182 réponses à ce sujet

[MisterJB]

Of course, it doesn't actually matter what sides requires lyrium more. If one side of the Civil War supports the mages, the other has no choice but to support the Templars in which case the Order suddenly has a wealthy patron that can satisfy all their needs, lyrium included.

[leaguer of one]

billy the squid wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

billy the squid wrote...


Haha, yeah every small town or city with is going to challenge a battalion of heavily armed and armoured, combat trained fanatics? Not even the feudal nobles are going to try and pick a fight with the Templars without significant support.

The common populace, pfffft. The common populace cares for safety, a place to sleep, a roof over their head and a full belly. The Chantry excommunicating the Templars effectively leads to diddly squat, when the Chantry can't enforce their edicts. 

It was exactly the same in Medieval Europe, excommunication was a sanction that allowed any other Catholic Lord or Kingdom to invade and conquer that kingdom. But as Frederick Barbarossa of the Holy Roman Empire showed, by establishing another priest as Pope after he refused to acknowledge the previous Pope, that Excommunication means nothing if no one is willing to actually do anything about it.

If anything the Templars are the guards of each chantry, the donations by the populace now go direct to the Templars now, the Priests become puppets, and so long as the Templars don't attempt a coup d'ete a vs the Nobility in the area, they're left well enough alone. Frankly if you have a degeneration of order and law in the provinces with the civil war, the Templar presence is going to be seen as benefitial by the commoners. 

As to the Lyrium supply, what is going to stop the Templars going directly to the Dwarves? Who's going to stop them? The dwarves don't give a damn, they're still getting paid. And it's almost certain that the Templars are going to be hiring out their services to Nobles as mercanaries for pay, grants of land and rights of taxation now they're no longer associated with the Chantry. There's nothing stopping them becoming involved in politics and the presence of thousands of heavily armed, armoured and well trianed soldiers is a huge boon to any Noble who has the money and influence to make a power play. 

Military might effectively carved out the kingdoms of Medieval Europe, which the Templars have.

1."If anything the Templars are the guards of each chantry, the donations by the populace now go direct to the Templars now, the Priests become puppets, and so long as the Templars don't attempt a coup d'ete a vs the Nobility in the area, they're left well enough alone. Frankly if you have a degeneration of order and law in the provinces with the civil war, the Templar presence is going to be seen as benefitial by the commoners. "

The templars are not guards of the chantry but of mages. They are not part of common day thedas. They many have a fighing force but it's the local lords who have more foces. If the templars challenge the noblity they will lose being that the nobility have more fighting men. The nobility have not allegance to the templars. Add you missing one key thing. The templears are divided with in themselves. There at least 4 factions of templars: pro-chantry, renadage templars, pro-circle/mages templars, and red templars.  We have 4 sides of templars fighting each other and the mages. It's not straight templars vs mages.

2."As to the Lyrium supply, what is going to stop the Templars going directly to the Dwarves? Who's going to stop them? The dwarves don't give a damn, they're still getting paid. And it's almost certain that the Templars are going to be hiring out their services to Nobles as mercanaries for pay, grants of land and rights of taxation now they're no longer associated with the Chantry. There's nothing stopping them becoming involved in politics and the presence of thousands of heavily armed, armoured and well trianed soldiers is a huge boon to any Noble who has the money and influence to make a power play. "

The issue here is not supply it's demand. Many sides are going to want lyrium in this war. The dwarves don't care who buys it but they do care how much some one pays for it. The main chantry has the most money and simple buy up all the lyrium added the price of lyrium is going to jump up simple because it's a need resource for this war and the dwarves want to make as much mony as they can. The issue will be how long can the rogue templars afford to buy lyrium, not if they can buy it. One can say via donation but that neve is a stable form of currency for a divided force. It work with the chantry because the donation are going to one place. With the templar you have multiple factions asking for it. They will no get anywhere near the ammount the chantry would of got.

"Military might effectively carved out the kingdoms of Medieval Europe, which the Templars have."

No they don't because that have no where near the fighting men the nobility have.

You saw them repeatedly in DA2 and DAO, the Templars were the militant arm of the Chantry, deployed in the Exalted Marches, protection of the Chantry and guarding the Circles. Where ever there is a Chantry presence on any noticable scale, Templars are present to enforce the Chantry's will. Now they broke from the Chantry, they have effective control over any area they are present in, with enough numbers.

