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[Maconbar]

Isabella inconsistency or development is also discussed in the following thread. Several comments add good insight into the matter.

http://social.biowar.../index/17311766

[xelander]

1. People change.
2. Given the choice of their own life or someone else's, most people choose their own. There are only a few people willing to sacrifice their lives for the sake of moral principles. Usually they are called martyrs, not pirates.
3.Comics/Books are not canon.
4. I'm biased, she's my second favorite character in the Dragon Age universe

[Fredward]

VampireSoap wrote...

Incosistence? Incosistence? This. Is. Madness!

You mean inconsistency, right?

I keep reading incontinence now.

[Star fury]

Tossing the slaves in a sea can be technically counted as freeing them.

[Maconbar]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Incosistence? Incosistence? This. Is. Madness!

You mean inconsistency, right?

I keep reading incontinence now.

this game will be terrible because the Inquisitor never goes to the bathroom. This destroys immersion.

[Jaison1986]

Fixed the title. Happy now?

Anyway, regarding to Isabela, it's just something that haves too much of an impact on her character to be left out in the game. If you metagame, she is an murderer that took a lot of innocent lifes just to save her skin. Just because she felt bad about it and tried to do the right thing later won't change the monstrous deed she committed. And selling her out to the Arishok seems to be an very well deserved fate now.

Modifié par Jaison1986, 15 septembre 2013 - 01:00 .

[The Elder King]

Gave her to the qunari, then. Nobody is forcing you to like her or save her.

[Lady Niltiak]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Fixed the title. Happy now?

Anyway, regarding to Isabela, it's just something that haves too much of an impact on her character to be left out in the game. If you metagame, she is an murderer that took a lot of innocent lifes just to save her skin. Just because she felt bad about it and tried to do the right thing later won't change the monstrous deed she committed. And selling her out to the Arishok seems to be an very well deserved fate now.

Truly a  deserved fate? I see it instead as a mistake she's never going to mention. She does say in game "Our mistakes make us who we are." Everyone has something they would like to forget,  even if it changes their choices later. They just won't tell people about their reasons. 

To be fair,  when would she mention that particular story to Hawke? "I freed slaves because I killed them last time and I do have a conscience? " *SPOILER* Even in the comics after revealing everything to Rassan,  she doesn't tell Varric or Alistair.  ( She might tell Varric later, but she doesn't say anything in the comics)

[WildOrchid]

phunx wrote...

Isabela: No. You don't want my life.

Merrill: Why?

Isabela: Because you have a good heart, and you deserve better.

This line was perfect, told me so much about Isabela.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ailith430 wrote...

She ordered those slaves drowned first, and then freed those slaves second. Seems likely she was feeling guilty and tried to make amends, which seems entirely within her character to me.

Freed them into one of the most dangerous and Barren places in Thedas.

I think its classic Izzy eitherway.

[Star fury]

WildOrchid wrote...

phunx wrote...

Isabela: No. You don't want my life.

Merrill: Why?

Isabela: Because you have a good heart, and you deserve better.

This line was perfect, told me so much about Isabela.

Isabela should've added that Merrill could do with brains too in order to be a pirate captain. I mean Varric "paid money to get protection for Merril" in the alienage. But it would be somewhat harsh.

[Raging Nug]

You also have to remember that Isabella isn't exactly a reliable narrator. She does a great deal of lying in DAII, particularly in Acts I and II, so we can't really take her account of what happened all too seriously.

[Star fury]

simfamSP wrote...
How does that make Merril dumb? Naive and innocent, yes, and that's why she'd fall for a trap/ambush by thugs. The alieanage probably gets raided every night. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that ****s like Vaughan aren't prancing around for some elven 'see you next tuesday.'

Merrill's pursuit of eluvian by all means necessary including blood magic was pretty dumb. She also would be raped and/or killed in the first night in the alienage in any realistic circumstances. But Varric "paid money" lulz.

Modifié par Star fury, 15 septembre 2013 - 03:36 .

[leaguer of one]

Raging Nug wrote...

