need of authority and mages not driven by the fear of Paranoia then there would be no war.

In short both sides poured oil in the fire.

Doesn't change the fact that only one is draining the blood away from innocents to fight it.

Defending Blood Magic to me is folly.

Really, do you have a tally of which mages are doing that?
Added, it's not like the red templars are no attacking and destroyin innocent villages and towns.

And considering in this case you have people corrupted by an unknown form of Magic it wouldn't exactly be their choice now would it?

You have to agree to be a Blood Mage.

We have no clue how Red Templars are made.

1.Abomination attack mages as well so I would thin mages would try to limit that.

2.True, you have to agree to be a blood mage. Not every mages agrees to.
3. Yes we can easily guess being that the sorce is red lyrium from DA2 which made the first person to use it go crazy. And last time I checked you have to agree to be a templar.

[leaguer of one]

MisterMonkeyBanana wrote...

I imagine the popular image of the templar-mage war would be "I hate both of them! The templars butchered all my cows and the mages burnt my crops, I've got nothing left and winter is coming."

"I'm tried of both mages and templars."
-Varric

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



Fenris i think stated it best.

"Mages always find a need for power."

Raising the Dead, summoning Demons and using forbidden and unholy magic? Its just their method of Freedom! Or so some nut like Anders would state.

That said i have no doubt the Order will have some division we just have no clue how large it will be and i have a feeling considering what has happened in several circles you will have mages just surrendering themselves to the Templars rather then being executed for merely being around the rebels.

All in all i think we all know who we will draw our swords for by this point.

Bs. For one a type of magic is not evil, it how it used. And not every mage will turn to blood magic. If fact you can say that the templars that are forcing them to a corner is forcing there hand.
If anything both sides are at fault for this. And did you forget about the red templars?

Obviously i am aware of Red Templars?

Hence why i stated they have some division but according to everything i have heard and seen and had people speculate? Those Red Templars are excedingly rare and apparently possibly might not even be hostile if you play your politics right.

When you stare a demon in the eye to learn a type of Magic that uses the life blood of other people to fuel it self or the casters own body that seems pretty shady in the moral spectrum to me. Or worse in my eye learn it from some one who did so who likely would offer severe strings attached.

In fact Bioware stated they intend to make the route of being a Blood Mage in Inquistion a bit more costly and "dark" then in prior games.

And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries.

But that could just BS as you put it.

I doubt it though.

"And when the Templars are doing their Maker given duty to watch over Magic for the sake of Humanity i think mages can swallow a bit of pride and accept being their charges; Not sell their soul to Fade Luficer for the ability to turn innocent people into Mana batteries."

It's not as simple as that. The issue is that the templars abuse that power they have over mages. The templars are to work with,and protect mages. There job is to protect the world form magic, that does not mean they have to  treat mages and prisoners. The templars and mages ashould be working together and both side have done things to divide that trust. If templars weren't blinded by the need of authority and mages not driven by the fear of Paranoia then there would be no war.

In short both sides poured oil in the fire.

Doesn't change the fact that only one is draining the blood away from innocents to fight it.

Defending Blood Magic to me is folly.

Really, do you have a tally of which mages are doing that?
Added, it's not like the red templars are no attacking and destroyin innocent villages and towns.

And considering in this case you have people corrupted by an unknown form of Magic it wouldn't exactly be their choice now would it?

You have to agree to be a Blood Mage.

We have no clue how Red Templars are made.

1.Abomination attack mages as well so I would thin mages would try to limit that.

2.True, you have to agree to be a blood mage. Not every mages agrees to.
3. Yes we can easily guess being that the sorce is red lyrium from DA2 which made the first person to use it go crazy. And last time I checked you have to agree to be a templar.

If some one handed you a magical arififact that enchanced your abilities tenfold and said nothing else of  it what would you do in the middle of a war? Your comparing selling your soul to a demon to stumbling on to Lyrium.

Even if they did purposefully do that to themselves its only because the Mages forced their hand to this extent.

So your speculation and agrument is both flawed and inherently pro mage to an extreme.

I should call you Anders Mark two.

[Master Warder Z_]

MisterMonkeyBanana wrote...

I imagine the popular image of the templar-mage war would be "I hate both of them! The templars butchered all my cows and the mages burnt my crops, I've got nothing left and winter is coming."

That does seem humrous and ever so likely.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...



If some one handed you a magical arififact that enchanced your abilities tenfold and said nothing else of  it what would you do in the middle of a war? Your comparing selling your soul to a demon to stumbling on to Lyrium.

Even if they did purposefully do that to themselves its only because the Mages forced their hand to this extent.

So your speculation and agrument is both flawed and inherently pro mage to an extreme.

I should call you Anders Mark two.

With blood magic you don't sell your soul to a demon. And with the red templars, the mages did not force there hand, they force the mages hands. They were given orders by the divin herself to stand down and did not listen. The only reason it got to war is because the templar pushed their authority too far. Remamber, the first person to use red lyrium went mad. That's better then blood magic?