The nobility do not have the numbers to go toe to toe with the Templars, feudal knights were incredibly expensive to maintain and equip, which is why grants of land were given to minor nobility by their feudal overlords so they could maintain themselves. The Templars were recruited, maintained, equiped and trained by the Chantry. They are in effect Knights who function as mercinaries. They are not bound by the economic limitations of the Feudal system, which limited the numbers of medieval knights. Or do you think a peasant rabble levied by the Feudal Lord is going to match a company of Templars?

Is there any indication that the Templars are more divided than Those who have aligned with the Chantry and those which have split? Because this is simple supposition, even if the Red Templars are a splinter faction, they are fanatics of the existing faction of Templars which has split from the Chantry. Do you have any indication how many Templars have sceded from the Chanrty? Even if it's only a third, considering their presence in every nation in Thedas, that still amounts to thousands of Templars, all heavily armoured and well trained soldiers, mobilizing. Something no individual nation is going to combat without a massive amount of bloodshed. And considering the Orlesians are falling into Civil War, there's nothing to stop the Templars from simply walking into the Free Cities and taking one as a base, just as they did in Kirkwall, where they were in defacto control.

The Chantry has money because it enforces it's edicts and tithes through Templar authority. What happens when the Templars simply stop enforcing it on behalf of the Chantry and take it for themselves? There's this magical idea that the Chantry can do anything by simple authority. It can't. Just like the Roman Catholic Church in Medieval Europe, with no military arm, the Chantry is utterly powerless. It's cripplingly obvious and it was shown in the episodes of Frederik Babarossa, Charles V of France, Phillip II of Spain, Henry VIII, all of them either disregarded or outright invaded the Papal decree and states. And the Church couldn't do a damn thing. The Chantry is in exactly the same situation, it's power and authority was bassed on the Templar's military might. That's gone.

And as I already explained, why would the Templars ever rely on donations, when they are easily capable of establishing themselves as brutally effective mercinaries, earining money, tax rights, taking tithes, grants of land or simply taking control of areas by force. The accords were the only thing keeping the Templars on a leash and stopping them entering politics through force of arms.

There's no reason they won't do it now, and become a political force rivaling anything the other nations of Thedas can muster. This is precisely what the Teutonic Order did, and they remained very powerful for 200 years

Yes the noblity do. The templars may be the military arm of the charatry , they are not as great a number as you think. They are just used to gurad mages normal and left to a limited number. At times of marches all of the military arms of thedas is call not just the Templars. The chantry is powerful because they can bring the faithful to arm not beause they have the templars. The templars are not that great of a military force. They never were.
If you still don't get it.. Read this....http://dragonage.wik...Exalted_Marches

And for the divided faction of templars, yes I know they are many that left. But even the when I stated that I was not counting the prochantry templars alone. We have: pro cirle/mage, red templars and renaged templars. They all are fighting each other. The templars are not fighting in one force. As long as it's like that they will not be the milityar force you think it is or can be.

"And as I already explained, why would the Templars ever rely on donations, when they are easily capable of establishing themselves as brutally effective mercinaries, earining money, tax rights, taking tithes, grants of land or simply taking control of areas by force. The accords were the only thing keeping the Templars on a leash and stopping them entering politics through force of arms. "
You're missing the fact here the mages can do the same and are more need. They can do this to get employed by a nation.
The templars are a money sink because of the need of lyrium. Added, one army can give the mages the support to keep the templars at bay. Siding with the templars is just adding a new drain of resorces because of the need of lyrium.
The normal soldier want to win will over stay there fear of magic just like Logian was willing to side with blood mages in DAO.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

Of course, it doesn't actually matter what sides requires lyrium more. If one side of the Civil War supports the mages, the other has no choice but to support the Templars in which case the Order suddenly has a wealthy patron that can satisfy all their needs, lyrium included.

Of course it matter who need it more. It will drive the price of lyrium up more and make it harder to get. Who ever need the lyrium more will face a major resource drain. Even with someone helping it still a major drian to resource.
Saying this is like say in wars of todays wars it matter not who need oil more.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Sure they have been templars in chantries but not in large numbers. Remember the stay mostly in the circle. Some staying in the chantry does not mean most of the do in great number. 

There are no longer Circles to guard. If the templars see that stationing half a hundred men at every Chantry is the best way to earn money to pay for Lyrium, that's just what they'll do.
 

