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[Hazegurl]

Br3ad wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

I find very dark skin to be immensely attractive. And very pale skin is repulsive to me. I'm not racist, it's just that I want to create dark skinned characters. Not those stains in Origins.

What an apt way to describe someone with less skin pigmentation than a native African. I feel so sorry for these "stained" people. 

Those "stains in Origins" look like a fair few North Africans.

TIL you need to have sub-saharan features to be considered a real dark-skinned person.

The more you know?

The sad truth. Let me go sit in the corner now, looking at my stains and wishing I was real black people. 

Looks like I'll be joining you since I must be a North African stain now. Oh life.

[Ryzaki]

Eh my issue with dark skin in origins is it had this nasty blotched look but that was probably a mix of my vid card and the mods I was using.

[Steelcan]

If there is a lore friendly explanation, all power to ya

[billy the squid]

Morocco Mole wrote...

My friends, this may well be the dumbest thread yet.

I still think the transgender romance thread had this one beat.  

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...
You're diverting the issue. The issue is not whether Bioware is allowed to get angry that people complain. The issue is whether you have a right to DEMAND anything with a creative product (that, I'll mention, others had no problem with and thought the ending was fine--so there's no objective argument that "they sold it as something else," especially since you're talking about marketing).

There is none. You have no right to demand anything from them. Period.

Right creative product that you paid for that was misrepresented as something else to get your money so yeah we're not going to agree. You can't seperate the fact that it was a product that was sold and marketed as something that it wasn't. Also no it wasn't just marketing the devs themselves are on record after the game went gold saying BLATANT LIES. Things they knew weren't true.

You think people had no right, I think they did, and the ending was changed anyway so yeah. Whatever we're not going to agree. And this really belongs on another thread.

Regardless ASKING for more PoC is not the same situation whatsoever as the HTL movement. And really trying to pretend it is is laughable.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:33 .

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Regardless ASKING for more PoC is not the same situation whatsoever as the HTL movement.

The post that you replied to initially was about me saying it's easy for gamers to begin demanding things. Not that we're there yet on this issue.

And I pointed out HTL demands were the result of misrespresentation of a product they were paying for. (I also would only say it was easy because the large amount of people that were angry at such misreprentation). When has BW misrepresented their usage of PoC in the DA series?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:38 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Lol so all someone needs to do is claim bioware lied about race diversity and they get the right to demand all of thedas to get sudden and unexplained affirmative action to diversify everything with everything without regard to the logic to it?

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And I pointed out HTL demands were the result of misrespresentation of a product they were paying for. When has BW misrepresented their usage of PoC in the DA series?

It doesn't matter what it was about. People demanded something from a creative product.

The same thing could easily happen here.

Like I just finished saying. People demanded something from a creative product that they were mislead into believeing they'd get from the beginning.

Unless you're trying to say BW said there would be a large amount of PoC in the next DA game this is not the same scenario.

[Ryzaki]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Lol so all someone needs to do is claim bioware lied about race diversity and they get the right to demand all of thedas to get sudden and unexplained affirmative action to diversify everything with everything without regard to the logic to it?

No.

There has been racial diversity in every BW game. Maybe not as much as people would like but it's there. BW didn't say a certain character would be a certain race in prepromotional material and then when the game is in your hands said character isn't another race.

Not putting in as much as you like =/= no racial diversity. People are just asking for more. God forbid.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Lol so all someone needs to do is claim bioware lied about race diversity and they get the right to demand all of thedas to get sudden and unexplained affirmative action to diversify everything with everything without regard to the logic to it?

No.

There has been racial diversity in every BW game. Maybe not as much as people would like but it's there. BW didn't say a certain character would be a certain race in prepromotional material and then when the game is in your hands said character isn't another race.

what is with these leaps in logic.

If by racial diversity you mean token minority characters

Modifié par Steelcan, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...
If by racial diversity you mean token minority characters

Really? I didn't feel Duncan, Isabela, Zevran, Taliesan, Alain, and so on were token. *shrugs* how did you feel they were? 

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...
I'm talking about actions, not scenarios. If an action is possible in one scenario, it is possible in another.

Ignoring why the action happened is being ignorant though.

And using your action possible in one scenario logic we shouldn't discuss anything ever because it'll lead to dev abuse and people arguing. It happened in one scenario after all.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:49 .

[Maria Caliban]

It got deleted? That's a pity.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Ryzaki wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Lol so all someone needs to do is claim bioware lied about race diversity and they get the right to demand all of thedas to get sudden and unexplained affirmative action to diversify everything with everything without regard to the logic to it?

No.

There has been racial diversity in every BW game. Maybe not as much as people would like but it's there. BW didn't say a certain character would be a certain race in prepromotional material and then when the game is in your hands said character isn't another race.

Not putting in as much as you like =/= no racial diversity. People are just asking for more. God forbid.

Actually they kinda did with isabela in DA2. XD 


It ain't even matter,  but tell that to someone pissed off and looking for an excuse to go after bioware.

[In Exile]

EntropicAngel wrote...
It doesn't matter what it was about. People demanded something from a creative product.

The same thing could easily happen here.

Did you know that most "great" artwork was commercially commissioned and designed on specification? Which is to say, in the past, the ostensibly great artists were always told exactly what do to with their creative product if they didn't want to starve?

[Ryzaki]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Actually they kinda did with isabela in DA2. XD 


It ain't even matter,  but tell that to someone pissed off and looking for an excuse to go after bioware.

To be fair it was 2 promo pics that had her lighter than she was in game. But in the non cinematic trailers she looked like she does in game. Same with the screenshots. Not to mention the Devs did say the lighter screenshots were a mistake and she doesn't look like that. So we knew that wasn't her final look.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[AlexanderCousland]

Little late to the party here but I have 3 things:

1. Isabela is black, Gaider said it himself in a panel he did.
2. You don't have to look like Flavor Flav to be black, you can look like Solidad Obrien, Beyonce, Wendy Williams, Kerry Hilson, Kerry Washington, AND Precious...they all look pretty different people and they are all full black or half.
3. The Dev' s said there was a lighting issue, and they are working to make character models better for ALL people.

Additionally, It's quite amusing to read people who are probably white argue over what black people can or should look like, and then disqualify certain black people for the sake of their own argument. It's almost like people are saying that you have to look like someone off a 'Feed the Children' commercial to be black.

[Ziggeh]

This isn't True Scotsmen territory.

The case being made is that certain ethnic groups are under or not represented.

That other ethnic groups with similar characteristics are somewhat represented isn't a refutation of that case.

At best, saying that Isabella is black is saying their question needed to be more specific.