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[Hazegurl]

eluvianix wrote...
My god, he is gorgeous. He will belong to male Inquisitor, end of story. What's the model's name?

Omar Borkan Al Gala.

I can't remember what the map stabbing scene looked like, time to look at some concept art.

update: just saw him, not bad, moustache too thick, but not bad.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 17 septembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Hazegurl wrote...
update: just saw him, not bad, moustache too thick, but not bad.

Yes, the moustache needs to be toned down. It is not quite Stroud level, but it's close.  

[sandalisthemaker]

EntropicAngel wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Why are you so fixated on a number?
Why do you assume that the presence of Rivaini or any other dark skinned NPC's are somehow due to demands from fans?
Couldn't it possibly be because Bioware has a reason for it? Or simply because they want to?

He's fixated on number because without number, it's an arbitrary request that you can use to claim that Bioware didn't satisfy even if every other NPC is Rivain.

Personally, I'm not asking for a specific number.  I would like to see some dark skinned NPC's, as in more than one.  In the end, the number is up to Bioware, obviously.

[Allan Schumacher]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

I don't understand what the BFD is. Quotas? Race only if it's making sense? What??

Put some more dark skinned people in. Then toss in some yellow skinned, and some red skinned, and purple and green skinned. Even toss in some damn orange skinned, it's a fantasy game after all.

Please don't circumvent the profanity filter. It attracts the robo mods.

There are no "robomods" on this forum.  Playing moderator yourself, however, will attract moderators.  Including devs that would prefer not to be.

[DarthSideus2]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I for one never said there should not be a plot reason for any group to exist, or denied that this might require tweaking the setting. I still think it should be done. And it's not really something to dismiss so assuredly, which is the sense I get from these kinds of conclusions you make, now that you're assured the devs are on your side or whatever, as if it's ultimately "off-topic to Dragon Age" or something. It's kind of the whole point of these kind of threads to request the devs make a change of course. (for that matter, any request thread)

That being said, I don't think the rabbit hole needs to go so deep that every non-white character has to justify their existence with exposition about where they came from.

Heh.

First of all, I feel like I know the devs (at least the ones who post on here) enough to know I would NEVER be "on their side" in terms of my perspective versus their's.

Secondly... you seem to be thinking I am saying no Rivanni should exist in DA:I. Of even that if one does, it needs a long, lengthy story behind it. Not so. No explanation was given for why Duncan was Rivanni and in Ferelden when the game started. None was needed.

You also seem to think I am saying there shouldn't be a lot of Rivanni (or, as Plantiff pointed out, other nationalities whose skin tone just happens to be dark). That's not the case. But just like there was an explanation for why there was dozens of Ferelden NPCs in Kirkwall, a Free March city, it would stand to benefit the narrative if a similar explanation was given if dozens of Rivanni NPCs were in Orlais/Ferelden.

Say a plague broke out. Say the Qunari invaded. Say the Rivanni naval fleet is mobilizing to support The Empress against Duke Gaspard.

But not saying anything and then just putting more Rivanni into a location than any other visiting nationality begins to stretch the credulity of the narrative. If this was any other Thedas nationality (say the people of the Andefells, who have gotten one "token" character the entire series is far), then would it be as vital to have?

Fast Jimmy wrote...

but I still am very curious as to what would count as meeting the given request.

Equal

I don't see that working unless a DA game was set in Rivain. Which, given their prevalence towards piracy, sounds like a game I would love to play.

Well, I wasn't aware that my non-European looking PC from DAO and DA2 were "supposed" to be Rivian. Since it was never stated otherwise, I assumed that I was Fereldan, and therefore it might not be that uncommon to maybe see more Fereldans like me (even though not many were seen in the games). Just because the first 2 games were represented in a certain way does not mean we saw the totality of what that culture represents ethnically. This is a FANTASY game loosely based on medieval Europe, not actually based in medieval Europe, so the developers could take whatever liberties they see fit to add.

Furthermore, I thought this was a wish list thread akin to "can I please have more fancy hats or custom armor for companions" Honestly, I don't see the kind of resistance to this thread (or the LI threads) as opposed to some other "please give me X" thread. I am certainly not asking for some drastic overhaul of the game's cultural dynamic, but in a game where it is not that uncommon to see Dragons, Desire Demons, Quanri, Elves, Dwarves, Mages, Giant Spiders, Darkspawn, and traveling into the Fade, a POC is so uncommon that most posters can probably name each one they have encountered in both games (including all dlcs).