And if you not got it, the templars are divided with in themselves. They are not fighting as one force. They are divided to at least 4 factions.

First of all, you are assuming the Templars are divided which has not been confirmed.
Second, if the templars are divided, the mages are even more. Libertarians, Resolutionists, Aequitarians, Lucrosians, Isolationists, Loyalists.
Plus, even divided, Templars are likely to have far greater numbers than any other group in Thedas.

The same can be said for the mages. Countries have a histor of emplying mages in times of war. In the fereldin uprisin orlais sent a mount of mages to help the retainer. The help turn the tide of marches. Even in the 5th blight they were need for the war way more then the templars. Orlais is in a middle of a civil war and the leader need an advantage as much as possible. They have a choice between group which an indivisal can take out groups and heal groups or  a group that's only advantage can resist magic and turn it off but is so dependent of lyrium that in a month they are useless.... You think a leader will side with the templars who are money sinks over a group that can turn the battle in their favor.

Sorrybut it's easy to see who gets the support.

See my response. Mages can be more useful than Templars against enemies that are not Templars or demons. But if, say, Gaspard employs the mages, Celene will just employ the Templars.
Oh, and Templars are also more useful against demons since they can dispell their mana as easily as a mage's and some demons are immune to magic and can't be possessed.

And while Templars may need lyrium more than mages in normal circunstance, mages actively need to drink potions of it whenever they figh prolonged battles whereas the Templars just have to drink it once in a month. Thus, mantaining the Templars would actually be less expensive than doing the same for the mages.

1. "There are no longer Circles to guard. If the templars see that stationing half a hundred men at every Chantry is the best way to earn money to pay for Lyrium, that's just what they'll do."

But even then they are not fighting a s a united force.

2.'First of all, you are assuming the Templars are divided which has not been confirmed.
Second, if the templars are divided, the mages are even more. Libertarians, Resolutionists, Aequitarians, Lucrosians, Isolationists, Loyalists.
Plus, even divided, Templars are likely to have far greater numbers than any other group in Thedas."

Sorry, the moment red templars came up prove they are divided. It's undeniaple now. The were divided form DA2.

3.'See my response. Mages can be more useful than Templars against enemies that are not Templars or demons. But if, say, Gaspard employs the mages, Celene will just employ the Templars. 
Oh, and Templars are also more useful against demons since they can dispell their mana as easily as a mage's and some demons are immune to magic and can't be possessed."

You do understand the templars have to close to mages for their powers to work on them. A mage  getting help for an army of fighters means it's harder for the templars to get close to them to use there powers. WHo ever has has the mages of there side has the advantage. Templars may be anti magic but that still have the disadvatage to having to get close to be effective.

4."And while Templars may need lyrium more than mages in normal circunstance, mages actively need to drink potions of it whenever they figh prolonged battles whereas the Templars just have to drink it once in a month. Thus, mantaining the Templars would actually be less expensive than doing the same for the mages."

Mages don't need to drink lyrium to restore magic. There is an entire branch of spirit magic dealing with restoring magic with out lyrium.

[pmac_tk421]

Most major institutions would probably side with the Templars at first since they represent order and few rulers would risk an exalted march on their own lands. They'll either give the Templars support or just stay neutral. From the look of that demo however the Templars like marauding death squads. Some nobles would probably be pissed if they had a violent band of vigilantes killing at will. Also seeing as the Templars are no longer officially part of the chantry, some countries may support the mages if enough support builds for the mages and they have something to directly gain from it.

[leaguer of one]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

Most major institutions would probably side with the Templars at first since they represent order and few rulers would risk an exalted march on their own lands. They'll either give the Templars support or just stay neutral. From the look of that demo however the Templars like marauding death squads. Some nobles would probably be pissed if they had a violent band of vigilantes killing at will. Also seeing as the Templars are no longer officially part of the chantry, some countries may support the mages if enough support builds for the mages and they have something to directly gain from it.

The chantry and templars at too divided for an exalted marchh to be called. The fear of a march is off the table. Added the templars are par t of that disorder.

[Lord Raijin]

The mages will because the Chantry has bullied the mages for far too long, and they are the ones that initiated the Templar vs Mages war by spreading their bigotry around to the gullible.

Mages has been the Chantry's prisoner for far too long.

