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[crimzontearz]

leaguer of one wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

That still raises the question.

In DA2, she CLEARLY has regrets about something...what exactly could that be for a character that didn't have any problems abouty what she did with the Tome OR a character who had no regrets about freeing the slaves in her 2nd encounter...

So what would make such a character have regrets?

if the devs wanted us to know should they not have had that info in the main game as opposed to the expanded material?

You do understand that the character don't have to tell us everything about themselves in game or out.
Charcter growth should not count in game only.

if I lack a piece of info about her growth that can change my entire perspective on the character/contradicts what she directly states in the game because it is locked away in the extended material I call that bad story telling.

But it does not change anything about her character. Her character is the same, it just gives a reason why she acts the way she does.

by contradicting what she said before/making her a liar or otherwise making her character unpalatable/icky to some

it is still bad story telling

[Ryzaki]

wolfhowwl wrote...

I always knew Isabela was a scumbag but this is something else.

The promiscuous pirate comic relief of DA2 actually turns out to be a complete monster with the loveable rogue act being just a sociopath's facade and the dullard Hawke falls for it.

Very amusing.

If you romanced her go take a shower.

Well Hawke being a terrible judge of character isn't news.

(not agreeing with the sociopath bit just Hawke falling for someone's facade is typical). This is the same person who regardless of choice let's Tallis run off with the Qunari scroll.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 04:22 .

[The Hierophant]

leaguer of one wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Just headcannon it that she lied because she's ashamed of her murder of the slaves. iirc she even killed her contact to prevent him from mentioning it.

It's not an inconsistancy. It's two differnet events.

True. She still told a half truth to Hawke as she made it seem like she quit transporting after her first discovery of her cargo being slaves.

[Han Shot First]

I don't think Isabela is a sociopath at all. If she were a sociopath she'd be entirely without empathy, which isn't the case. She is clearly haunted by the decision to toss the slaves overboard, and it leads to her freeing slaves the next time they end up as her 'cargo.'

It is a misconception that only sociopaths or psychopaths are capable of committing acts of cruelty. Otherwise quite normal people can be capable of it under the right circumstances. I think the phrase banality of evil could be applied to Isabela's participation in the slave trade, and probably to countless acts of robbery and murder she has committed on the high seas.

[Star fury]

Han Shot First wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

I hate to say this...but I think we can blame a combiantion of One piece and Jack sparrow.

Jack sparrow especially has probably changed many people's image of what a pirate is..indeed, when I played DA2, I can easily see the jack sparrow influence on her character....

As an aside, if Orlais is in civil war, does this mean slavers are making a literal killing? My impression from reading the comics was that the orlesian navy actively hunted down pirates/slavers but if there's a civil war going on....

Captain Blood was "thief and pirate". That doesn't stop him from being admired by generations of readers. Pirates always have a romantic fleur. Isabela is an example of that too.   

He does have a point though that a romanticized view of what pirates actually are might also be playing a role in people being shocked that she did awful things. They might have viewed her as more Jack Sparrow than Henry Morgan, while the comics revealed her to me more similar to the latter.

Morgan is actually not the worst among pirates, l'Olonnais was a real monster. She's definitely more like Peter  Blood or captain Jack Sparrow, Bioware should've shown her other side more.  

[Commander Kurt]

I understand that her character was obviously viewed differently in the game by different people, and perhaps this is to be expected..? But can we at least agree that since so many people saw this in the game it wasn't really bad writing? I mean, they have to place the bar somewhere and there are times when I don't get something as well. Doesn't make it bad writing.

Regarding this info being shared outside the games, it is quite likely that the dev's didn't see it as a huge revelation (many of the fans didn't either, mind you). And we can't really expect them to not share anything at all about the characters in the books/comics, so... Yeah.

I think it's unfortunate that some people feel that Isabella is now wildly different, I do. I get the frustration. It's just... These things happen. And I'm guessing that for every person who is bitterly disappointed, there is another who is excited that some of the characters can't be taken at face value. I enjoy Isabella because real life people are actually this complex. They sometimes hide things they aren't proud of, they save their own skin when push comes to shove.

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I have read the comics. Isabela does show that she's grown as a character, but she only admits to her past under direct interrogation and threat of being turned into a videthari-bas. She seemed perfectly in character to me.

