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[Taleroth]

esper wrote...

So while I don't think it is inconsistent with her character, it is an information that should be avaiable for the players in game, to understand Isabella's story arc.

You want to understand Isabela's story arc?

She lied about the book for 3 years. People were fighting and dying over it and she did not care. The Qunari launch an invasion of Kirkwall, start beheading and murdering people and she did not care. And she had the power to stop it from word 1.

The only thing that could get Isabela to not run away with it gleefully to save her own hide is if she's besties with Hawke.

Isabela is a monster.

Modifié par Taleroth, 17 septembre 2013 - 09:59 .

[Mr.House]

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

So while I don't think it is inconsistent with her character, it is an information that should be avaiable for the players in game, to understand Isabella's story arc.

You want to understand Isabela's story arc?

She sat on that book for 3 years. People were fighting and dying over it and she did not care. The Qunari launch an invasion of Kirkwall, start beheading and murdering people and she did not care. And she had the power to stop it from word 1.

The only thing that could get Isabela to not run away with it gleefully to save her own hide is if she's besties with Hawke.

Isabela is a monster.

Please, Petrices actions where her own doing.

[Ryzaki]

esper wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Aaaaaaaand people still don't understand canon. Welp I'm going to bed.

I figured this out 5 years ago with Harry Potter.

God debating those interviews...

What do you mean? The Dumbledore Was Gay thing?

That was a part of it but she didn't exactly contradict herself on that so I was fine with it. It was mostly the whole Slytherins weren't all traitors thing despite the book's many suggestions that...they were. (And about her negative portrayals of Slytherins in the books). And other things. It's been a while. XD But she contradicted herself several times in interviews with what was in the book itself (and even previous interviews).

Dear Maker, do not remind of the many, many papers I have had to read about the death of the Author. (Shudder).

XD

It was fun though. Made me wanna pull my hair out but fun.

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

So while I don't think it is inconsistent with her character, it is an information that should be avaiable for the players in game, to understand Isabella's story arc.

You want to understand Isabela's story arc?

She sat on that book for 3 years. People were fighting and dying over it and she did not care. The Qunari launch an invasion of Kirkwall, start beheading and murdering people and she did not care. And she had the power to stop it from word 1.

The only thing that could get Isabela to not run away with it gleefully to save her own hide is if she's besties with Hawke.

Isabela is a monster.

Please, Petrices actions where her own doing.

Yeah this.

The Arishok wouldn't have lost it and could've kept chasing Izzy if Peatrice didn't keep poking the sleeping lion like a twit.

[Taleroth]

Mr.House wrote...

Please, Petrices actions where her own doing.

The biggest criminal indictment in that is the Qunari invasion, where Isabela just runs away.

If she's not best friends/rivals with Hawke, she gladly leaves him/her and crew to get their heads cut off and put on pikes.

A less socoipathic thief would have at least tried convincing Hawke to run away, too. Isabela don't care.

[esper]

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

So while I don't think it is inconsistent with her character, it is an information that should be avaiable for the players in game, to understand Isabella's story arc.

You want to understand Isabela's story arc?

She sat on that book for 3 years. People were fighting and dying over it and she did not care. The Qunari launch an invasion of Kirkwall, start beheading and murdering people and she did not care. And she had the power to stop it from word 1.

The only thing that could get Isabela to not run away with it gleefully to save her own hide is if she's besties with Hawke.

Isabela is a monster.

Hey, i don't like her either. But no matter what she did free those slaves, and that acts is what starts the Qunari thing Personally I am not surprised, but I still think the slaver guy who she stole from should have called her on it so the player was let in on it to.

Of course I think it is possible something else happened. When writing da2 bioware was going for charming scroundel, who had a sudden attack of morality and when the comic books were written, they decided to at depth, without thinking about how this altered the whole chain of event that lead to the attack on Kirkwall.

[esper]

Ryzaki wrote...

esper wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Aaaaaaaand people still don't understand canon. Welp I'm going to bed.

I figured this out 5 years ago with Harry Potter.

God debating those interviews...

