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[JCAP]

Many say that because Tevinter is ruled by mages, they will help the mages. But will they?

I don't think so. Even if they are mages, why would they help them fight the templars? Just because they share magic abilities? Shouldn't the magisters see them as possible rivals? And besides, they are fighting the Qunari.

I think the Tevinter is just like the Thalmor in Skyrim. They just want that this war takes too long and when it's over, the countries will be too weak to defend themselves (I think that the normal armies are going to help the templars).


What are your thougths on the matter?

[LobselVith8]

Tevinter isn't interested in mage autonomy; the Magisters rule there, and even mages can be slaves of the Imperium. They could see a mage rebellion as a burgeoning rival in the making to their society. Unless they think they can persuade the mages to serve under the auspices of Tevinter (which is unlikely for many who abhor slavery), I don't see the Imperium as an automatic ally.

[Friera]

I read somewhere (can´t remember the source) that we will go to Tevinter to either calm down the slaves before an uproar, or fight with them againt the magisters. (which would be awesome!)
Could even imagine Fenris being there, starting the whole ting.

[LobselVith8]

Friera wrote...

I read somewhere (can´t remember the source) that we will go to Tevinter to either calm down the slaves before an uproar, or fight with them againt the magisters. (which would be awesome!)
Could even imagine Fenris being there, starting the whole ting.

A choice to side with or against the leaders of Tevinter? Fighting against the Magisters (as a Dalish or Qunari Inquisitor)? Helping the slaves of the Imperium? I really like the sound of that. Though I don't think Tevinter would be safe for Fenris.

[Friera]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Friera wrote...

I read somewhere (can´t remember the source) that we will go to Tevinter to either calm down the slaves before an uproar, or fight with them againt the magisters. (which would be awesome!)
Could even imagine Fenris being there, starting the whole ting.

A choice to side with or against the leaders of Tevinter? Fighting against the Magisters (as a Dalish or Qunari Inquisitor)? Helping the slaves of the Imperium? I really like the sound of that. Though I don't think Tevinter would be safe for Fenris.

I really like the sound of helping the slaves in Tevinter. (and maybe Fenris was the one who started the whole slave independence war or something along those lines) I´d love to kick some Magisters ass (which would also be interesting if, in fact, Dorian is one of the companions.

That being said, I found the soure. It was on DA Wiki, and I think I misinterpredet it. It says; Along with the larger size of the game map, the player will be able to travel to countries such as Tevinter to calm or encourage the fighting.

Im sorry.

[Drasanil]

I don't think Tevinter would feel any particular sort of sympathy for the rebelling mages. Aren't their circles just as, if not more, brutal than the official chantry ones with only the Magisters having any real kind of power or independence? 

As for a slave-rebellion, could be interested, I'll probably go for a Dalish [= first so I'm kind of hoping there's a middle choice. Like cutting a deal to free the elven slaves and letting everyone else rot. Similar to what my Dalish Mage (yes I used a mod) did in DAO, she decided to purge the circle to deny humans vital magic assets and make her people relatively stronger :bandit:

Modifié par Drasanil, 15 septembre 2013 - 01:42 .

[Angrywolves]

Darrah mentioned Tevinter in an interview.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

It wouldn't surprise me if Tevinter at least offered refuge for the homeless mages.

[DarthLaxian]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tevinter isn't interested in mage autonomy; the Magisters rule there, and even mages can be slaves of the Imperium. They could see a mage rebellion as a burgeoning rival in the making to their society. Unless they think they can persuade the mages to serve under the auspices of Tevinter (which is unlikely for many who abhor slavery), I don't see the Imperium as an automatic ally.

mages are not slaves in Tevinter - yes, not all of them are magisters, that is true, but slaves? - i don't think so (we know of at least one - elven! - slave that was freed because she had magic (Fenris's sister!) and became the apprentice of a magister!)

as for automatic allies:

yes and no - yes because of them valuing magic (meaning any mage who wants to join up with the Imperium is welcome IMHO), again yes, because they would want the other nations distracted (not getting ideas of attacking Tevinter - and weakening the white-chantry is an added bonus)...