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



If some one handed you a magical arififact that enchanced your abilities tenfold and said nothing else of  it what would you do in the middle of a war? Your comparing selling your soul to a demon to stumbling on to Lyrium.

Even if they did purposefully do that to themselves its only because the Mages forced their hand to this extent.

So your speculation and agrument is both flawed and inherently pro mage to an extreme.

I should call you Anders Mark two.

With blood magic you don't sell your soul to a demon. And with the red templars, the mages did not force there hand, they force the mages hands. They were given orders by the divin herself to stand down and did not listen. The only reason it got to war is because the templar pushed their authority too far. Remamber, the first person to use red lyrium went mad. That's better then blood magic?

You stare a demon in the eye and strike a bargin: Signed and sealed as it were by some agreement.

Foothold into the Mages brain is what it acheives, you sell your will and body to them. You are inviting them into yourself by doing so and thus risking everything including your soul.

Templars use Lyium in daily does to maintain their abilities to keep them viglant and strong.

That was an unknown and still very murky varient.

Why would the Knight Commander be concerned over something she had used for over thirty Years?

Honestly do a BIT of backstory searching before doing blind and ignorant judgements.

So i do think that unless if a Red Templar knew what they were signing up for which seems highly unlikely to me you have some one giving them goods they are unaware of what they will do.

And the Divine went beyond herself in her allowing the rebel mages to escape; She is incapable of her position and much like the Empress must be replaced because certain stances cannot be allowed in this age. You state the Mages were pushed? Kirkwall only occured because the Mages were stubborn, stupid and one moronic terrorist former Warden pushed things.

Kirkwall had a lousy reputation for decades before the events of DA2 and you think that all lays upon the Templars? I found that notion laughable.

As i said do a bit of digging before commitmenting yourself to stating something; Kirkwall always had a higher population of possesions and blood magic usage then most circles even within the Freemarches.

And why that is? Because the Veil is far thinner there.

[Hazegurl]

Emotionally=Mages
Logically=Templars

Otherwise it will be totally up to the PC on who gets support.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hazegurl wrote...

Emotionally=Mages
Logically=Templars

Otherwise it will be totally up to the PC on who gets support.

It usually does in Dragon Age.

Its just i have a feeling that many more will support the Robes then the protectors of normal people from the Tyranny of magic.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...



If some one handed you a magical arififact that enchanced your abilities tenfold and said nothing else of  it what would you do in the middle of a war? Your comparing selling your soul to a demon to stumbling on to Lyrium.

Even if they did purposefully do that to themselves its only because the Mages forced their hand to this extent.

So your speculation and agrument is both flawed and inherently pro mage to an extreme.

I should call you Anders Mark two.

With blood magic you don't sell your soul to a demon. And with the red templars, the mages did not force there hand, they force the mages hands. They were given orders by the divin herself to stand down and did not listen. The only reason it got to war is because the templar pushed their authority too far. Remamber, the first person to use red lyrium went mad. That's better then blood magic?

You stare a demon in the eye and strike a bargin: Signed and sealed as it were by some agreement.

Foothold into the Mages brain is what it acheives, you sell your will and body to them. You are inviting them into yourself by doing so and thus risking everything including your soul.

Templars use Lyium in daily does to maintain their abilities to keep them viglant and strong.

That was an unknown and still very murky varient.

Why would the Knight Commander be concerned over something she had used for over thirty Years?

Honestly do a BIT of backstory searching before doing blind and ignorant judgements.

So i do think that unless if a Red Templar knew what they were signing up for which seems highly unlikely to me you have some one giving them goods they are unaware of what they will do.

And the Divine went beyond herself in her allowing the rebel mages to escape; She is incapable of her position and much like the Empress must be replaced because certain stances cannot be allowed in this age. You state the Mages were pushed? Kirkwall only occured because the Mages were stubborn, stupid and one moronic terrorist former Warden pushed things.

Kirkwall had a lousy reputation for decades before the events of DA2 and you think that all lays upon the Templars? I found that notion laughable.

As i said do a bit of digging before commitmenting yourself to stating something; Kirkwall always had a higher population of possesions and blood magic usage then most circles even within the Freemarches.

And why that is? Because the Veil is far thinner there.

You don't sell your will ether. There is a bargin an it differs from demon to demon. Heck, in da:o you learn blood magic by sparing a demon and letting her have a mage child later.
The issue is the your risking becoming a meal for a demon but that clearly can be avoided seeing that there so many blood mages in tevintor.
And red lyrium is different then normal lyrium. Any templar that hear of the battle of kirkwall would know the issues of red lyrium. That how it was first known to templars.

And the Divine tried to help the mages becuse she knew how valueble mages are, which added to may point that if a divine can see this, even the nobility can. The templars are too blinded by authority to see this.

And Kirkwal did not happen because of the mages. Even the templars were calling Meredith crazy and aposing her. It happen becaue both sides were paraniod of the other. Mage though templar were out to get them and the templars thought blood mages were everywhere.

And just because kirkwall had the most abombination does not mean every mage is going to turn to one at a drop of a hat.