What do you mean? The Dumbledore Was Gay thing?

That was a part of it but she didn't exactly contradict herself on that so I was fine with it. It was mostly the whole Slytherins weren't all traitors thing despite the book's many suggestions that...they were. (And about her negative portrayals of Slytherins in the books). And other things. It's been a while. XD But she contradicted herself several times in interviews with what was in the book itself (and even previous interviews).

Dear Maker, do not remind of the many, many papers I have had to read about the death of the Author. (Shudder).

XD

It was fun though. Made me wanna pull my hair out but fun.

Well. We didn't get to use Harry Potter as example.

[Ryzaki]

esper wrote...
Well. We didn't get to use Harry Potter as example.

XD fair enough.

But as bad as people say BSN fans are god sometimes I felt HP fans were worse. Especially the shippers. God the shipping wars. *shivers*

But yeah I'm wondering why Castillo didn't rat Isabela out. If only as a final insult.

[Taleroth]

esper wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

So while I don't think it is inconsistent with her character, it is an information that should be avaiable for the players in game, to understand Isabella's story arc.

You want to understand Isabela's story arc?

She sat on that book for 3 years. People were fighting and dying over it and she did not care. The Qunari launch an invasion of Kirkwall, start beheading and murdering people and she did not care. And she had the power to stop it from word 1.

The only thing that could get Isabela to not run away with it gleefully to save her own hide is if she's besties with Hawke.

Isabela is a monster.

Hey, i don't like her either. But no matter what she did free those slaves, and that acts is what starts the Qunari thing Personally I am not surprised, but I still think the slaver guy who she stole from should have called her on it so the player was let in on it to.

Of course I think it is possible something else happened. When writing da2 bioware was going for charming scroundel, who had a sudden attack of morality and when the comic books were written, they decided to at depth, without thinking about how this altered the whole chain of event that lead to the attack on Kirkwall.

Or she's a liar. Like she lied about the "box" and how she didn't know what was in it.

Or when she finally found out where the book was.
Oops, did I say book. I meant... I heard it was a book.

Modifié par Taleroth, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:15 .

[esper]

Ryzaki wrote...

esper wrote...
Well. We didn't get to use Harry Potter as example.

XD fair enough.

But as bad as people say BSN fans are god sometimes I felt HP fans were worse. Especially the shippers. God the shipping wars. *shivers*

But yeah I'm wondering why Castillo didn't rat Isabela out. If only as a final insult.

I am suspecting because at the time of da2's writing, this wasn't what happened in Isabella's backstory, thus Castillo couldn't rat her out. And he would definitly have done it, because they were not friends.

(I have never decided if I find shipping wars fun or scary...)

[esper]

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

So while I don't think it is inconsistent with her character, it is an information that should be avaiable for the players in game, to understand Isabella's story arc.

You want to understand Isabela's story arc?

She sat on that book for 3 years. People were fighting and dying over it and she did not care. The Qunari launch an invasion of Kirkwall, start beheading and murdering people and she did not care. And she had the power to stop it from word 1.

The only thing that could get Isabela to not run away with it gleefully to save her own hide is if she's besties with Hawke.

Isabela is a monster.

Hey, i don't like her either. But no matter what she did free those slaves, and that acts is what starts the Qunari thing Personally I am not surprised, but I still think the slaver guy who she stole from should have called her on it so the player was let in on it to.

Of course I think it is possible something else happened. When writing da2 bioware was going for charming scroundel, who had a sudden attack of morality and when the comic books were written, they decided to at depth, without thinking about how this altered the whole chain of event that lead to the attack on Kirkwall.

Or she's a liar. Like she lied about the "box" and how she didn't know what was in it.

Or when she finally found out where the book was.
Oops, did I say book. I meant... I heard it was a book.

But it is still not necessary that the information comes from Isabella. Why didn't Castillo for example not rat her out to Hawke? It was not like he was happy wiht her freeing his cargo and costing him money... There is also other ways to get information to the player without getting it from or to the character, but that is the most obvious way have happened.

My problem is not that she lied. My problem is that as player that first step in the chain was kinda important in our perception of Isabella.