Ah, there you go. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

[The Elder King]

@Jedi master of orion: as far as I know, she was tricked that time on transporting slaves, she didn't usually do those type of traffic.

D4eaming: I don't defend her for what she did in the past. The point is that she already did a big terrible thing in Act2, so I already knew who she is (not to mention that I already suspected something like that happened). Unless you think that just because they were slaves what she did to the was worse than what she did to Kirkwall.

Plus, we already have one LI that doesn't even care about slaves (Morrigan think is a good idea to let the mage in the alienage go in exchange of sacrificing the slaves for power yourself), we have two LI that probably killed innocents in their work (Zevran and Leliana), and we have a LI that is the trigger for a world war, and he's directly responsible for the deaths of the innocent mages (children included) in Kirkwall (Anders). The LI standard isn't exactly high.

Modifié par hhh89, 17 septembre 2013 - 07:24 .

[Bleachrude]

Ok...I'll keep harping on this...

In DA2, we know that Isabela has regrets.

Given we know that she has no problem killing anyone that attacks her, had no problem making off with the Tome AND didn't regret freeing the slaves when she found out the 2nd time and until she falls in love with Hawke if romanced, she has no regrets in her love life.

So exactly what do you think would make such a character have regrets?

[frankf43]

leaguer of one wrote...

frankf43 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

People can change, you know.
Isabela was quite shaken by what she did; and was so ashamed of it she was willing to kill in cold blood; and when the same situations presented itself, she couldn't go through with it. David Gaider himself said that Isabela knows what it's like to regret one's past.
It's not character inconsistency, it's character development.

Not from that you can't. To commit mass murder on that scale you have to either be a Psychopath or pure evil. Either way there is no coming back from that. The character in the game had no evidence that she could or would commit such a despicable act.

Then you clearly don't understand people. It's not about what you do it's about intent.  It you have to choose between letting a 100 here dies to save 1000 then your still a mass murder in your book.

Allowing a hundred to die so you could save a thousand no. But giving the order to physically throw a hundred people off of a boat no matter how many it save is still mass murder.

[Urazz]

Jaison1986 wrote...

So here is the thing. When you meet Isabela, she says when she worked with Castillon she discovered that he was smuggling slaves, and she decided to free them because even as an pirate she had her limits. However now in Those who speak, Isabela is shown to actually know that she was transporting slaves, and the time she freed them was not the first. The first time she transported slaves, she got chased by the Orlesian ships and ordered that the slaves were tossed in the sea to make the ship lighter, and they were all left to drown.
I can't be helped but to think this is just way too cruel and brutal for Isabela. It just feel OOC for her to do something like that.

You are assuming that those two stories are the same instance and not separate instances.  I was thinking the slave dumping thing happened first and after that she felt guilty and the next time she discovered she was transporting slaves for Castillon, she freed them instead of dumping them because she grew from that last situation.

[wright1978]

Commander Kurt wrote...

I understand that her character was obviously viewed differently in the game by different people, and perhaps this is to be expected..? But can we at least agree that since so many people saw this in the game it wasn't really bad writing? I mean, they have to place the bar somewhere and there are times when I don't get something as well. Doesn't make it bad writing.

Regarding this info being shared outside the games, it is quite likely that the dev's didn't see it as a huge revelation (many of the fans didn't either, mind you). And we can't really expect them to not share anything at all about the characters in the books/comics, so... Yeah.

I think it's unfortunate that some people feel that Isabella is now wildly different, I do. I get the frustration. It's just... These things happen. And I'm guessing that for every person who is bitterly disappointed, there is another who is excited that some of the characters can't be taken at face value. I enjoy Isabella because real life people are actually this complex. They sometimes hide things they aren't proud of, they save their own skin when push comes to shove.

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I'd find it quite odd if they didn't think something that ties directly to her character arc in DA2 wouldn't be a big revelation.

I don't expect them to not share anything new in new mediums but i would hope they wouldn't attempt to spice up the stuff that is already a major part of the game material/ game character arcs & if true really should have been revealed there. Next up no doubt the revelation that Aveline deliberately infected Wesley with the taint to get rid of him because that wouldn't affect her DA2 character arc at all.

p.s it doesn't change my love for Isabela as a character as just think it was an addition that shouldn't have occurred after the fact(da2) in a secondary medium.

