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[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

[The Don's Hound]

Zazzerka wrote...

Whitefang131 wrote...

We're the wolf people. Right. I'll sleep on that while you ****** to your weird eye thing

Son, I've seen you post in the My Little Pony thread.

Abusive uncle, I've only done so to troll. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Zazzerka wrote...

Whitefang131 wrote...

We're the wolf people. Right. I'll sleep on that while you ****** to your weird eye thing

Son, I've seen you post in the My Little Pony thread.

:lol:Good comeback

[rashie]

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Why would you destroy the geth at rannoch when they help the quarians with their immune systems so they wont need environmental suits if peace is achieved? It puts the quarians in a better place afterwards then simply nuking them while destroy ending gets rid of them anyway in the end.

Modifié par rashie, 15 septembre 2013 - 11:19 .

[Sir DeLoria]

rashie wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Why would you destory the geth at rannoch when they help the quarians with their immune systems so they wont need environmental suits if peace is achieved? It puts the quarians in a better place afterwards then simply nuking them while destroy gets rid of them anyway in the end.

The Quarians will eventually be able to walk other planets without suits, the Geth would've just speeded up the process. But the progress they made in two or three weeks can only have been minimal. Destroying the Geth is a nice symbolical event.

[Display Name Owner]

I never disliked her personally. But by the end of the series, by ME2 even, it feels like she became this 'omni-character'. She's supposed to be a somewhat meek, studious, mild loner type. Suddenly she's a badass. Now I can understand that characters change over time, but it doesn't even feel that coherent. It feels more like she becomes a hardened soldier type when it suits the story, and that is kind of irksome.

I guess her character shift was just taken a stretch too far.

[Br3admax]

rashie wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Why would you destroy the geth at rannoch when they help the quarians with their immune systems so they wont need environmental suits if peace is achieved? It puts the quarians in a better place afterwards then simply nuking them while destroy ending gets rid of them anyway in the end.

Thanks for not even answering the question asked of you. Go on and answer it. 

[General TSAR]

It always leads to the Toasters Vs. Quarians argument.

Anyway, I dislike the forced friendship with the creepy tentaclehead in ME2(HUGS?! Really? How about a Renegade Interrupt to not hug the stalker?) and in ME3(when Shep's eyes light up when he first sees her on Mars and I have to console her and not give her a "Suck it up princess, this is total war" speech after the fall of Thessia. )

I liked how in ME1 you can be a complete ass to her, and even recruit her at the very last moment, I like Shepard's asschewing if you go renegade on Liara after she explodes.

Modifié par General TSAR, 15 septembre 2013 - 02:01 .

[rashie]

Br3ad wrote...

rashie wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Why would you destroy the geth at rannoch when they help the quarians with their immune systems so they wont need environmental suits if peace is achieved? It puts the quarians in a better place afterwards then simply nuking them while destroy ending gets rid of them anyway in the end.

Thanks for not even answering the question asked of you. Go on and answer it. 

I am aware of what the Geth did in ME1 with those abandoned ships with husks and the offensive in the armstrong nebula, but all those where heretics as they had both husk spikes and plenty of husks to go with it and that is reaper technology. There is no non heretic geths that did anything in ME1 and to top it off it was the Quarians that sparked the original conflict by responding with violence, hatred and fear to a machine gaining sentience. Geth earlier then that where only defending their own territory and had not been seen outside the veil in hundreds of years.

Modifié par rashie, 15 septembre 2013 - 02:18 .

[Sir DeLoria]

rashie wrote...

I am aware of what the Geth did in ME1 with those abandoned ships with husks and the offensive in the armstrong nebula, but all those where heretics as they had both husk spikes and plenty of husks to go with it and that is reaper technology. There is no non heretic geths that did anything in ME1 and to top it off it was the Quarians that sparked the original conflict by responding with violence, hatred and fear to a machine gaining sentience.