[DKJaigen]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

Most major institutions would probably side with the Templars at first since they represent order and few rulers would risk an exalted march on their own lands. They'll either give the Templars support or just stay neutral. From the look of that demo however the Templars like marauding death squads. Some nobles would probably be pissed if they had a violent band of vigilantes killing at will. Also seeing as the Templars are no longer officially part of the chantry, some countries may support the mages if enough support builds for the mages and they have something to directly gain from it.

Neither side will have much support. I dont think some people realise what kind of politcal blunder the templars have made. Thery have instigated a war against another group without any diplomatic actions and betrayed their own masters in the chantry. The orlesian nobility will see them as loose cannons or even traitors they will be at best disbanded or hanged when the orlesians will get their act together.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

The mages will because the Chantry has bullied the mages for far too long, and they are the ones that initiated the Templar vs Mages war by spreading their bigotry around to the gullible.

Mages has been the Chantry's prisoner for far too long.

yey lets mages bully non-mages instead oh wait;)

someone has to lose that someone could win.

And i don't say that templars are justified because if they are mages are as well that they fight for their freedom but winner will try promote their ideals which in dark and cynical world quickly will crumble templar should defend mages but we know how far it is from reality and mages and non-mages coexisting will fall also in reality. Stronger will win and somone will suffer when winners will use justifications.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 16 septembre 2013 - 07:30 .

[MisterJB]

leaguer of one wrote...

Sorry, the moment red templars came up prove they are divided. It's undeniaple now. The were divided form DA2.

As far as we know, the Red Templars could be from Tevinter.
Regardless, their enemies are just as divided and being divided doesn't necessarely mean Templars will fight against each or even that the numbers of these supposedly Templard factions won't, even alone, outnumber and outmatch any other army out there.

You do understand the templars have to close to mages for their powers to work on them. A mage  getting help for an army of fighters means it's harder for the templars to get close to them to use there powers. WHo ever has has the mages of there side has the advantage. Templars may be anti magic but that still have the disadvatage to having to get close to be effective.

The templars will also have armies on their side. All things being equal, templars simply have the advantage over mages due to numbers of trained figthers and dispelling abilities.

Mages don't need to drink lyrium to restore magic. There is an entire branch of spirit magic dealing with restoring magic with out lyrium.

The Spirit school is centered around fighting other mages, not Templars. If the mages start using mana drain on each other, they'll be crippling their own forces. Plus, users of this school are a minority.

Bottom line, in a month, a templar will use one lyrium potion. If a mage doesn't have to fight, s/he can spend the whole month without using lyrium. But, if the mages if forced to fight, as they will be in this war, they can use ten or more potions during a battle.

[ThreeGemSheepy]

[quote]leaguer of one wrote...

[quote]MisterJB wrote...


4."And while Templars may need lyrium more than mages in normal circunstance, mages actively need to drink potions of it whenever they figh prolonged battles whereas the Templars just have to drink it once in a month. Thus, mantaining the Templars would actually be less expensive than doing the same for the mages."

Mages don't need to drink lyrium to restore magic. There is an entire branch of spirit magic dealing with restoring magic with out lyrium.
[/quote]

I could've sworn asunder said something about mages actually dying if they came into physical contact with lyrium.

[MisterJB]

leaguer of one wrote...
Of course it matter who need it more. It will drive the price of lyrium up more and make it harder to get. Who ever need the lyrium more will face a major resource drain. Even with someone helping it still a major drian to resource.
Saying this is like say in wars of todays wars it matter not who need oil more.

I mean that it doesn't matter regarding the decision to support the Templars. If one side employs mages, then the other has no choice but to emply templars regardless of how much lyrium they spend.
Of course, this will have consequences altough I think you are overstimating the necessity of lyrium. It's certainly not comparable to oil.

[DKJaigen]

[quote]ThreeGemSheepy wrote...

[quote]leaguer of one wrote...

[quote]MisterJB wrote...


4."And while Templars may need lyrium more than mages in normal circunstance, mages actively need to drink potions of it whenever they figh prolonged battles whereas the Templars just have to drink it once in a month. Thus, mantaining the Templars would actually be less expensive than doing the same for the mages."

Mages don't need to drink lyrium to restore magic. There is an entire branch of spirit magic dealing with restoring magic with out lyrium.
[/quote]

I could've sworn asunder said something about mages actually dying if they came into physical contact with lyrium.[/quote]

only raw lyrium. the refined lyrium potions can be consumed

[Reaverwind]

simfamSP wrote...

