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[Bionuts]

themonty72 wrote...

Boy this is a racist thread .Introduce a dark skin character or characters in a rpg like the redguard or vivienne and you will read a bunch a bs from some claiming that character or characters race is this, that but not black.I am a African American who enjoys rpgs and who dont give a rat ass about characters skin tone in a video game.Only thing that matters did I like the game,did I get my money worth.Surprising Bioware havent close the thread.

Well, this thread isn't solely about African-Americans.

And yes, it does matter to me. Perhaps not to you, but you're not exactly a role model that everyone should aspire to be like. You're a regular person like all of us.

I like dark skinned characters. I even make my elves in Origins have some kind of tan, at least.

[Xilizhra]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Daissran wrote...

Haha I'm kind of speechless. That was a really nice thing to say...

Wait a minute, were you joking or something this whole time?

I prefer to remain an enigma. Not only to other people, but to myself as well. Chaos is the spice of life.

Alexander Hamilton said "Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything."

I'm inclined to disagree. Those who stand for an argument the most staunchly and firmly are all too often the easiest to troll. 

I think his point was that those with no center can fall to anyone's whims who comes along.

[Neria Rose]

Bionuts wrote...

Well, this thread isn't solely about African-Americans.

And yes, it does matter to me. Perhaps not to you, but you're not exactly a role model that everyone should aspire to be like. You're a regular person like all of us.

I like dark skinned characters. I even make my elves in Origins have some kind of tan, at least.

Ditto. I haven't rolled a fair-skinned human PC in years. Grew up not being able to select my own color (and gender) in gaming, so I never pass up the opportunity to do so now.

[Angrywolves]

Surprised this thread hasn't been locked like my asian thread was..
Guess fast jimmy doesn't have any previous developer comments on the subject.
Or maybe he does..
rotfl.
Viv is dark skinned.
We don't know where she's from.
The skin color of characters is largely irrelevant .
Anthropolgy is one of my hobbies , hence the asian questions .
I'm sure Bioware will answer our other questions in due time.

[Fast Jimmy]

Angrywolves wrote...

Surprised this thread hasn't been locked like my asian thread was..
Guess fast jimmy doesn't have any previous developer comments on the subject.
Or maybe he does..
rotfl.
Viv is dark skinned.
We don't know where she's from.
The skin color of characters is largely irrelevant .
Anthropolgy is one of my hobbies , hence the asian questions .
I'm sure Bioware will answer our other questions in due time.

Well, we already have dark skinned characters in Thedas. Rivain has been described as anywhere from brown to ebony in complexion. 

The devs have said that the previous Aurora engine did a poor job of rendering darker skin tones in ways that weren't somewhat odd looking and that Frostbite has a much better way of handling this, so maybe they were hesitant to include people with this appearance that much in previous games, but will be more inclined to do so in Inquisiiton? We'll have to see.

[vertigomez]

I will be glad when dark-skinned characters come out looking like some shade of brown instead of PURPLE (I'm looking at you, Origins).

[Angrywolves]

Well players have been assuming that Isabela, if she were to be in DAI would have the same skin tone as she did in DA2, and if Viv was from Rivain she must be from a different area than where Isabela is from.
I guess the implication is that's not the case and if Isabela was in DAI that her skin color might be darker.
That's interesting.

[Angrywolves]

We'll see if they respond.
Big grin.

[Cespar]

Well if it is black people or not around(we don't like to be known as African American also, well some don't and some do), my character will be one. So yea as long as I'm the pc, hero of Thedas? Then it will be a black one lol. !!! By the way I love everybody lol.

[Zu Long]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

So if you're not a "pure" African descendent, you're not actually black?

Not the same kind of black. The genetics are kind of hard to understand, but different races and genders have different affects on black features.

I have a white father and a black mother. However, my hair is still coarse, and I retain the high cheekbones.

A few of my cousins, however, have black fathers and white mothers. Interestingly enough, their hair is smooth.

So I have trouble calling someone black when their physical characteristics aren't that of a "real" black person.