For those posters that claim "this would not fit the lore blah, blah, blah" guess what, Lelianna died in some player's DAO playthrough but she is a central figure in DA2. I put Anderson on the council in ME2 but Udina is councilor in ME3. Isabela's appearance changed drastically from DAO to DA2. Things change.  Also, I would guess that probably about 80% of the people who play these games aren't as lore savvy as some of the people who post here, so that argument only goes so far.

In the end, I suppose that nobody here was completely satisfied with either game and we all have ideas on how to make it better for DAI. I hope that whoever took the time to post at least gets their idea heard.  From what I have seen so far, it seems like the developers are listening and I like what I have seen to date. Sorry about the long monologue, but after reading a lot of these posts, I just needed to vent.

[Allan Schumacher]

Just to comment, prior to reading this thread and reading that definition, I probably would have considered myself a "colourblind" person too, until I learned that there's a lot more baggage that comes with that term.

I try to treat people the same regardless of their skin colour. That doesn't, however, mean that I also feel that racism is no longer an issue, or that people of varying minorities don't face additional struggles and that various forms of institutional/systemic racism still occur. I understand that the goals of things like affirmative action are done to both combat systemic discrimination as well as provide examples for minorities that this type of job opportunity is available to them.

Yes, I do understand that on some level that means that I will be treating people with my cultural biases for what is an appropriate way to treat someone. I understand that sometimes this may cause issues, and am open to discussion as I don't mean to offend. I also understand that other people from different cultures will from time to time treat me in ways that I am not accustomed to, and that in general it's probably not actually a slight on my person. In general, I have come to appreciate learning different things about people, and if (to use a real life example) I am getting my hair cut and the person speaks to a coworker in a different language, sometimes I'll just ask "what language is that" and get to know the person.

And yes, I try to do this regardless of the person's skin colour, ultimately with the intent of appreciating that some people will be different and that I will learn new things from them.

I may not stay this way forever, but at this time the choice is fairly binary between deciding to treat people differently or not. The problem I have is that if I were to treat them differently, I wouldn't actually know how to treat them without knowing them. So yeah, it's a challenge and sometimes I may offend people. Though I would be surprised if I didn't also offend people if I attempted to treat them differently on the basis of their skin colour, because I likely wouldn't know any better.


So after reading those articles, I learned that I probably was not part of the "colorblind" group because I certainly don't feel that racial issues are simply no longer a problem and don't also realize (especially in Alberta) that simply being a white male removes some barriers for me.

[Maria Caliban]

When I was a wee Maria, my social studies books told me America was a melting pot. As a got a little older, they switched to... a salad. Yes, they literally said America was a cultural salad - horrible metaphor, but I understand why they did so.

Colorblindness became popular around the time 'melting pot' did. It had all the same problems, but it seems to have a certain tenacity to it.

[The Hierophant]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Just to comment, prior to reading this thread and reading that definition, I probably would have considered myself a "colourblind" person too, until I learned that there's a lot more baggage that comes with that term.

I try to treat people the same regardless of their skin colour. That doesn't, however, mean that I also feel that racism is no longer an issue, or that people of varying minorities don't face additional struggles and that various forms of institutional/systemic racism still occur. I understand that the goals of things like affirmative action are done to both combat systemic discrimination as well as provide examples for minorities that this type of job opportunity is available to them.

Yes, I do understand that on some level that means that I will be treating people with my cultural biases for what is an appropriate way to treat someone. I understand that sometimes this may cause issues, and am open to discussion as I don't mean to offend. I also understand that other people from different cultures will from time to time treat me in ways that I am not accustomed to, and that in general it's probably not actually a slight on my person. In general, I have come to appreciate learning different things about people, and if (to use a real life example) I am getting my hair cut and the person speaks to a coworker in a different language, sometimes I'll just ask "what language is that" and get to know the person.

And yes, I try to do this regardless of the person's skin colour, ultimately with the intent of appreciating that some people will be different and that I will learn new things from them.