I would have said the Templars, but since they withdrew from the Chantry, I question if the common folk will call them heathens. Actually, the whole withdrawing from the Chantry sounds like a huge blow to their own finances. Who will pay for their war? Unless the Templars have private funding, or are like the RL Knights Templar and thus are super duper rich.

It's more likely the Templars will ****** off the locals with their arrogance. While the peasants are no match for them in a fight, they can certainly sabotage supply lines, etc.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Of course it matter who need it more. It will drive the price of lyrium up more and make it harder to get. Who ever need the lyrium more will face a major resource drain. Even with someone helping it still a major drian to resource.
Saying this is like say in wars of todays wars it matter not who need oil more.

I mean that it doesn't matter regarding the decision to support the Templars. If one side employs mages, then the other has no choice but to emply templars regardless of how much lyrium they spend.
Of course, this will have consequences altough I think you are overstimating the necessity of lyrium. It's certainly not comparable to oil.

It's not an over estamation. In this war it is like oil. Both sided need it and even then the templars need it even more. They literly can't founction with out it. Fact that both the templars and mages need it makes it like oil. And that is the templars biggest problem.

[Lord Raijin]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

The mages will because the Chantry has bullied the mages for far too long, and they are the ones that initiated the Templar vs Mages war by spreading their bigotry around to the gullible.

Mages has been the Chantry's prisoner for far too long.

yey lets mages bully non-mages instead oh wait;)

someone has to lose that someone could win.

And i don't say that templars are justified because if they are mages are as well that they fight for their freedom but winner will try promote their ideals which in dark and cynical world quickly will crumble templar should defend mages but we know how far it is from reality and mages and non-mages coexisting will fall also in reality. Stronger will win and somone will suffer when winners will use justifications.

I don't want mages to start bulling non-mages. The Chantry has indoctrinated people to fear mages, and this is why people are so afraid of them. Perhabs people will start waking up and realizing that the Chantry that they once thought protected them was actually harming them with their lies.

Some parents with mage children actually start hating their own blood because that is what the Chantry teaches, and so they abandon their child at the chantry where they're sent to their chantry run jails.

Like what Hawke said in Dragon Age 2 "Forcing mages into servitude is not the way to prevent the rise of another Imperium"

[Medhia Nox]

@Lord Raijin: You SURE there might not be a hint of fear because if you tell your child no he might make your head explode?

Or, if he REALLY wants something, he might draw a Desire demon into the house and then you're all mindless f---puppets?

I know someone who DIDN'T give up their kid, hid him and had an apostate teach him, it didn't work out well.

[leaguer of one]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Lord Raijin: You SURE there might not be a hint of fear because if you tell your child no he might make your head explode?

Or, if he REALLY wants something, he might draw a Desire demon into the house and then you're all mindless f---puppets?

I know someone who DIDN'T give up their kid, hid him and had an apostate teach him, it didn't work out well.

That apostate was a blood mage out to kill the kids father. I know one story about an apostate bor to mage children and rasied them outside of the circle. One grew up into the chanpion of Kirkwall as an apostate.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

The mages will because the Chantry has bullied the mages for far too long, and they are the ones that initiated the Templar vs Mages war by spreading their bigotry around to the gullible.

Mages has been the Chantry's prisoner for far too long.

yey lets mages bully non-mages instead oh wait;)

someone has to lose that someone could win.

And i don't say that templars are justified because if they are mages are as well that they fight for their freedom but winner will try promote their ideals which in dark and cynical world quickly will crumble templar should defend mages but we know how far it is from reality and mages and non-mages coexisting will fall also in reality. Stronger will win and somone will suffer when winners will use justifications.

I don't want mages to start bulling non-mages. The Chantry has indoctrinated people to fear mages, and this is why people are so afraid of them. Perhabs people will start waking up and realizing that the Chantry that they once thought protected them was actually harming them with their lies.

Some parents with mage children actually start hating their own blood because that is what the Chantry teaches, and so they abandon their child at the chantry where they're sent to their chantry run jails.

Like what Hawke said in Dragon Age 2 "Forcing mages into servitude is not the way to prevent the rise of another Imperium"

Yes chantry only throw wood into flames but flames will not fade never why because mages are different and peoples don't like and thats why often different peoples are harassed by majority even racism still exist , and with mages will be always hated and peoples will throw falut at them because it is easiest throw gulit to someone else for example peoples will start blame mages for such things as disasters and their misfortune.