Indeed? Do your cousins not conisder themselves "real" black people? I have a cousin who has straight hair, yet considers herself to be a black person, because her skin pigmentation is quite dark. I have the feeling that if someone said she wasn't "really" black due to her hair, she would become rather cross and feel she had been insulted. I tend to leave race identification to the person in question, myself.

[Silfren]

People who honestly believe that colorblindness is a good and appropriate thing--especially people who are actively interested in not being racist, should take the time to read up on exactly why PoC do not consider it the great and wonderful thing it's purported to be.

Here's an article from Psychology Today on the subject, for people who would object to any "non-neutral" source.

Beyond that, I'd recommend doing a Google search on something like "why colorblindness is racism" or similar.  I also recommend paying attention, and not forming kneejerk reactions.  Then again, the people in this thread who genuinely consider themselves to not be racist by virtue of their self-claimed colorblindness...being not-racist and all, you are perfectly willing to set aside your ego and try to learn something, I'm sure.

[Incantrix]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

So if you're not a "pure" African descendent, you're not actually black?

Not the same kind of black. The genetics are kind of hard to understand, but different races and genders have different affects on black features.

I have a white father and a black mother. However, my hair is still coarse, and I retain the high cheekbones.

A few of my cousins, however, have black fathers and white mothers. Interestingly enough, their hair is smooth.

So I have trouble calling someone black when their physical characteristics aren't that of a "real" black person.

I'm Blasion. Half Asian and half black, and yes, I think of my self as a "real" black person. Just as much (though not entirely) as I identify with my Japanese ancestry.

I just don't get why some of us halflings don't think our selves as "real" whatever. 

[Silfren]

Zu Long wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

So if you're not a "pure" African descendent, you're not actually black?

Not the same kind of black. The genetics are kind of hard to understand, but different races and genders have different affects on black features.

I have a white father and a black mother. However, my hair is still coarse, and I retain the high cheekbones.

A few of my cousins, however, have black fathers and white mothers. Interestingly enough, their hair is smooth.

So I have trouble calling someone black when their physical characteristics aren't that of a "real" black person.

Indeed? Do your cousins not conisder themselves "real" black people? I have a cousin who has straight hair, yet considers herself to be a black person, because her skin pigmentation is quite dark. I have the feeling that if someone said she wasn't "really" black due to her hair, she would become rather cross and feel she had been insulted. I tend to leave race identification to the person in question, myself.

Indeed, yes.  Race (leaving aside that it's a social construct and not a biological one at all) is determined as much by culture as anything else, I'd wager.  At least in the United States, I've known a few biracial people whose physical features were such that they could have "passed" for white or even, sometimes, Latino, but, quite beyond their Black ancestry, they were raised by Black families, in Black neighborhoods, and identified as Black. 

Who gets the final say in how an individual identifies?  We've already seen the crap that happens when the state gets involved in classifying people.

Modifié par Silfren, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:08 .

[Plaintiff]

Silfren wrote...

People who honestly believe that colorblindness is a good and appropriate thing--especially people who are actively interested in not being racist, should take the time to read up on exactly why PoC do not consider it the great and wonderful thing it's purported to be.

Here's an article from Psychology Today on the subject, for people who would object to any "non-neutral" source.

Beyond that, I'd recommend doing a Google search on something like "why colorblindness is racism" or similar.  I also recommend paying attention, and not forming kneejerk reactions.  Then again, the people in this thread who genuinely consider themselves to not be racist by virtue of their self-claimed colorblindness...being not-racist and all, you are perfectly willing to set aside your ego and try to learn something, I'm sure.

That was a good article, and I agreed with most of it, but I don't think I ever really considered myself 'colourblind', so.

[Xilizhra]

Silfren wrote...

People who honestly believe that colorblindness is a good and appropriate thing--especially people who are actively interested in not being racist, should take the time to read up on exactly why PoC do not consider it the great and wonderful thing it's purported to be.

Here's an article from Psychology Today on the subject, for people who would object to any "non-neutral" source.

Beyond that, I'd recommend doing a Google search on something like "why colorblindness is racism" or similar.  I also recommend paying attention, and not forming kneejerk reactions.  Then again, the people in this thread who genuinely consider themselves to not be racist by virtue of their self-claimed colorblindness...being not-racist and all, you are perfectly willing to set aside your ego and try to learn something, I'm sure.

