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[Xplode441]

In Exile wrote...
She seemed pretty creepy in ME1 to me. Her first or second conversation was about how totall by the way it's not bestiality or weird for humans to sleep with asari. 

I don't know anything about that, I pretty much forgot she existed except for after we kill her mother in ME1.  Never talked to her in ME1, and when I did in cutscenes I was just a dick to her.  Worst part about her character was that she never stood up for herself, she just apologized after I told her to sit the hell down and not to voice her opinion.

[KaiserShep]

Don't argue with the guy that killed a krogan battlemaster and a complement of geth.

[Eterna]

I thought she was a good friend. But I can see how some people could get annoyed with her constantly being shoved in your face.

[YourFleshIsMine]

Well she did become the shadow broker in the mean time. I think the tone of ME3 is generally more depressive and self-defeatist. Liara is no exception in there. I wouldn't say that her devotion to Shepard has actually changed as such, but I do think she's had a big dose of reality bites and finds it hard to believe that the reapers can be defeated at all and that makes her rather conflicted in that sense.

[BronzTrooper]

Most of the characters took idiot pills in ME3. The few that didn't were Garrus, Tali, Joker, Anderson, Hackett, and Samara. At least, it didn't seem like they took idiot pills...

[KaiserShep]

Joker used up all of his idiot pills in the intro of ME2.

[shodiswe]

cap and gown wrote...

Actually, I like her more. It seemed to me many of the actors grew into their role as the series progressed. Anderson got much better. Liara stopped sounding so flighty. Udina is the only one who stands out as not improving his acting.

In Udina's case I think it's more about the "role" he was given.
Persoanly I would have loved to keep him alive to show him he was wrong and a huge failure and a traitor and let him soak it in in his jail cell instead of letting him think he's dying a marture or something.

Shoot him in the arm or hand instead of the head, seriously, it's not that much harder. When people are concerned about missing they go for the torso.

He had no armor or shielding so it shouldn't have been that hard to disarm him for someone like Shepard.

It would also have allowed you to have him questioned, even if his knowledge might have been limited it might have given you something. Udina would certainly have pickedup on something he isn't a complete idiot even if his actions sometimes make you uncertain.


As for Liara, I guess it's the maturing she has done over the last few years... Considering all she's been through it's a miracle she hasn't lost her mind completely. (PTSD soldier in the Huerta medical)

Modifié par shodiswe, 15 septembre 2013 - 09:49 .

[Rusty Sandusky]

I'm just sitting here waiting for this to devolve into a Liara bashing thread, I have to say I'm disappointed. Also, I didn't mind ME3 Liara, not my favourite character but she doesn't deserve the bile hatred thrown upon her.

[shodiswe]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

I'm just sitting here waiting for this to devolve into a Liara bashing thread, I have to say I'm disappointed. Also, I didn't mind ME3 Liara, not my favourite character but she doesn't deserve the bile hatred thrown upon her.

Most of the hatred commes from the people who didn't get as much time with their loveinterest as they think the Liara people got. They would have wanted their special "person" to have taken Liaras place.

[KaiserShep]

shodiswe wrote...
In Udina's case I think it's more about the "role" he was given.
Persoanly I would have loved to keep him alive to show him he was wrong and a huge failure and a traitor and let him soak it in in his jail cell instead of letting him think he's dying a marture or something.

Shoot him in the arm or hand instead of the head, seriously, it's not that much harder. When people are concerned about missing they go for the torso.

He had no armor or shielding so it shouldn't have been that hard to disarm him for someone like Shepard.

It would also have allowed you to have him questioned, even if his knowledge might have been limited it might have given you something. Udina would certainly have pickedup on something he isn't a complete idiot even if his actions sometimes make you uncertain.

I'd have no problem with Udina managing to survive the ordeal and remaining in critical, but I would have a problem with Shepard actually attempting to simply disable him with a firearm, because that would be a terrible idea. If Udina points his gun at either Shepard or anyone else, the only option is to use lethal force. Anything less could seriously endanger the person you were trying to save. Of course, in a space opera, all sorts of things go, but this is one of those things that I'm glad they didn't mess with.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 15 septembre 2013 - 10:02 .

[zed888]

She was best in ME1 when she was nerdy and had that hot one-eyed squint.

[shodiswe]

In a story with multiple loveinterest possibilities it might be a good idea to keep a story driving character as non-romancable. Like Anderson or Hacket.

Though in a way, most romancable characters were imporant in driving their stories onward.
Garrus and the turians, Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)
Other love interests were kind of on the sidelines since there were so many stories that they needed to tidy up that there wasnät room for more.
I think there should have been one more game before defeating the Reapers(Catalyst). Doing all of that in one game doesn't seem reasonable and made it feel rushed.
It became more like checking of a checklist of things. Especialy priority earth which feelt more like an afterthought that needed to be done to end the story.

The thing that probably annoyed the non-Liara romancers is that Liara was there throughout all of the game except the prologue on earth, and then she was there for the rest of the game giving you a lot of Liara content even if it wasn't necessarily Romance content. She gave you upgrades through Glyph, and more lines than any other romanacable character even if a lot of it was story related and not romance related.