[Eveangaline]

In retrospect actually I'd say "Whichever side the inquisitor is on".

[Master Warder Z_]

simfamSP wrote...

I would have said the Templars, but since they withdrew from the Chantry, I question if the common folk will call them heathens. Actually, the whole withdrawing from the Chantry sounds like a huge blow to their own finances. Who will pay for their war? Unless the Templars have private funding, or are like the RL Knights Templar and thus are super duper rich.

In many Nations the Templars have nobility within their order and therefore like their realife counterparts you would see them drawing on the nobility to fund their campaigns and actions.

And they have abandoned the Chantry strictly due to the meddling of a Pro Mage Divine you very well could see the Schism that petrice was speaking of in DA2 with the Chantry or some of it supporting the Templars over the Divine give that their beliefs are within the minority.

The divine was looking for peace when a good deal of the chantry was aching for this war for a long time.

So in my eye the Templars have a good position to wage their war from not to mention you still have them having the repuation of being the Guardians of the common man against magic for a thousand years. Thats deeply ingrained into the frabic of human culture.

[cjones91]

Master Warder Z wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I would have said the Templars, but since they withdrew from the Chantry, I question if the common folk will call them heathens. Actually, the whole withdrawing from the Chantry sounds like a huge blow to their own finances. Who will pay for their war? Unless the Templars have private funding, or are like the RL Knights Templar and thus are super duper rich.

In many Nations the Templars have nobility within their order and therefore like their realife counterparts you would see them drawing on the nobility to fund their campaigns and actions.

And they have abandoned the Chantry strictly due to the meddling of a Pro Mage Divine you very well could see the Schism that petrice was speaking of in DA2 with the Chantry or some of it supporting the Templars over the Divine give that their beliefs are within the minority.

The divine was looking for peace when a good deal of the chantry was aching for this war for a long time.

So in my eye the Templars have a good position to wage their war from not to mention you still have them having the repuation of being the Guardians of the common man against magic for a thousand years. Thats deeply ingrained into the frabic of human culture.

Like many have said before the Templars have squandered any goodwill they built up when they started involving themselves in political affairs and had one of their Knight Commanders act like a tyrant.You can't expect the Templars to gain support based on anti mage sentiment because many people have mages in their families and are less likely to support a group that wants to kill them.

[EmperorSahlertz]

cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

I would have said the Templars, but since they withdrew from the Chantry, I question if the common folk will call them heathens. Actually, the whole withdrawing from the Chantry sounds like a huge blow to their own finances. Who will pay for their war? Unless the Templars have private funding, or are like the RL Knights Templar and thus are super duper rich.

In many Nations the Templars have nobility within their order and therefore like their realife counterparts you would see them drawing on the nobility to fund their campaigns and actions.

And they have abandoned the Chantry strictly due to the meddling of a Pro Mage Divine you very well could see the Schism that petrice was speaking of in DA2 with the Chantry or some of it supporting the Templars over the Divine give that their beliefs are within the minority.

The divine was looking for peace when a good deal of the chantry was aching for this war for a long time.

So in my eye the Templars have a good position to wage their war from not to mention you still have them having the repuation of being the Guardians of the common man against magic for a thousand years. Thats deeply ingrained into the frabic of human culture.

Like many have said before the Templars have squandered any goodwill they built up when they started involving themselves in political affairs and had one of their Knight Commanders act like a tyrant.You can't expect the Templars to gain support based on anti mage sentiment because many people have mages in their families and are less likely to support a group that wants to kill them.

Mages shouldn't expect any goodwill either... Both sides have made themselves enemies of the rest of the world. However, to the commoner, the Templars probably do seem like a force fighting for Order, since the fear of mages is ingrained in the commoners. At the same time, the nobility probably sees the value of amges, and as such might try to maneuver towards supporting them. Doing so would however be extremely unpopular with the masses, and as such would be very risky for any noble to try and do openly.
However, I believe most people think of both sides as dangerous, and see them both as enemies.

[ianvillan]

The Templars have shown how cruel and nasty they can be with mages do you think that they wont be the same to common people when there supply of lyrium has run out and they need even more money to buy more, or when they start forcing commoners into their ranks to fight in the war. Or how about when they declare a type of martial law on an area and have a sort of new circle but this time with common folks.