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[mupp3tz]

andy69156915 wrote...

People, drop the Geth Quarian sh!t, I don't want it in my thread and it's about as off topic as you can get. Save it for the million other threads dedicated to that.

Preach, brotha. Anyway, yeah, I'm sticking by my other post. LotSB Liara was the best for me. The character design was nice and it was when she showed the most personality. She started standing up for herself, was concerned about a friend vs. the usual "Shepard is #1!", had some funny moments, had some badass moments, and the scene after defeating the Shadow Broker was ace. Particularly so as a Liara mancer.

[TheMyron]

Nevertheless, ALL romances should have been brought up to Liara's level, and the "Interaction Freedom" should of stayed the way it was in the first two games.

[Br3admax]

andy69156915 wrote...

People, drop the Geth Quarian sh!t, I don't want it in my thread and it's about as off topic as you can get. Save it for the million other threads dedicated to that.

You're in the wrong fourm friend. You knew it would come to this.

Anyway, as to TheMyron, wut "Interaction Freedom?" 

[Melbella]

ginner dave wrote...

She was different in ME3. It was almost like she developed as a character and was reacting to the galaxy wide war erupting around her. Bah.

Asides from my snark though, I preferred her in ME3. She had some brilliant moments. My personal favourite was in Sheps quarters with the time capsule, I found it both sweet and heartbreaking. But, you know, opinions and all that.

I like that scene also, but was extremely disappointed when it wasn't any different for a romanced Liara. Left me feeling like something was missing.

[Dextro Milk]

shodiswe wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

Necanor wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

 Tali and the Quarians (which kind of made talimancers choose the Quarians and most others pick the Geth because the Quarians were the agressors)

What? Why would only Talimancers destroy the Geth? Anyone who played ME1 should know what kind of sh*t the Geth have done and I'm not talking about the Heretics.

Ignore Shodiswe, he has reduced mental capacity and comes up with the most insane conspiracy theories within Mass Effect.

Yeah, evidently:lol:

Ofcourse, it would have to degrade to an attack on me as a person. I guess that's all you got left after we got the statistics saying the largest group of people let the Quarians die at Rannoch. Even more people let the Quarians die than the amount of people who made peace. It's just a fact.
There is also no basis to your claim, I played ME1, I didn't kill the Geth.
But why am I wastign my breath, I'm not talking to a community member, but someone who's just trying to dish out personal insult towards my reallife person.

37% of people let the quarians die. 27% of people let the geth die. 36% of people made peace.

37% is not majority when taking into account the other options people picked and the outcomes from those options Shodiswe, learn some basic maths and look at the bigger picture.

If someone ate 37% of my pizza... they only have 37% of the pizza... there is still over 50% of pizza in the box. The quarians were not killed off by "majority" of players.

Also, your "theories" are indeed insane, with no evidence to back them. Please gtb.

[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...
Ofcourse, it would have to degrade to an attack on me as a person. I guess that's all you got left after we got the statistics saying the largest group of people let the Quarians die at Rannoch. Even more people let the Quarians die than the amount of people who made peace. It's just a fact.
There is also no basis to your claim, I played ME1, I didn't kill the Geth.
But why am I wastign my breath, I'm not talking to a community member, but someone who's just trying to dish out personal insult towards my reallife person.

You're making the wildest assumptions here. It's just pretty funny.

Btw, the statistics mean absolutely nothing. These stats aren't counting individual players, but playthroughs. Casual players might only play the game once, but others might play it ten times. I know a lot of Quarian fans who destroyed the Flotilla in one playthrough, just to see what responses they get. Since the peace option is in place, you don't get a clear view anyway. As far as I can remember, most BSN polls were about 50/50 on the issue.

Even if the stats were in any way accurate, they're pretty old by now, we have no way in knowing how they changed in the meantime.

Modifié par Necanor, 15 septembre 2013 - 07:26 .

[18 Brains]

I think Liara seems a bit off in the third one, yeah. She's more jaded, and it shows that she has built as a character. Her emotion as a whole seemed a little detached, and she was angrier at times, but I think it went to show the stresses of what she was trying to do wearing on her. Especially after Thessia.