The Geth slaughtered hundreds of millions of Quarian and non-Quarian civilians in the Morning War. Sure, the Quarian governement might have sparked the conflict, but that excuses none of the attrocities the Geth committed in the Morning War. I'm going back to my comparision with the Germans in WW2. Even if they hadn't started the war, they would've still been responsible for slaughtering millions of civilians.

The Geth deserve to be rightfully punished.

[Sir DeLoria]

Dextro Milk wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Ignore Shodiswe, he has reduced mental capacity and comes up with the most insane conspiracy theories within Mass Effect.

Yeah, evidently:lol:

[Br3admax]

rashie wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

rashie wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Why would you destroy the geth at rannoch when they help the quarians with their immune systems so they wont need environmental suits if peace is achieved? It puts the quarians in a better place afterwards then simply nuking them while destroy ending gets rid of them anyway in the end.

Thanks for not even answering the question asked of you. Go on and answer it. 

I am aware of what the Geth did in ME1 with those abandoned ships with husks and the offensive in the armstrong nebula, but all those where heretics as they had both husk spikes and plenty of husks to go with it and that is reaper technology. There is no non heretic geths that did anything in ME1 and to top it off it was the Quarians that sparked the original conflict by responding with violence, hatred and fear to a machine gaining sentience. Geth earlier then that where only defending their own territory and had not been seen outside the veil in hundreds of years.

Hahaha, this post has so much geth propaganda that I can smell it. Killing everything that comes near you is not defending yourself. Second, geth consensus is all lies. You can keep believing it all you want, but that was just something put there to sway Shepard to the geth's side. If you want to keep believing contradictory evidence, then go right ahead.

[Bossnormandy]

 I attribute Liara's personality change to her becoming the Shadow Broker..she's too busy with too many secrets to be sensitive and weak anymore..perhaps you could say she "grew up". I've never romanced her but for my Shepard I always viewed her as a good friend who I could trust. Plus, in ME 3 she had some great lines, like "good to see you Shepard"


Are you guys sure Talimancers destroyed the Geth because they wanted to put the Quarians on top? I'd argue it was because Tali and Legion were getting a bit too friendly towards each other 

(EDIT: formatting...)

Modifié par Bossnormandy, 15 septembre 2013 - 03:08 .

[Hazegurl]

SNascimento wrote...

Xplode441 wrote...

In ME1 she was the awkward nerdy girl and that's why people liked her. Then they made Tali the awkward nerdy girl romance so they shifted Liara to creepy stalker heroine.

Liara has the worst character development in the franchise. It just make no sense whatsoever. She goes from being the naive archeologist to super agent and Shadow Broker. 

Most of the time I found her ok, but there are those moments that I just can't stand. Memory is a treachery thing, so correct me if I'm wrong. But there is one part in Mars, where the VS go to find a radio or something and you are in a room with Liara and she comments how the VS have grow and became capable. WhoTF is Liara to say something like that? What does she knows about being an soldier or an field agent. But we have to accept that she does. Really, there are like 4 teammates across the game that I would accept saying something like that, but Liara saying it would be like Tali doing it.

But while Tali remains true to what she is, Liara doesn't.

There is another part where she say something about helping the Crucible team with some advance mathematics or something, but it was not her speciality. And I was like: why should she even know anything about that stuff? 

I agree, if I take away the annoying ME1 romance bug. Liara was actually okay to talk to in ME1 and I didn't mind her being a naive archeologist. The game had its quota of "badasses" so Liara being one was not needed.  I played my Shepard as renegade all the way through the series so meeting up with Liara in ME2 made her come across as a poser trying to be on par with Shepard because of her obvious affection for him. Then in ME3, it took a creepy turn and she just seemed desperate to be the "one" for Shepard. I also had an issue with her talking about the VS. Kaidan is an alliance soldier who has shown his capablities since ME1. Although I admit my judgement is cloudy because I was planning on romancing Kaidan in ME3 so Liara came across as jealous, bitter, and making snide comments. Like Kaidan was just sooo useless before.