[frankf43]

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't think Isabela is a sociopath at all. If she were a sociopath she'd be entirely without empathy, which isn't the case. She is clearly haunted by the decision to toss the slaves overboard, and it leads to her freeing slaves the next time they end up as her 'cargo.'

It is a misconception that only sociopaths or psychopaths are capable of committing acts of cruelty. Otherwise quite normal people can be capable of it under the right circumstances. I think the phrase banality of evil could be applied to Isabela's participation in the slave trade, and probably to countless acts of robbery and murder she has committed on the high seas.

I never said that she had to be a psychopath. I said that she was either a psychopath or pure evil. That is the only reason somebody could  or order the death of a hundred unarmed and helpless men, women and children.

And this is not just an act of cruelty. Pulling the legs of spiders is cruelty. this is unadulterated brutality.

[frankf43]

Urazz wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

So here is the thing. When you meet Isabela, she says when she worked with Castillon she discovered that he was smuggling slaves, and she decided to free them because even as an pirate she had her limits. However now in Those who speak, Isabela is shown to actually know that she was transporting slaves, and the time she freed them was not the first. The first time she transported slaves, she got chased by the Orlesian ships and ordered that the slaves were tossed in the sea to make the ship lighter, and they were all left to drown.
I can't be helped but to think this is just way too cruel and brutal for Isabela. It just feel OOC for her to do something like that.

You are assuming that those two stories are the same instance and not separate instances.  I was thinking the slave dumping thing happened first and after that she felt guilty and the next time she discovered she was transporting slaves for Castillon, she freed them instead of dumping them because she grew from that last situation.

No he's not he made it clear that the two instances were different.

[Commander Kurt]

wright1978 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Regarding this info being shared outside the games, it is quite likely that the dev's didn't see it as a huge revelation (many of the fans didn't either, mind you). And we can't really expect them to not share anything at all about the characters in the books/comics, so... Yeah.
.

I'd find it quite odd if they didn't think something that ties directly to her character arc in DA2 wouldn't be a big revelation.

I don't expect them to not share anything new in new mediums but i would hope they wouldn't attempt to spice up the stuff that is already a major part of the game material/ game character arcs & if true really should have been revealed there. Next up no doubt the revelation that Aveline deliberately infected Wesley with the taint to get rid of him because that wouldn't affect her DA2 character arc at all.

p.s it doesn't change my love for Isabela as a character as just think it was an addition that shouldn't have occurred after the fact(da2) in a secondary medium.

I'm betting everything she's done, basically the life she's led, before we meet her in DA2 all ties directly to her character arc. What I think is that they felt they had told us enough to know the character and that this is fine as "extra".

Is this still about the new info changing her character? I can't really say any more about that then I already have; Many people found the same character in the game. If you didn't then I feel for you, but it doesn't mean it wasn't there. It just means it wasn't clear to everyone (and nothing is ever clear to everyone).

Stuff that is already a major part, are you refering to her regrets? Because we never learned in-game why she hated her former life so much, but we do know that she did (or rather, that she didn't wish it on anyone good). Telling us why isn't really "spicing it up", it's just... telling us.

I do see your point, but the books/comics will be pretty bland if they can't reveal anything about returning characters who are in them. I don't read them myself, but I do understand that what I'm passing up is a chance to get to know these characters better, spend more time with them. It doesn't bother me that their motivations will be clearer for those who read this material, if I want to know more about them I'll read it too.

[crimzontearz]

Commander Kurt wrote...

I understand that her character was obviously viewed differently in the game by different people, and perhaps this is to be expected..? But can we at least agree that since so many people saw this in the game it wasn't really bad writing? I mean, they have to place the bar somewhere and there are times when I don't get something as well. Doesn't make it bad writing.

Regarding this info being shared outside the games, it is quite likely that the dev's didn't see it as a huge revelation (many of the fans didn't either, mind you). And we can't really expect them to not share anything at all about the characters in the books/comics, so... Yeah.

I think it's unfortunate that some people feel that Isabella is now wildly different, I do. I get the frustration. It's just... These things happen. And I'm guessing that for every person who is bitterly disappointed, there is another who is excited that some of the characters can't be taken at face value. I enjoy Isabella because real life people are actually this complex. They sometimes hide things they aren't proud of, they save their own skin when push comes to shove.