[leaguer of one]

Taleroth wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Please, Petrices actions where her own doing.

 

A less socoipathic thief would have at least tried convincing Hawke to run away, too. Isabela don't care.

You'r e kidding. She knows you need it to stop the Qunari, no way would she ask you to just leave with her. Added, she does come back.

[Taleroth]

esper wrote...

My problem is not that she lied. My problem is that as player that first step in the chain was kinda important in our perception of Isabella.

And that's the perception you were intended to have.

leaguer of one wrote...

You'r e kidding. She knows you need it to stop the Qunari, no way would she ask you to just leave with her. Added, she does come back.

She only comes back if you have high friendship or rivalry. Otherwise she skips town completely.

Modifié par Taleroth, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:24 .

[leaguer of one]

esper wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

esper wrote...

So while I don't think it is inconsistent with her character, it is an information that should be avaiable for the players in game, to understand Isabella's story arc.

You want to understand Isabela's story arc?

She sat on that book for 3 years. People were fighting and dying over it and she did not care. The Qunari launch an invasion of Kirkwall, start beheading and murdering people and she did not care. And she had the power to stop it from word 1.

The only thing that could get Isabela to not run away with it gleefully to save her own hide is if she's besties with Hawke.

Isabela is a monster.

Hey, i don't like her either. But no matter what she did free those slaves, and that acts is what starts the Qunari thing Personally I am not surprised, but I still think the slaver guy who she stole from should have called her on it so the player was let in on it to.

Of course I think it is possible something else happened. When writing da2 bioware was going for charming scroundel, who had a sudden attack of morality and when the comic books were written, they decided to at depth, without thinking about how this altered the whole chain of event that lead to the attack on Kirkwall.

Or she's a liar. Like she lied about the "box" and how she didn't know what was in it.

Or when she finally found out where the book was.
Oops, did I say book. I meant... I heard it was a book.

But it is still not necessary that the information comes from Isabella. Why didn't Castillo for example not rat her out to Hawke? It was not like he was happy wiht her freeing his cargo and costing him money... There is also other ways to get information to the player without getting it from or to the character, but that is the most obvious way have happened.

My problem is not that she lied. My problem is that as player that first step in the chain was kinda important in our perception of Isabella.

Castillo does not rat her out to Hawke because he does not know about Hawke. Added there is no garantee Hawke would get what  Castillo wants, which is the book.

[leaguer of one]

[quote]Taleroth wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

You'r e kidding. She knows you need it to stop the Qunari, no way would she ask you to just leave with her. Added, she does come back.[/quote] She only comes back if you have high friendship or rivalry. Otherwise she skips town completely.
[/quote]
I know that. It part of her character of caring only about what she cares about. She is choaticly neutral.

[Commander Kurt]

@Esper, I don't get it. You aren't surprised, you got that she was this kind of person. Yet you resent the game for not telling you that she was this kind of person..?

If you aren't surprised, then you had all the info you needed. All this about the game trying to paint her as the charming lovable Jack Sparrow type? It never did. Isabella did. The game was clear about her NOT being that type at all.

But this is going nowhere. Not having everything spelled out is what makes the experience bad for you and good for me. Simple as that.

Hope you enjoy the rest of your evening.

[Ryzaki]

leaguer of one wrote...
Castillo does not rat her out to Hawke because he does not know about Hawke. Added there is no garantee Hawke would get what  Castillo wants, which is the book.

It would however cause Hawke to take a double take at her and potentially cause an arguement. It's a better chance than what he has facing him.

Plus he could just say it to be a douche.

esper wrote...
I am suspecting because at the time of da2's
writing, this wasn't what happened in Isabella's backstory, thus
Castillo couldn't rat her out. And he would definitly have done it,
because they were not friends.

(I have never decided if I find shipping wars fun or scary...)

Agreed.
It would've been a deliciously awkward moment. "You did what?" Could've
started an arguement, Castillo could've tried to escape, so on. It's
not like standing there waiting for Hawke to stab him was doing him any
favors.

