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[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
That would be a nice change of pace, since the codex from Witch Hunt reads that it was created to protect the People. It's supposed to be able to beat back a High Dragon, according to a story in Dragon Age II (per it's codex).

I wonder if it relates to the Eluvian. When we meet one in WH, we're searching for the Eluvian. When it attacks us in DA2, we are working toward rebuilding another (whether or not Hawke is ultimately a jerk about it). 

dragondreamer wrote...

The codex suggests they guard both; I suspect they prioritize whatever it was they were specifically created to protect.  I hope we learn more about them in DA:I. 

I wonder about that. I wonder if there isn't something particular about elves that our Warden was missing... 

... maybe it's the blood? The blood was tainted, so it reacted to us? 

That still leaves what happened with Merril as a question mark, though. 

MisterJB wrote...

I would like to raise the possiblity of the varterrals being nothing more than cunning animals around which legends were formed.
There is simply no evidence of them possessing any special characteristics given that their behavior can be easily explained by mundane facts and it has directly contradicted the elven legends.
We are told varterrals protect elves and don't usually harm Dalish clans. However, we've seen varterrals attack solitary elves three times now. This could be simply due to it not liking its odds against an entire clan as opposed to a lone elf.
Merrils claims varterrals regenerate on their own so long as they have a duty to fulfill. However, if so, how did the elves lose if they had unkillable weapons capable of defeating High Dragons? And why are Varterrals rare if they, literally, can't die? There should be many leftovers from the time of Arlathan.
We never actually see the varterral in DA2 regenerate so, it's entirely possile the second was as simply the other half of a mating pair or a cub who grew up in the three years between act 2 and 3.

Or they could be biologically engineered war machines designed to fight against Tevinter mages. I personally favoured that view. 

[Daissran]

I like the idea of fighting a Varterral, perhaps a revamped version that is larger, more cunning and difficult. I think bosses need to be more difficult and sneakier overall, where we need to employ more tactics and thought into taking it down.

Has anyone played the Onimusha games? In Onimusha the bosses were extremely difficult and had to be defeated multiple times, coming back stronger every time you took them down.

I'm hoping DAI has something similair with bosses that are able to threaten, scare and provoke, that have motives but arn't entirely human - perhaps a demon that keeps trying to get under your skin, but can't be defeated until the third or fourth fight. Bosses that keep coming back and take effort to finally defeat. Link: www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Daissran, 15 septembre 2013 - 06:34 .

[Eveangaline]

In Exile wrote...
I wonder about that. I wonder if there isn't something particular about elves that our Warden was missing... 

... maybe it's the blood? The blood was tainted, so it reacted to us? 

That still leaves what happened with Merril as a question mark, though.

Maybe they can't tell post 'quickening' not immortal elves are elves.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 15 septembre 2013 - 09:20 .

[Knight of Dane]

In Exile wrote...

I think it'd be nice if it actually didn't try to murder our elf protagonist for once. Guardian of the people my foot.

If we get to meet a new Varterral, it would be awesome if it stood down by possibly encountering our Inquisitor going solo or only followed by other Elven partymembers.

Would put some truth behind the legend.

[azarhal]

Knight of Dane wrote...

In Exile wrote...

I think it'd be nice if it actually didn't try to murder our elf protagonist for once. Guardian of the people my foot.

If we get to meet a new Varterral, it would be awesome if it stood down by possibly encountering our Inquisitor going solo or only followed by other Elven partymembers.

Would put some truth behind the legend.

Depends what the Inquisitor is trying to do. Varterral are guardian, even if you are elven it will attack you if you are trying to disturb what it is guarding. You aren't his master.

[Knight of Dane]

The only descruibtion until now is that they are gueardians against the enemy of the people.

[leaguer of one]

Knight of Dane wrote...

The only descruibtion until now is that they are gueardians against the enemy of the people.

And elves are " the people".

[MisterJB]

thats1evildude wrote...
First, look at that thing's body. Even in a world of magic, the varterral's physiology is bonkers. If that half-rock spider-thingy is a product of the natural environment, then Mother Nature was smoking crack that day.

Thedas is home to various animals that do no exist in our world; varterrals are no more logic-defying than dragons, nugs, ghasts, wyverns, brontos, deepstalkers or giant spiders.

Second, that creature comes back to life even if you kill it and remove its heart. That's a pretty special characteristic.

Like I said previously, we never see one return to life. We kill one; three years later, we kill another. This is no evidence of these creatures possessing regenerative capabilities but simply of there being more than one in that area or of another having moved into it in the three years time.

They could simply be difficult to produce, and as such, there were only a few to begin with.

My feeling is that there's something going on to explain the varterral's odd behaviour that we simply haven't figured out yet. Perhaps the magisters cursed them, making the varterrals turn on the elves?

Or perhaps, because it was the "elven gods" who created these monsters, they've defaulted to "SLAY EVERYTHING" in the absence of their makers?