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I have read the comics. Isabela does show that she's grown as a character, but she only admits to her past under direct interrogation and threat of being turned into a videthari-bas. She seemed perfectly in character to me.

Ah, there you go. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

bad writing? No, Bad storytelling? Yep

[wright1978]

Commander Kurt wrote...


I'm betting everything she's done, basically the life she's led, before we meet her in DA2 all ties directly to her character arc. What I think is that they felt they had told us enough to know the character and that this is fine as "extra".

Is this still about the new info changing her character? I can't really say any more about that then I already have; Many people found the same character in the game. If you didn't then I feel for you, but it doesn't mean it wasn't there. It just means it wasn't clear to everyone (and nothing is ever clear to everyone).

Stuff that is already a major part, are you refering to her regrets? Because we never learned in-game why she hated her former life so much, but we do know that she did (or rather, that she didn't wish it on anyone good). Telling us why isn't really "spicing it up", it's just... telling us.

I do see your point, but the books/comics will be pretty bland if they can't reveal anything about returning characters who are in them. I don't read them myself, but I do understand that what I'm passing up is a chance to get to know these characters better, spend more time with them. It doesn't bother me that their motivations will be clearer for those who read this material, if I want to know more about them I'll read it too.

No i don't really view it as changing Isabela's character & as i said she's still a favourite character of mine

Her coming to terms with the actions that led to her to be shipwrecked is what i was referring. The fact that they've now revealed this big hidden motivation behind her actions which should be within the game arc imo.  It does seem spicing up imo as it's twisting a known event by spicing it up with new info.

[Han Shot First]

Star fury wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

I hate to say this...but I think we can blame a combiantion of One piece and Jack sparrow.

Jack sparrow especially has probably changed many people's image of what a pirate is..indeed, when I played DA2, I can easily see the jack sparrow influence on her character....

As an aside, if Orlais is in civil war, does this mean slavers are making a literal killing? My impression from reading the comics was that the orlesian navy actively hunted down pirates/slavers but if there's a civil war going on....

Captain Blood was "thief and pirate". That doesn't stop him from being admired by generations of readers. Pirates always have a romantic fleur. Isabela is an example of that too.   

He does have a point though that a romanticized view of what pirates actually are might also be playing a role in people being shocked that she did awful things. They might have viewed her as more Jack Sparrow than Henry Morgan, while the comics revealed her to me more similar to the latter.

Morgan is actually not the worst among pirates, l'Olonnais was a real monster. She's definitely more like Peter  Blood or captain Jack Sparrow, Bioware should've shown her other side more.  

L'Olonnais was indeed a monster, perhaps the cruelest of all the buccaneers. That's actually why I mentioned Morgan instead. Morgan could be cruel but wasn't a sadist, and for that reason I think he was probably a better comparison for Isabela. Morgan had people tortured to reveal where they had hidden away their gold and once had his men use Spanish priests as human shields in attacking a Spanish town. (the more pious among the Spanish soldiers and militia would be afraid to shoot, as murdering a priest might condemn them to hell) His men also torched Panama City after sacking it. Those are all things I think Isabela would have been capable of.

Besides cutting the heart out of a man and gnawing on it to frighten other prisoners, L'Olonnais also once beheaded the entire crew of a Spanish ship sent to capture him, except one who was spared to pass on L'Olonnais warning that, "I shall never henceforth give quarter to any Spaniard whatsoever." It was a promise he apparently kept, and his men routinely butchered the crews of ships they captured. I think those sorts of activities are too cruel for Isabela.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 septembre 2013 - 05:18 .

[leaguer of one]

crimzontearz wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

I understand that her character was obviously viewed differently in the game by different people, and perhaps this is to be expected..? But can we at least agree that since so many people saw this in the game it wasn't really bad writing? I mean, they have to place the bar somewhere and there are times when I don't get something as well. Doesn't make it bad writing.

Regarding this info being shared outside the games, it is quite likely that the dev's didn't see it as a huge revelation (many of the fans didn't either, mind you). And we can't really expect them to not share anything at all about the characters in the books/comics, so... Yeah.