Basically, I think the writers focused more on marketing the Liara character than developing her naturally so she's just all over the place and doesn't come across with the same consistency and genuine feeling as Tali or Kaidan. 

[rashie]

Br3ad wrote...

Hahaha, this post has so much geth propaganda that I can smell it. Killing everything that comes near you is not defending yourself. Second, geth consensus is all lies. You can keep believing it all you want, but that was just something put there to sway Shepard to the geth's side. If you want to keep believing contradictory evidence, then go right ahead.

It is defending yourself attacking those entering your territory when you dont want them there, if they where to follow it up with offensive operations it would be a entirely different case.

Geth consensus being a lie, if we are going to refer to how elements of the story is being told ingame as lies there's no point having a discussion anyways.

[Br3admax]

Bossnormandy wrote...
Are you guys sure Talimancers destroyed the Geth because they wanted to put the Quarians on top? I'd argue it was because Tali and Legion were getting a bit too friendly towards each other 

The world is so clear to me now. 

[Br3admax]

rashie wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Hahaha, this post has so much geth propaganda that I can smell it. Killing everything that comes near you is not defending yourself. Second, geth consensus is all lies. You can keep believing it all you want, but that was just something put there to sway Shepard to the geth's side. If you want to keep believing contradictory evidence, then go right ahead.

It is defending yourself attacking those entering your territory when you dont want them there, if they where to follow it up with offensive operations it would be a entirely different case.

No. We don't just blow up something just because it enters into our terriotry. That doesn't make sense/

Geth consensus being a lie, if we are going to refer to how elements of the story is being told ingame as lies there's no point having a discussion anyways.

When a side mission contradicts itself within the first four minutes of it, and it's all a virtual reality, I'm inclined to believe that it's a lie. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Bossnormandy wrote...
Are you guys sure Talimancers destroyed the Geth because they wanted to put the Quarians on top? I'd argue it was because Tali and Legion were getting a bit too friendly towards each other 

Legion? What Legion? You mean that stupid Geth I shot in the Cerberus HQ?

[Bossnormandy]

Necanor wrote...

Bossnormandy wrote...
Are you guys sure Talimancers destroyed the Geth because they wanted to put the Quarians on top? I'd argue it was because Tali and Legion were getting a bit too friendly towards each other 

Legion? What Legion? You mean that stupid Geth I shot in the Cerberus HQ?

Pre-emptive strike...I like how you think.

Back on topic: some of you do make a good point - Liara is a good "nerdy girl" in the first game and wish they would have kept her more like that.

[shodiswe]

Necanor wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Ignore Shodiswe, he has reduced mental capacity and comes up with the most insane conspiracy theories within Mass Effect.

Yeah, evidently:lol:

Ofcourse, it would have to degrade to an attack on me as a person. I guess that's all you got left after we got the statistics saying the largest group of people let the Quarians die at Rannoch. Even more people let the Quarians die than the amount of people who made peace. It's just a fact.
There is also no basis to your claim, I played ME1, I didn't kill the Geth.
But why am I wastign my breath, I'm not talking to a community member, but someone who's just trying to dish out personal insult towards my reallife person.

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[Wynterdust]

Statistics mean very little. Two thirds of players never had Wrex yet he's a popular character, and that Liara and James have a surprisingly high death rate considering the only way they can die. Probably down to the fact that a number of players started with ME3. That also means peace isn't possible and geth survival just happens to be the top right answer. It's not like some casual players just skip through the conversations picking the top right answer all the time right?


How a Liara thread moved on to yet another geth vs quarian thread is baffling though.
To answer the original question. No, I thought she was better in ME3. Her character change made her one of my favourites personally.

Modifié par Wynterdust, 15 septembre 2013 - 04:37 .

[Dieb]

Liara, huh?

She's pretty badass and a trustworthy friend.

Carry on.

[andy6915]

People, drop the Geth Quarian sh!t, I don't want it in my thread and it's about as off topic as you can get. Save it for the million other threads dedicated to that.

Modifié par andy69156915, 15 septembre 2013 - 05:50 .