Or maybe the ancient elves had a method of directing these monsters - like a control rod for golems - but that knowledge has been lost to the elves (along with everything else) and the varterrals now just attack everyone?

This is all conjecture and speculation. I mean, you're even suggesting that something we have no reason to believe exists produced an effect that we have no reason to believe varterrals possess.

I'm not saying that you are dead wrong but I am saying that this is no evidence.

[Knight of Dane]

leaguer of one wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

The only descruibtion until now is that they are gueardians against the enemy of the people.

And elves are " the people".

That's what they say. 

[Master Warder Z_]

It would be good to see the old enemy again.

They have appeared as foes in two games now and are fairly tough opponents.

[In Exile]

Eveangaline wrote...
Maybe they can't tell post 'quickening' not immortal elves are elves.

I'm not a believer that the elves were ever immortal, so I doubt it. 

[Master Warder Z_]

In Exile wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...
Maybe they can't tell post 'quickening' not immortal elves are elves.

I'm not a believer that the elves were ever immortal, so I doubt it. 

I am pretty sure that is just Elven propaganda spread around about the time of the formation of the dales to make it seem like Humanity had robbed them of something else.

._. Not much in DA seems immortal although according to Gaider Dalish do live a tad longer then Humans and thus their city elves counterparts but Qunari outlive them so make of it what you will.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Master Warder Z wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...
Maybe they can't tell post 'quickening' not immortal elves are elves.

I'm not a believer that the elves were ever immortal, so I doubt it. 

I am pretty sure that is just Elven propaganda spread around about the time of the formation of the dales to make it seem like Humanity had robbed them of something else.

._. Not much in DA seems immortal although according to Gaider Dalish do live a tad longer then Humans and thus their city elves counterparts but Qunari outlive them so make of it what you will.

During Merrill's recruitment quest, she mentions the long sleep, at, of all things, an elven graveyard.  I wondered then if this "immortal" thing was a bit blown out of proportion.

[LobselVith8]

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

During Merrill's recruitment quest, she mentions the long sleep, at, of all things, an elven graveyard.  I wondered then if this "immortal" thing was a bit blown out of proportion. 

Sundermount was the site of a city that fell into decay, and for a battle against Tevinter. Also, the Dalish tend to acknowledge the pieces of their lore they aren't familiar with, like the Forgotten Ones, and the inception of their war with the Creators. They also seem to have held onto quite a bit of their ancient culture. I'm sure people will continue to disagree about elven lore, of course.

[Clockwork_Wings]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

During Merrill's recruitment quest, she mentions the long sleep, at, of all things, an elven graveyard.  I wondered then if this "immortal" thing was a bit blown out of proportion. 

Sundermount was the site of a city that fell into decay, and for a battle against Tevinter. Also, the Dalish tend to acknowledge the pieces of their lore they aren't familiar with, like the Forgotten Ones, and the inception of their war with the Creators. They also seem to have held onto quite a bit of their ancient culture. I'm sure people will continue to disagree about elven lore, of course.

Ah, okay, so she may have thought they were warriors who fell in battle?

[Vortex13]

thats1evildude wrote...

Or maybe the ancient elves had a method of directing these monsters - like a control rod for golems - but that knowledge has been lost to the elves (along with everything else) and the varterrals now just attack everyone?

If this is true, I want to dive into elven ruins for this 'control rod', once I have one I am resetting it's guardian state to one of my keeps.

I mean who wouldn't want one of those things as a guard dog for your stuff?

[LobselVith8]

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Sundermount was the site of a city that fell into decay, and for a battle against Tevinter. Also, the Dalish tend to acknowledge the pieces of their lore they aren't familiar with, like the Forgotten Ones, and the inception of their war with the Creators. They also seem to have held onto quite a bit of their ancient culture. I'm sure people will continue to disagree about elven lore, of course.

Ah, okay, so she may have thought they were warriors who fell in battle?

It was the site of a battle between Tevinter mages and Arlathan elves, but Merrill's talk about uthenera is about centuries long slumber by the ancient elves of Arlathan, when they wandered the Fade and took a reprieve from the world. By the time of the battle with Tevinter, it's unlikely any slumbering elves would have remained alive, if one believes Dalish lore about the Arlathan elves.

It's unfortunate that we can't ask Merrill to provide more detailed information about the history of the Arlathan elves; I would really enjoy the opportunity to learn more about their history and their ancestors.

[Eveangaline]

Clearly the inquisitor needs to get an army of them to cleanse the lands of the humans so the elves may regain their immortality.

[LobselVith8]

Eveangaline wrote...

Clearly the inquisitor needs to get an army of them to cleanse the lands of the humans so the elves may regain their immortality.

I'm thinking there could be an elven plot to take back the Dales because of the mention in "Asunder" about an elven uprising in occupied Dales, and their apparent role in the upcoming book, "The Masked Empire".