Oftentimes both still HP ones just...NOPE.

[Mr.House]

Taleroth wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Please, Petrices actions where her own doing.

The biggest criminal indictment in that is the Qunari invasion, where Isabela just runs away.

If she's not best friends/rivals with Hawke, she gladly leaves him/her and crew to get their heads cut off and put on pikes.

A less socoipathic thief would have at least tried convincing Hawke to run away, too. Isabela don't care.

What does this have to do with Petrice? No one forced Petrice to poke the dragon, she did that on her own and caused damage. The Qunari attack on kirkwall was because of many things, majoirty of which was caused by Petrice, Isabela simply was the last nail, but putting all blame on Isabela and not putting blame on the right parties shows oyu are being bias.

[MerinTB]

Taleroth wrote...
Isabela is a monster.

Yeah, there are characters you love to hate (you know, a Dracula or an Iago) and then there are characters you just hate because they are reprehensible slime.

Example of the latter: Isabela.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Isabella doesn't run away during a Qunari invasion. She leaves with the book (which she didn't have this whole time) before the Arishok decides to attack Kirkwall for reasons that mostly aren't about her. The relic was the reason he was stuck in Kirkwall, but the reason he attacked was because of everything else in Kirkwall.

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Please, Petrices actions where her own doing.

The biggest criminal indictment in that is the Qunari invasion, where Isabela just runs away.

If she's not best friends/rivals with Hawke, she gladly leaves him/her and crew to get their heads cut off and put on pikes.

A less socoipathic thief would have at least tried convincing Hawke to run away, too. Isabela don't care.

What does this have to do with Petrice? No one forced Petrice to poke the dragon, she did that on her own and caused damage. The Qunari attack on kirkwall was because of many things, majoirty of which was caused by Petrice, Isabela simply was the last nail, but putting all blame on Isabela and not putting blame on the right parties shows oyu are being bias.

The qunari chose to attack Kirkwall, for reasons... that ultimately didn't even have to do with their goal, because the Tome of Koslun was no longer in the city, which he knew. And Petrice was dead. There was literally no reason for the Arishok to stay unless he somehow psychically knew that Isabela would come back. It was purely him throwing a temper tantrum.

[Ryzaki]

You're going to ignore the fact that Peatrice wasn't working alone?

That her allies and she had harassed and murdered his people for years up to that point?

He snapped. I'm surprised it took as long as it did. Saemus was just the straw that broke the camel's back. At that point it didn't matter she was dead anymore. If he had stayed there what you think just because Peatrice was dead the harassing would've stopped?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 12:00 .

[Xilizhra]

Ryzaki wrote...

You're going to ignore the fact that Peatrice wasn't working alone?

That her allies and she had harassed and murdered his people for years up to that point?

He snapped. I'm surprised it took as long as it did. Saemus was just the straw that broke the camel's back. At that point it didn't matter she was dead anymore. If he had stayed there what you think just because Peatrice was dead the harassing would've stopped?

The point is that he didn't have to stay in the city because his quest object had already left. In fact, he was abandoning his own Qun-ordered goal in launching his attack on Kirkwall.

[Ryzaki]

And he knew where she had gone to? Because I'm fairly certain he didn't. He'd had to stay in Kirkwall long enough to get data on where she had gone to. You don't just wander aimlessly with a large amount of people and he decided he couldn't stay passively in a city that was actively antagonistic to him anymore.

He flat out asks you where is Isabela if you recruited her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 12:18 .

[Xilizhra]

Ryzaki wrote...

And he knew where she had gone to? Because I'm fairly certain he didn't. He'd had to stay in Kirkwall long enough to get data on where she had gone to. You don't just wander aimlessly with a large amount of people and he decided he couldn't stay in the city that was actively antagonistic to him anymore.

But... that makes no sense. Hawke is literally the only source of immediate information on her departure. And it's nighttime, there aren't all that many people on the street; he could send a few qunari around, possibly accompanied by Hawke, to grill passersby on what exit Isabela took, after which he'd lead his troops that way.

I will admit that Aveline really, really didn't help.