Having not romanced her in the third, I'm not sure how it might have been different to me than the previous games. The vibe I got from her in the 3rd is that they would probably lose, but why not give it a try? With her talk of back-up plans and the what-ifs, and her witnessing what occurred around them, I felt she lacked spirit in comparison to the 1st and 2nd. Though the "realistic" attitude she had in the 3rd was interesting, I did prefer the optimism ("blind optimism," as Garrus said) she and the rest of the crew had in the previous two.

[wolfhowwl]

rashie wrote...
Why would you destroy the geth at rannoch when
they help the quarians with their immune systems so they wont need
environmental suits if peace is achieved? It puts the quarians in a
better place afterwards then simply nuking them while destroy ending
gets rid of them anyway in the end.

Metagaming is a sin, fyi.

Br3ad wrote...
Second, geth consensus is all lies.

No. Nothing from Bioware's last several games leads me to believe that was intended to be taken as anything other than what happened. But if you think it was a rather hamfisted attempt at "balancing" peoples views of the factions I would agree.

TheMyron wrote...
Nevertheless, ALL romances should have been brought up to Liara's level

Perhaps but that would probably involve axing many of the romances introduced in ME2. Bioware chose to spread themselves very thin and it showed.

Necanor wrote...
As far as I can remember, most BSN polls were about 50/50 on the issue.

BSN polls are much less reliable than Bioware's official stats. The people on this board are not representative of the wider fanbase. Remember how loud the femshep brigade was here and then Bioware's telemetry showed only 18% played as her, yeah.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 15 septembre 2013 - 08:49 .

[Br3admax]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Second, geth consensus is all lies.

No. Nothing from Bioware's last several games leads me to believe that was intended to be taken as anything other than what happened. But if you think it was a rather hamfisted attempt at "balancing" peoples views of the factions I would agree.

It's all total lies and bad writing. The whole situation with the Widow in it ruined it for me. That and others, but really that. Especially sense the description of it in ME3 specifically calls it a geth weapon, not to mention it's research project in ME2, and that it was modifiied to not break a nonsynthetic's arm goes to show that BioWare has crap writing and liars for robots. 

[In Exile]

Br3ad wrote...
It's all total lies and bad writing. The whole situation with the Widow in it ruined it for me. That and others, but really that. Especially sense the description of it in ME3 specifically calls it a geth weapon, not to mention it's research project in ME2, and that it was modifiied to not break a nonsynthetic's arm goes to show that BioWare has crap writing and liars for robots.  

If only they read more quarian fan-fiction. 

[wolfhowwl]

A lot of the writing around the Geth and Quarians is pretty bad, the writing on Quarian immune system is downright nonsensical. Besides not being how immune systems work, we're told they are so weak Quarians have to wear suits all the time but then in ME2 Tali can have sex with an alien before a critical mission with no ill effects just by taking an herbal supplement, LOL!

Flying around in the decaying Migrant Fleet makes no sense when they could simply find a single moon and build habitats.

Whatever, Bioware clearly just wanted an excuse to shoehorn in a bargain basement Battlestar Galactica knockoff.

[andy6915]

And the Geth-Quarian sh!t continues. Wonderful...

[Sir DeLoria]

StreetMagic wrote...

I can forgive all of that myself. It's entertaining enough for me. What I don't like is how instrumental Shepard is in solving it. It's a bit too much "Lawrence of Arabia" to me.. i.e. The Great White Human Hope. The Krogan story nearly steps into the same territory, but Wrex and Eve are legit in their own right. And Wreav at least acts like he's doing everything himself. So it works better for me. That's why I wished people like Reegar (or even Xen, depending on your choices) stood out more. Quarians need some high profile badasses of their own.

Yes, but I can forgive that because I love Lawrence of Arabia. I did really miss Quarian Animal Mother however:(

[Mcfly616]

Nope....


Let's be honest, she'll never again be that naive girl next door-type from ME1.

But she was the worst in ME2, by far (she's not alone in that department). A total departure from who she was. No character progression whatsoever. She went from one extreme (in ME1) to another (in ME2). In fact, she's not even the same character, other than the fact that she's and Asari named Liara.


If anything ME3 brought back some of the innocence of the character. It was basically a balance between the first 2 games.

[Bossnormandy]

I will quote this to try to help your thread get back on track

andy69156915 wrote...