I believe that colorblindness is an ideal outcome but not a workable philosophy to deal in now because it doesn't match reality. I would prefer to strip away all arbitrary barriers that prevent us from identifying ourselves as simply one mass of humanity, but as that hasn't happened yet, we must acknowledge different circumstances of different races, that we may erode them.

[Plaintiff]

phunx wrote...

 Brace yourselves!

That was awesome. I'm going to use that Fox McCloud argument every time some brings up the "audience identification" defence.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:22 .

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

People who honestly believe that colorblindness is a good and appropriate thing--especially people who are actively interested in not being racist, should take the time to read up on exactly why PoC do not consider it the great and wonderful thing it's purported to be.

Here's an article from Psychology Today on the subject, for people who would object to any "non-neutral" source.

Beyond that, I'd recommend doing a Google search on something like "why colorblindness is racism" or similar.  I also recommend paying attention, and not forming kneejerk reactions.  Then again, the people in this thread who genuinely consider themselves to not be racist by virtue of their self-claimed colorblindness...being not-racist and all, you are perfectly willing to set aside your ego and try to learn something, I'm sure.

That was a good article, and I agreed with most of it, but I don't think I ever really considered myself 'colourblind', so.

I suspect that, while there's certainly idiots in every faction, most people who already get the sh*t end of the stick in one arena probably have a leg up on the rest of us when it comes to understanding privilege. 

I tried to use the colorblind argument years ago, and got my ass handed to me by a Black co-worker who was also interested enough in preserving our friendship to try to educate me. In the interest of honesty I have to admit I didn't really listen to her at the time, actually thinking she was too emotionally close to the issue to understand my point.  Makes me cringe to remember, now.  But I've gotten my head out of my ass since then.  Mostly.

[PinkDiamondstl]

I would would die a happy woman (a happy black woman) when people stop seeing race and just start seeing people . With that said I hate these type of threads ,and I hope it will get closed .....soon .

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:21 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

EntropicAngel wrote...

"As a person of color, I like who I am, and I don't want any aspect of that to be unseen or invisible. The need for colorblindness implies there is something shameful about the way God made me and the culture I was born into that we shouldn't talk about. Thus, colorblindness has helped make race into a taboo topic that polite people cannot openly discuss. And if you can't talk about it, you can't understand it, much less fix the racial problems that plague our society."

Junk like this makes that article hard to take seriously.

What are you talking about?? Are u trolling??

[Swagger7]

Xilizhra wrote...


I believe that colorblindness is an ideal outcome but not a workable philosophy to deal in now because it doesn't match reality. I would prefer to strip away all arbitrary barriers that prevent us from identifying ourselves as simply one mass of humanity, but as that hasn't happened yet, we must acknowledge different circumstances of different races, that we may erode them.

Pretty much this.

Modifié par Swagger7, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:28 .

[Silfren]

Xilizhra wrote...

Silfren wrote...

People who honestly believe that colorblindness is a good and appropriate thing--especially people who are actively interested in not being racist, should take the time to read up on exactly why PoC do not consider it the great and wonderful thing it's purported to be.

Here's an article from Psychology Today on the subject, for people who would object to any "non-neutral" source.

Beyond that, I'd recommend doing a Google search on something like "why colorblindness is racism" or similar.  I also recommend paying attention, and not forming kneejerk reactions.  Then again, the people in this thread who genuinely consider themselves to not be racist by virtue of their self-claimed colorblindness...being not-racist and all, you are perfectly willing to set aside your ego and try to learn something, I'm sure.

I believe that colorblindness is an ideal outcome but not a workable philosophy to deal in now because it doesn't match reality. I would prefer to strip away all arbitrary barriers that prevent us from identifying ourselves as simply one mass of humanity, but as that hasn't happened yet, we must acknowledge different circumstances of different races, that we may erode them.

Meh.  I see your point, but honestly I see no value in even wasting time mentioning "ideal outcomes."  You explain why in your own words about (un)workable philosophies and reality.  They're NOT workable, no, so why justify them with lip service comments about them being so awesome?