I may not stay this way forever, but at this time the choice is fairly binary between deciding to treat people differently or not. The problem I have is that if I were to treat them differently, I wouldn't actually know how to treat them without knowing them. So yeah, it's a challenge and sometimes I may offend people. Though I would be surprised if I didn't also offend people if I attempted to treat them differently on the basis of their skin colour, because I likely wouldn't know any better.


So after reading those articles, I learned that I probably was not part of the "colorblind" group because I certainly don't feel that racial issues are simply no longer a problem and don't also realize (especially in Alberta) that simply being a white male removes some barriers for me.

That's cool and all but please i need a favor?

[Cainhurst Crow]

So...are we going to have relatives who also match our skin and hair tone?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 17 septembre 2013 - 05:09 .

[The Hierophant]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So...are we going to have relatives who also match our skin and hair tone?

Didn't that happen to some extent in DA2?

[kinderschlager]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

I don't understand what the BFD is. Quotas? Race only if it's making sense? What??

Put some more dark skinned people in. Then toss in some yellow skinned, and some red skinned, and purple and green skinned. Even toss in some damn orange skinned, it's a fantasy game after all.

Please don't circumvent the profanity filter. It attracts the robo mods.

There are no "robomods" on this forum.  Playing moderator yourself, however, will attract moderators.  Including devs that would prefer not to be.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Hierophant wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So...are we going to have relatives who also match our skin and hair tone?

Didn't that happen to some extent in DA2?

In my opinion, it wasn't very good.

[The Hierophant]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So...are we going to have relatives who also match our skin and hair tone?

Didn't that happen to some extent in DA2?

In my opinion, it wasn't very good.

Hey at least it was better than DAO. You'd think that Bryce Cousland was a cuckhold suffering from severe denial.

[Hazegurl]

 I had dark skinned humans and a dark skinned elf in DAO and my Hawke looked a bit middle eastern.  It never occured to me to make any of them Rivanni. Although I like the idea of Malcolm Hawke coming from there. The rest of the Hawke family didn't quite look the part or at least the brother and sister didn't. But I like the idea behind changing the family too. I agree, it's much better than DAO. My Cousland had a darker skin tone, was tall, good looking, and looked nothing at all like the rest of the Couslands. I totally roleplayed the father as just living in denial about his wife cheating on him. .

[The Hierophant]

MasterScribe wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So...are we going to have relatives who also match our skin and hair tone?

Didn't that happen to some extent in DA2?

In my opinion, it wasn't very good.

Hey at least it was better than DAO. You'd think that Bryce Cousland was a cuckhold suffering from severe denial.

Either Bryce or Eleanor could have (an) ancestor(s) with dark skin.

Likewise, Warden Cousland easily could have been adopted.

Sorry but that's not in my headcanon.

Maury: <holds envelope> "When it comes to the case of 21 year old Nate Cousland, Bryce you are- <commercial break>

Maury: Bryce...you are NOT THE FATHER!

:innocent:

[Star fury]

So logical thing is to make a racial quota in DAI. There must be:

1. 50% white dudes cause medieval Europe setting and so on.
2. 20% black dudes, there is Rivain, Antiva.
3. 5% asians cause ethnic diversity.
4. 5% jews.

Suggestions?

Modifié par Star fury, 17 septembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[AlexanderCousland]

Star fury wrote...

So logical thing is to make a racial quota in DAI. There must be:

1. 50% white dudes cause medieval Europe setting and so on.
2. 20% black dudes, there is Rivain, Antiva.
3. 5% asians cause ethnic diversity.

Suggestions?

Don't forget the women.

[AlexanderCousland]

The Hierophant wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So...are we going to have relatives who also match our skin and hair tone?

Didn't that happen to some extent in DA2?

In my opinion, it wasn't very good.

Hey at least it was better than DAO. You'd think that Bryce Cousland was a cuckhold suffering from severe denial.

Either Bryce or Eleanor could have (an) ancestor(s) with dark skin.

Likewise, Warden Cousland easily could have been adopted.

Sorry but that's not in my headcanon.

Maury: <holds envelope> "When it comes to the case of 21 year old Nate Cousland, Bryce you are- <commercial break>

Maury: Bryce...you are NOT THE FATHER!

:innocent:

BRYCE Throw' s up a middle finger to the audience, and crip walks off stage to Ludacris- She's a ho.