I think it's unfortunate that some people feel that Isabella is now wildly different, I do. I get the frustration. It's just... These things happen. And I'm guessing that for every person who is bitterly disappointed, there is another who is excited that some of the characters can't be taken at face value. I enjoy Isabella because real life people are actually this complex. They sometimes hide things they aren't proud of, they save their own skin when push comes to shove.

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I have read the comics. Isabela does show that she's grown as a character, but she only admits to her past under direct interrogation and threat of being turned into a videthari-bas. She seemed perfectly in character to me.

Ah, there you go. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

bad writing? No, Bad storytelling? Yep

Seriously, I don't even think you would know bad story telling if it bit you. That's not bad story tell at all.

[leaguer of one]

Bleachrude wrote...

Ok...I'll keep harping on this...

In DA2, we know that Isabela has regrets.

Given we know that she has no problem killing anyone that attacks her, had no problem making off with the Tome AND didn't regret freeing the slaves when she found out the 2nd time and until she falls in love with Hawke if romanced, she has no regrets in her love life.

So exactly what do you think would make such a character have regrets?

She did regret taking the tome and much of her comments with other people shows she has regrets. The thing is she hide those feeling.

[leaguer of one]

crimzontearz wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

That still raises the question.

In DA2, she CLEARLY has regrets about something...what exactly could that be for a character that didn't have any problems abouty what she did with the Tome OR a character who had no regrets about freeing the slaves in her 2nd encounter...

So what would make such a character have regrets?

if the devs wanted us to know should they not have had that info in the main game as opposed to the expanded material?

You do understand that the character don't have to tell us everything about themselves in game or out.
Charcter growth should not count in game only.

if I lack a piece of info about her growth that can change my entire perspective on the character/contradicts what she directly states in the game because it is locked away in the extended material I call that bad story telling.

But it does not change anything about her character. Her character is the same, it just gives a reason why she acts the way she does.

by contradicting what she said before/making her a liar or otherwise making her character unpalatable/icky to some

it is still bad story telling

It contradicts nothing.  It just gives a reason why she act in a certin way. She never she she never was a part of the slaver bisness. All she says is she now avoides it.  She did not lie about, she just did not tell you. Add this is a character who already had done horrible things any way. 
tHIS IS NOT BAD STORY TELLING.

[crimzontearz]

leaguer of one wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

I understand that her character was obviously viewed differently in the game by different people, and perhaps this is to be expected..? But can we at least agree that since so many people saw this in the game it wasn't really bad writing? I mean, they have to place the bar somewhere and there are times when I don't get something as well. Doesn't make it bad writing.

Regarding this info being shared outside the games, it is quite likely that the dev's didn't see it as a huge revelation (many of the fans didn't either, mind you). And we can't really expect them to not share anything at all about the characters in the books/comics, so... Yeah.

I think it's unfortunate that some people feel that Isabella is now wildly different, I do. I get the frustration. It's just... These things happen. And I'm guessing that for every person who is bitterly disappointed, there is another who is excited that some of the characters can't be taken at face value. I enjoy Isabella because real life people are actually this complex. They sometimes hide things they aren't proud of, they save their own skin when push comes to shove.

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I have read the comics. Isabela does show that she's grown as a character, but she only admits to her past under direct interrogation and threat of being turned into a videthari-bas. She seemed perfectly in character to me.

Ah, there you go. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

bad writing? No, Bad storytelling? Yep

Seriously, I don't even think you would know bad story telling if it bit you. That's not bad story tell at all.

it is because it is
1 quite important
2 presented in another medium


when will you understand that writing and presentation of such writing are two separate things and their being "good" is not interdependent on each other?

[esper]

Bleachrude wrote...

This discussion raises another point...

Gamers complain that games talk down to them and that games assume people are idiots, but we clearly here have people that think the game lied to them yet others (myself included) think everything revealed was more than hinted at by the game itself...

So what is a developer to do?

(I am not personally shocked by this revaltion, but I still feel the need to comment on this).

DO NOT MAKE THESE BOOKS/COMICS.

Some information should be in the game or not be at all.

[Ironic Discordia]

frankf43 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't think Isabela is a sociopath at all. If she were a sociopath she'd be entirely without empathy, which isn't the case. She is clearly haunted by the decision to toss the slaves overboard, and it leads to her freeing slaves the next time they end up as her 'cargo.'