I can see how Ashley fans were dissapointed seeing as the most noteworthy event she had on the normandy was her getting drunk on the floor. She woudl have small comments on thigns, but never got involved with the rest of the crew or thigns that were happening and almost seemed like she should have been elsewhere helping Hacket instead and doing her part as a spectre instead of watchign the stars and getting drunk.

I sent Ash to Hacket on one playthrough, not because I disliked he but because  wanted to try it out.
Tbh, it sounded like she did a good job with Hacket and helped people, which is almsot better than keeping here tucked away under Shepard shadow.

Modifié par shodiswe, 15 septembre 2013 - 10:13 .

[KaiserShep]

The transition between 2 and 3 pretty much ensured that content for characters you romance at the trilogy's midpoint got the short end of the stick, since all of them can die, and Shepard is forced to return to earth because of either the Arrival or the "sh** you've done", which I think was a mistake to have in the story at all.

[andy6915]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

I'm just sitting here waiting for this to devolve into a Liara bashing thread, I have to say I'm disappointed. Also, I didn't mind ME3 Liara, not my favourite character but she doesn't deserve the bile hatred thrown upon her.

So sorry for not just mindlessly bashing Liara in the opening post to make it likely to become a bash thread, I'll do better next time. /sarcasm

Seriously, I like Liara and I'm glad that this thread hasn't devolved into a bashing thread. I think me making it clear I don't hate the character and being level headed and reasonable in the first post helped to keep this thread on a good course.

[Ruadh]

She was different in ME3. It was almost like she developed as a character and was reacting to the galaxy wide war erupting around her. Bah.

Asides from my snark though, I preferred her in ME3. She had some brilliant moments. My personal favourite was in Sheps quarters with the time capsule, I found it both sweet and heartbreaking. But, you know, opinions and all that.

[cap and gown]

shodiswe wrote...


I can see how Ashley fans were dissapointed seeing as the most noteworthy event she had on the normandy was her getting drunk on the floor.

. . .

I sent Ash to Hacket on one playthrough, not because I disliked he but because  wanted to try it out.
Tbh, it sounded like she did a good job with Hacket and helped people, which is almsot better than keeping here tucked away under Shepard shadow.

How could you?! That drunk-on-the-floor scene is what finally endeared me to Ash. Up to that point I didn't like her. Suddenly she seemed more sympathetic, more "human." If I had Ash survive Virmire I would certainly have her back on the Normandy. But yes, her dialogue needed to beefed up big time. (I think Kaiden suffers from the same problem, doesn't he? He only has one more interactive dialogue than Ashley.)

[Zazzerka]

zed888 wrote...

She was best in ME1 when she was nerdy and had that hot one-eyed squint.

I have a folder full of .jpgs named "Liara squint." I kid you not.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 15 septembre 2013 - 10:28 .

[wolfhowwl]

Disgusting.

[The Don's Hound]

Zazzerka wrote...

zed888 wrote...

She was best in ME1 when she was nerdy and had that hot one-eyed squint.

I have a folder full of .jpegs named "Liara squint." I kid you not.

Not sure if creepy. Or if just perverted. 

[Zazzerka]

Haha. I don't have to justify myself to you wolf people.

[shodiswe]

cap and gown wrote...

shodiswe wrote...


I can see how Ashley fans were dissapointed seeing as the most noteworthy event she had on the normandy was her getting drunk on the floor.

. . .

I sent Ash to Hacket on one playthrough, not because I disliked he but because  wanted to try it out.
Tbh, it sounded like she did a good job with Hacket and helped people, which is almsot better than keeping here tucked away under Shepard shadow.

How could you?! That drunk-on-the-floor scene is what finally endeared me to Ash. Up to that point I didn't like her. Suddenly she seemed more sympathetic, more "human." If I had Ash survive Virmire I would certainly have her back on the Normandy. But yes, her dialogue needed to beefed up big time. (I think Kaiden suffers from the same problem, doesn't he? He only has one more interactive dialogue than Ashley.)

It was the best part, and feelt like the only part of it, her breaking up on the floor.

I think the game had issues filling out all the content that they were trying to push into the game, part of it was that they were trying to fast forward far too many events and tying up far too many thing in just one game.
ME1 set the stage. ME2 while very entertaining and a good story imo took a sidestep from the main story. And then in ME3 they atempted to do all the storytellign at the same time and end the "trilogy".
Given the state of things after ME2 they would have needed one more game to tell the story well. Priority earth was just tucked on at the end to end the story it feelt like, I don't think it was finished.
Some of the level design was nice but it would have needed a lot more work and it feelt like the whole story was rushed along including characters.
That said it was a good game that contained a lot of good content and characters.

ME3 should have been two games instead of one.

Modifié par shodiswe, 15 septembre 2013 - 10:47 .

[The Don's Hound]

Zazzerka wrote...

Haha. I don't have to justify myself to you wolf people.

We're the wolf people. Right. I'll sleep on that while you ****** to your weird eye thing 

[Zazzerka]

Whitefang131 wrote...

We're the wolf people. Right. I'll sleep on that while you ****** to your weird eye thing

Son, I've seen you post in the My Little Pony thread.

[Rusty Sandusky]

Zazzerka wrote...

Whitefang131 wrote...

We're the wolf people. Right. I'll sleep on that while you ****** to your weird eye thing

Son, I've seen you post in the My Little Pony thread.