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[Jaison1986]

So here is the thing. When you meet Isabela, she says when she worked with Castillon she discovered that he was smuggling slaves, and she decided to free them because even as an pirate she had her limits. However now in Those who speak, Isabela is shown to actually know that she was transporting slaves, and the time she freed them was not the first. The first time she transported slaves, she got chased by the Orlesian ships and ordered that the slaves were tossed in the sea to make the ship lighter, and they were all left to drown.
I can't be helped but to think this is just way too cruel and brutal for Isabela. It just feel OOC for her to do something like that.

Modifié par Jaison1986, 15 septembre 2013 - 12:52 .

[Kelirax]

I havent read Those who speak, so I'm not sure about much of the story, but I do know that Isabelle isn't exactly a good person by nature. Its evident from Dragon age 2 that she is a selfish person on 2 occasions( The demon which is understandable, and when she leaves you with the Qunari to ravage Kirkwall). I believe that sometime after her tossing off slaves she might have changed, or as you said, it could just be an inconsistency.

[Angrywolves]

True on that.
Isn't she suppose to be a pirate.
She does bring back that silly Qunari artifact if you have a good relationship with her.
Then you can give her to the Ashirok or fight him for her.
I fight him of course.

[Maria Caliban]

Jaison1986 wrote...

So here is the thing. When you meet Isabela, she says when she worked with Castillon she discovered that he was smuggling slaves, and she decided to free them because even as an pirate she had her limits. However now in Those who speak, Isabela is shown to actually know that she was transporting slaves, and the time she freed them was not the first. The first time she transported slaves, she got chased by the Orlesian ships and ordered that the slaves were tossed in the sea to make the ship lighter, and they were all left to drown.
I can't be helped but to think this is just way too cruel and brutal for Isabela. It just feel OOC for her to do something like that.

Comic Isabela != Video Game Isabela.

Just pretend they're from a different universe.

[leaguer of one]

That time she let those slaves die is not the same time she freed them. The time she freed them she did not state it was her first time dealing with slave trafficking. In fact she said she was told not to look at the cargo.

[leaguer of one]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

So here is the thing. When you meet Isabela, she says when she worked with Castillon she discovered that he was smuggling slaves, and she decided to free them because even as an pirate she had her limits. However now in Those who speak, Isabela is shown to actually know that she was transporting slaves, and the time she freed them was not the first. The first time she transported slaves, she got chased by the Orlesian ships and ordered that the slaves were tossed in the sea to make the ship lighter, and they were all left to drown.
I can't be helped but to think this is just way too cruel and brutal for Isabela. It just feel OOC for her to do something like that.

Comic Isabela != Video Game Isabela.

Just pretend they're from a different universe.

That time she let those slaves die is not the same time she freed them. The time she freed them she did not state it was her first time dealing with slave trafficking. In fact she said she was told not to look at the cargo.

[The Hierophant]

Just headcannon it that she lied because she's ashamed of her murder of the slaves. iirc she even killed her contact to prevent him from mentioning it.

[MisterJB]

People can change, you know.
Isabela was quite shaken by what she did; and was so ashamed of it she was willing to kill in cold blood; and when the same situations presented itself, she couldn't go through with it. David Gaider himself said that Isabela knows what it's like to regret one's past.
It's not character inconsistency, it's character development.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 septembre 2013 - 03:36 .

[leaguer of one]

The Hierophant wrote...

Just headcannon it that she lied because she's ashamed of her murder of the slaves. iirc she even killed her contact to prevent him from mentioning it.

It's not an inconsistancy. It's two differnet events.

[werewoof]

MisterJB wrote...

People can change, you know.
Isabela was quite shaken by what she did; and was so ashamed of it she was willing to kill in cold blood; and when the same situations presented itself, she couldn't go through with it. David Gaider himself said that Isabela knows what it's like to regret one's past.
It's not character inconsistency, it's character development.

thank you

[VampireSoap]

Incosistence? Incosistence? This. Is. Madness!

You mean inconsistency, right?

[Trafalgar-Law]

Isabela is a liar. Problem solved.

[Han Shot First]

Which came first?

If the murder of slaves is earlier in the timeline than her later freeing of slaves, I don't necessarily see it as being OOC. It may have been a decision that haunted her, and after some soul-searching a decision that ultimately pushes her into the abolitionist camp.

[thats1evildude]

Han Shot First wrote...

If the murder of slaves is earlier in the timeline than her later freeing of slaves, I don't necessarily see it as being OOC. It may have been a decision that haunted her, and after some soul-searching a decision that ultimately pushes her into the abolitionist camp.

The dumping of slaves came first.

She even says in the comic that the next time she was tricked into ferrying slaves, she let them all go.

[Fishy]

She seem to grow a conscience depending of your choice in DA2, but she's still selfish , self-important , immature and sex addicted. My Kind of woman.

[Han Shot First]

thats1evildude wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

If the murder of slaves is earlier in the timeline than her later freeing of slaves, I don't necessarily see it as being OOC. It may have been a decision that haunted her, and after some soul-searching a decision that ultimately pushes her into the abolitionist camp.

The dumping of slaves came first.

She even says in the comic that the next time she was tricked into ferrying slaves, she let them all go.

Thanks. I don't see that as being inconsistent in that case. Rather it is character development. She was haunted by an experience that caused her to view slavery itself as an evil.

[thats1evildude]

Jaison1986 wrote...

I can't be helped but to think this is just way too cruel and brutal for Isabela. It just feel OOC for her to do something like that.

She. Was. A. Pirate. What do you think that career choice entails? Singing quaint songs and lounging around in a hammock all day?

Han Shot First wrote...

Thanks. I don't see that as being inconsistent in that case. Rather it is character development. She was haunted by an experience that caused her to view slavery itself as an evil.

Yes, that's my feeling as well.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 septembre 2013 - 05:15 .

[phunx]

Isabela: No. You don't want my life.

Merrill: Why?

Isabela: Because you have a good heart, and you deserve better.

[Fredward]

-snort- You learn something ex post facto about someone's past and you're upset that it's incongruous with who they are now? I don't know previous Isabela but I DO know that current Isabela has a strong self-preservation instinct, I know she hates and fears the Qunari and I know she'd be able to convince herself that dying is preferrable to being indoctrinated by the aforementioned horny-folks.

Really the only way this would have been OOC (and using that term in anything but fanfiction is pushing it) is if Isabela had done it AFTER DA2. I think doing that seriously messed with her head, enough that she changed... to an extent.

[Ailith Tycane]

She ordered those slaves drowned first, and then freed those slaves second. Seems likely she was feeling guilty and tried to make amends, which seems entirely within her character to me.

[Shelondias]

Did you drop the book the second you read it and then come on here?
Not long after she explains how the drowning of those slaves affected her.

[wright1978]

Feels like a twist that has been added to spice up the comics. As far as i'm concerned i have no issue if guilt over sacrificing slaves induced the latter choice to save them but if so it should have been part of her DA2 arc. That's why i'd prefer if companions didn't make appearances in these sort of secondary sources.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Suprez30 wrote...

She seem to grow a conscience depending of your choice in DA2, but she's still selfish , self-important , immature and sex addicted. My Kind of woman.