It is a misconception that only sociopaths or psychopaths are capable of committing acts of cruelty. Otherwise quite normal people can be capable of it under the right circumstances. I think the phrase banality of evil could be applied to Isabela's participation in the slave trade, and probably to countless acts of robbery and murder she has committed on the high seas.

I never said that she had to be a psychopath. I said that she was either a psychopath or pure evil. That is the only reason somebody could  or order the death of a hundred unarmed and helpless men, women and children.

And this is not just an act of cruelty. Pulling the legs of spiders is cruelty. this is unadulterated brutality.

There's something inherently funny about people arguing over how evil a pirate is. I mean, honestly. She steals things and murders people as a career, but this one act makes her pure evil. As pointed out, Isabela is neither a sociopath nor a psychopath; she does feel bad about some of the things she's done, particularly throwing slaves overboard. Yes, taking on slaves and then killing them when you're about to get caught is awful. I'm still surprised by how many people are shocked that she'd do such a thing, because pirates are historically known for doing awful things. (And Dragon Age doesn't exactly shy away from the awful things people do.)

A person doesn't have to be 'pure evil' to decide to do what Isabela did. They just have to value their own lives more than the lives of others. Already being a murderer and criminal probably helps. I'm not saying what she did was acceptable, but there's very little Isabela does that is acceptable. She's a criminal. As a character, however, her motivations are understandable.

Isabela: Orlesians hang slavers. We needed to escape, but Devon had packed the hold so tight - We were too slow. I tried. I tried so many things, but ships are ships and the sea is the sea, and the Orlesians were gaining. I wasn't going to die - not like that. We had to dump the cargo. The slaves could have overwhelmed us, but they didn't know what was happening. It wasn't all together - they came one, two at a time . . . I . . . told myself they were better off beneath the sea than wearing collars.
Rassan: You did not make them slaves.
Isabela: I made them dead. I threw them over like crates of apples. Who does that? I swore I'd never traffic slaves again. The next time someone tricked me into it, I freed the lot of them. But the money I owed after all that . . . it was more than I could earn through raiding. My creditors were getting impatient - so I took the worst job ever to steal your stupid Tome of Koslun.
Rassan: You exchange debt for debt, to survive in a land that makes murderers of innocents. But it is not too late for redemption.
Isabela: I don't believe that.

Those Who Speak: Volume 2

[leaguer of one]

crimzontearz wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

I understand that her character was obviously viewed differently in the game by different people, and perhaps this is to be expected..? But can we at least agree that since so many people saw this in the game it wasn't really bad writing? I mean, they have to place the bar somewhere and there are times when I don't get something as well. Doesn't make it bad writing.

Regarding this info being shared outside the games, it is quite likely that the dev's didn't see it as a huge revelation (many of the fans didn't either, mind you). And we can't really expect them to not share anything at all about the characters in the books/comics, so... Yeah.

I think it's unfortunate that some people feel that Isabella is now wildly different, I do. I get the frustration. It's just... These things happen. And I'm guessing that for every person who is bitterly disappointed, there is another who is excited that some of the characters can't be taken at face value. I enjoy Isabella because real life people are actually this complex. They sometimes hide things they aren't proud of, they save their own skin when push comes to shove.

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I have read the comics. Isabela does show that she's grown as a character, but she only admits to her past under direct interrogation and threat of being turned into a videthari-bas. She seemed perfectly in character to me.

Ah, there you go. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

bad writing? No, Bad storytelling? Yep

Seriously, I don't even think you would know bad story telling if it bit you. That's not bad story tell at all.

it is because it is
1 quite important
2 presented in another medium


when will you understand that writing and presentation of such writing are two separate things and their being "good" is not interdependent on each other?

"1 quite important"
It does not change anything about the character.This also is not bad story telling.

"2 presented in another medium"

This also does not make it bad story telling because it's not presented in a place you want it to be.

What you are not understanding is what media is used to present a story does not change the quality of the story tell. The difference between a game and the comic book is just how one interacts with it. That does not change the quality of the story.
You learning about the characters past does not change who the character is now. You may change in opinion of said character but the character will still act the same as they are now. If the character is regretfull of said action and vows not to do it again the being angry or not with said character about it changes nothing.

This is not bad story telling.