as for no: they would not want to endanger their own hides (meaning being seen as officially helping), they have their own problems (slave-rebellions, qunari to fight etc.)

so all in all, i would say it depends on firstly the leadership (is the risk worth the potential rewards?), the magisters themselves (i can easily see some magisters helping, while others just stand-by and watch) and the global situation (if the qunari are quiet for once, then i could see Tevinter taking the risk of helping out in the war) and the type of help the mages would want from them (knowledge, some training etc. can be provided easy enough, but sending an army and providing money etc. is not that easy IMHO)

greetings LAX

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 15 septembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[Medhia Nox]

@ManchesterUnitedFan1: If by "refuge" you mean: Concentration camps where mages are disseminated in various groups based on aptitude and then shipped off to serve under Magisters.

[DarthLaxian]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@ManchesterUnitedFan1: If by "refuge" you mean: Concentration camps where mages are disseminated in various groups based on aptitude and then shipped off to serve under Magisters.

yeah, paint all the magisters as powerhungry Dickwads...*shakes his head*

even if that is all we saw of the imperium for now, we don't know enough to be certain they would do something like that (at least not to fellow mages, we know they value magic above everything else!)

and we know - from the comics - that there are magisters that are not like that (the one Varric knew because she was married to someone related to him!)

greetings LAX

[LobselVith8]

DarthLaxian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tevinter isn't interested in mage autonomy; the Magisters rule there, and even mages can be slaves of the Imperium. They could see a mage rebellion as a burgeoning rival in the making to their society. Unless they think they can persuade the mages to serve under the auspices of Tevinter (which is unlikely for many who abhor slavery), I don't see the Imperium as an automatic ally.

mages are not slaves in Tevinter - yes, not all of them are magisters, that is true, but slaves? - i don't think so (we know of at least one - elven! - slave that was freed because she had magic (Fenris's sister!) and became the apprentice of a magister!)

You are mistaken. Varania wasn't freed from slavery for being a mage. Fenris freed his family from slavery; he fought so they could be free. There's also the enslavement of the Arlathan elves who wielded magic.

[Sir JK]

I do think Tevinter will involve itself if it can. It's in Tevinter's interests to keep the White Chantry and the Orlesian empire destabilized. It's a chance to move things out of Orlais sphere of influence (and into Tevinters). Whether it is the Imperium as a whole or just individual magisters however, I cannot now.

They'll primarily aid the mages I think. Partly because they feel they have a slight kinship towards them and partly because I suspect that despite everything, the mages are the faction with the least resources available (and thus the ones in the most need of aid). If the mages, for some reason, would have the upper hand, even if just locally, I would not put it past individual magisters from providing the templars with Lyrium however. Possibly anonymously.

Their assistance will not come for free though. Even if they don't demand it up front. The mages (and/or templars) might need it... but accepting anything from Tevinter is likely a devil's bargain.

Oh... and let's not forget that the destabilisation the war provides is excellent opprtunity for some slavegrabbing. Greed will be a powerful motivator for that side of Tevinter to get involved if nothing else.

[JCAP]

Sir JK wrote...

I do think Tevinter will involve itself if it can. It's in Tevinter's interests to keep the White Chantry and the Orlesian empire destabilized. It's a chance to move things out of Orlais sphere of influence (and into Tevinters). Whether it is the Imperium as a whole or just individual magisters however, I cannot now.

They'll primarily aid the mages I think. Partly because they feel they have a slight kinship towards them and partly because I suspect that despite everything, the mages are the faction with the least resources available (and thus the ones in the most need of aid). If the mages, for some reason, would have the upper hand, even if just locally, I would not put it past individual magisters from providing the templars with Lyrium however. Possibly anonymously.

Their assistance will not come for free though. Even if they don't demand it up front. The mages (and/or templars) might need it... but accepting anything from Tevinter is likely a devil's bargain.