I can't even put my finger on why, but I don't like her as much in ME3. She used to be one of my favorite characters and one of my favorite romance choices, but something about her in ME3 makes that no longer the case. Her voice is different in a weird way, less high pitched and too... Serious, I guess? Hard to explain. I don't like how ridiculously dark blue, I preferred her LotSB skin tone. She's more hypocritical (to Banshees: "Those were people, this is horrible", to other types of husks: "Whatever, they're just mindless enemies you need to kill"). She's less upbeat. She's more secretive (EDI and Shepard even say this in-game). She somehow seems less close to you when romanced compared to other characters and how her romanced self was in the other 2 games (and yet is too close to you when she isn't romanced).

I guess bottom line, she just doesn't feel like Liara anymore. I know, character development. But somehow everyone else feels like the same character even if they had changed a bit throughout the series (even crazy **** to loving teacher Jack), while Liara seems like someone completely different.

With regards to your first sentence, I didn't like a lot of the characters in 3 as much as I did in 2 (or 1 if they were around for the entire trilogy).

I chalk it up to, at first she's a naive archaeologist. Then she goes with Shepard, learns how messed up the world is, and now is crushed by the burden/stress of being the Shadow Broker. Her character does progress, but in a very odd way (as opposed to Miranda, no progression). If I were in her shoes, I'd be less upbeat as well..

In defense of her being bothered by killing Banshees...they used to be Asari so I can't really blame her for finding that more troubling than killing husks. I think it brought the horrors of exactly what the reapers were doing home for Liara when she saw her OWN race being monster-fied.

[Barquiel]

Liara's writing in both LotSB and ME3 is a huge improvement over her dialogue in ME1 (not to mention vanilla ME2), imo. While I like Drew as a story writer, he doesn't have Chris L'Etoile's or Patrick Weekes' flair for character writing...and despite being a Liara fan, I wasn't completely happy with ME1 Liara. For example, the constant fainting was really unnecessary. Once was fine (after Therum), but every time was a little annoying. I do still find myself wondering if Drew had Liara's role across the entire trilogy planned out when he originally created her character, her break the cutie arc arguably began the second she met Shepard and left Therum.

Anyway, I love how Patrick Weekes and Sylvia Feketekuty developed the character in LotSB and ME3. The old Liara was still there, but under other layers that had to be peeled away...some good writing here. The only thing that bothered me about her in ME3 was the "romance lock in" dialogue.

[RZIBARA]

Why are you people turning this into another Geth vs Quarian thread?

If you want to argue, go make a thread about it, but there is no need to derail this thread. No one gives two damns about why you love the quarians so much and why you hate the Geth.

NO ONE CARES

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Barquiel wrote...

The only thing that bothered me about her in ME3 was the "romance lock in" dialogue.

Yep, that and her role as the SB in 3.

Which was actually kind of a big deal since it made everything in 2 utturely irrelevant.

[Br3admax]

RZIBARA wrote...

Why are you people turning this into another Geth vs Quarian thread?

If you want to argue, go make a thread about it, but there is no need to derail this thread. No one gives two damns about why you love the quarians so much and why you hate the Geth.

NO ONE CARES

You've mellowed during the ban I can see. 

Everything is a geth quarian debate. You knew this would come to this. 

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Why are you people turning this into another Geth vs Quarian thread?

If you want to argue, go make a thread about it, but there is no need to derail this thread. No one gives two damns about why you love the quarians so much and why you hate the Geth.

NO ONE CARES

You've mellowed during the ban I can see. 

Everything is a geth quarian debate. You knew this would come to this. 

lol, its not my fault you can't see one thread not get turned into this. I dont mind threads made about it, but dont derail one that has nothing to even do with geth or quarians 

[andy6915]

Barquiel wrote...
The only thing that bothered me about her in ME3 was the "romance lock in" dialogue.

Yeah, that was weird. She and you make it clear the relationship is still ongoing practically right after meeting on Mars, and the game aknowledges that for the rest of the game... Until that conversation, where she's acting like you're just friends again. I understand why the lock-in is needed (gives you a chance to change your mind), but I wish hers could have been written better. Kaidan's lock-in if you never cheated on him makes sense to your relationship in the rest of ME3, Garrus' does, Tali's is perfect with how the lock-in is right there in the first ME3 conversation with her, not sure about Ashley's because I've never romanced her through a full trilogy run... Liara's is the only one that feels disjointed or disconnected.

Ah well, that was just a minor thing to me. A bit weird, yeah, but ignorable.