You also have to remember that Isabella isn't exactly a reliable narrator. She does a great deal of lying in DAII, particularly in Acts I and II, so we can't really take her account of what happened all too seriously.

More of the case that the slave killing and slave freeing happen at different time. She says this in the comic.

[Heidenreich]

The events are separate slave-trafficking events. It's specifically stated within the comics.

Event one: Isabela is carying slaves. They dump the slaves.

Event two: Isabela finds out she's carying slaves. She frees them due in part to Event One and the guilt of it and newfound beliefs against slavery.


Thus it is neither inconsistent of her character, nor in the timeline. She did the thing, felt guilty, and when she figured out she was doing the thing again she made the choice not to do the thing a second time.

[Han Shot First]

Jaison1986 wrote...

Fixed the title. Happy now?

Anyway, regarding to Isabela, it's just something that haves too much of an impact on her character to be left out in the game. If you metagame, she is an murderer that took a lot of innocent lifes just to save her skin. Just because she felt bad about it and tried to do the right thing later won't change the monstrous deed she committed. And selling her out to the Arishok seems to be an very well deserved fate now.

No offense, but did you miss the parts in DA:O or DA2 where it was said that Isabela is a pirate?

It shouldn't come as a shock then, that she has committed murder. After all, that is what pirates do. They are the bandits and highwaymen of the sea. They board other ships or raid towns and steal whatever they can get their thieving hands on. When the militia, sailors or villagers resist the attempt at armed robbery, pirates commit murder.

When townspeople and villagers hid their belongings in advance of a pirate raid, pirates weren't above using torture to get them to reveal the hiding places. One of the most popular methods of torture used by the buccaneers was called woolding. It involved tying a knotted rope around a victim's head and continually tightening it until the pressure forced the victim's eyes out of their sockets. They were also fond of flaying or burning victims alive, until they revealed where the treasure was hidden. Following the sack of one town, L'Olonnais, an infamously cruel French buccaneer nicknamed the 'Flail of the Spanish' cut open the chest of a Spanish prisoner with his cutlass for refusing to reveal a path through the jungle that would allow him to avoid pursuing Spanish soldiers. Tearing out the poor man's heart and gnawing on it in front of other Spanish prisoners, L'Olonnais warned, "I will serve you all alike, if you show me not another way."

Even without the reveal that Isabela dumped slaves into the drink, it should come as no surprise that she has committed murder and possibly other heinous crimes, as that is part of the job description for a pirate.

[In Exile]

Isabella is not a very good person. The first contact she introduces you to is a former raider. Of the pillaging sort. The sacking ships sort. As an old friend. And what do you think she used to do for people like Castillon on a semi-regular basis?

[Xilizhra]

In Exile wrote...

Isabella is not a very good person. The first contact she introduces you to is a former raider. Of the pillaging sort. The sacking ships sort. As an old friend. And what do you think she used to do for people like Castillon on a semi-regular basis?

Well, he says it was "just smuggling and petty thievery," and mentioned that extortion, murder and kidnapping were steps down, so he doesn't seem to have been that much of a ship-sacker.

[Ryzaki]

hhh89 wrote...

Gave her to the qunari, then. Nobody is forcing you to like her or save her.

This or just don't recruit her in the first place. You can do the same exact thing with Sten.

[LobselVith8]

Star fury wrote...

Isabela should've added that Merrill could do with brains too in order to be a pirate captain. I mean Varric "paid money to get protection for Merril" in the alienage. But it would be somewhat harsh.

It would also make absolutely no sense since Merrill is intelligent and is capable of defending herself.

[Angrywolves]

If you give Isabela to the Qunari she eventually escapes.
Her inconsistencies are nothing compared to Anders.
My view is the character inconsistent or is the write?
I think it's the writer/writing.

[leaguer of one]

Angrywolves wrote...

If you give Isabela to the Qunari she eventually escapes.
Her inconsistencies are nothing compared to Anders.
My view is the character inconsistent or is the write?
I think it's the writer/writing.

Ander's is not inconsistent. He just had a spirit in him that will not allow him  change. If you rival Ander's you'll see this.
Amd Isabela is not inconsistant.