Oh... and let's not forget that the destabilisation the war provides is excellent opprtunity for some slavegrabbing. Greed will be a powerful motivator for that side of Tevinter to get involved if nothing else.

I really doubt that part.

[Sifr]

I can imagine that the Imperium will likely be involved in an behind the scenes capacity, selling weapons and supplies to the Mage Rebellion in order to destabilise neighbouring countries, but not openly get involved in the fighting themselves. That way, they can reap the benefits while appearing to be neutral.

I doubt they actually care a whit about the Mages or Templars conflict.

[FireAndBlood]

I think they might send a delegation to advise the rebelling mages, they're probably too busy fighting Qunari to involve themselves completely.

[Kalas Magnus]

I agree with you.

Once the nations are weak from war tevinter will strike. Then they can reclaim their former glory. And people will wish there were more templars around.

[Bigdoser]

Considering the situation at hand I would side with the magisters IMO. If it was anything else slaves.

[Master Warder Z_]

I strongly doubt it.

The Imperium has been pumping the majority of its resources against the Qunari for decades now; The War really never ended for them as it did for the rest of Thedas.

Perhaps the Inquisitor can play some role in that; Although i think it would be ironic in my case.

I am decidedly Pro Templar and my initial play through will most definitely reflect that.

I mean if the reward for breaking the stalemate and allowing the Imperium to finally conquer Sehron is their aid against the Veil tears then it would be tenuous at best i suspect. That said i wouldn't oppose them outright, i don't approve of their mass usage of Blood Mage or Slavery but they are a potent power even more then a thousand years from their peak.

[In Exile]

I don't see why Tevinter would care about the other mages.

[Medhia Nox]

@In Exile: I totally agree. At best - the Non-Tevinter mages would be sorted for the best magi-eugenics breeding.

Their stunted training (if we're to believe the Pro-Mage Hype-machine) would offer little to nothing to the Tevinter Magisters.

And those refugees would still need housing, food, etc.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 septembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[Vit246]

I think Tevinter will be too preoccupied with the Qunari.

[Master Warder Z_]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@In Exile: I totally agree. At best - the Non-Tevinter mages would be sorted for the best magi-eugenics breeding.

They're stunted training (if we're to believe the Pro-Mage Hype-machine) would offer little to nothing to the Tevinter Magisters.

And those refugees would still need housing, food, etc.

Its sort of like what Hawke is told coming into Kirkwall by the Guard Captain.

If you want to be a speical case you have to be speical.

Namely you have to send them a Magic not seen in centuries.

They adore that; They have no qualms against anything giving the Imperium an edge but it has to do that to qualify for speical treatment.

Feynriel was apparently accepted pretty much into the Imperium despite being a  half blood and foreigner to boot.

But he is also a Dreamer Mage which is apparently something as i stated before not seen in a long while.

Perhaps the Inquistitor would qualify for speical treatment as well but who knows.

[thats1evildude]

If Tevinter was involved in the conflict, it would only be to prolong it as long as possible.

It doesn't particularly benefit the Imperium to see the southern nations strong. Even if the Tevinters don't generally aspire to rule the world again, they don't need the hassle of more Exalted Marches being declared against them.

Also, the chaos of war is ripe ground for the slave trade, as we saw in DAO. When the local authorities are pre-occupied elsewhere, who's going to prevent slavers from taking over some small village and putting the inhabitants in chains?

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 septembre 2013 - 10:10 .

[Ziggeh]

I can't see how they could not.

The existence of the Chantry as both a paramilitary organisation in it's own right and a unifying philosophy for the southern nations presents a constant threat.

They wouldn't see free, potentially ruling mages as brothers in arms, because they don't see each other as such: They would see them as competition. Competition upon which they had a major head start.

It's deeply in their interest for mages to win the war. It changes the political structure of the world in their favour. They'd be crazy (in fairness, some of them probably are) not to intervene. Perhaps not militarily, as that presents several risks, but aid and influence would go a long way to strengthening their position.