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[Porslin]

Needless to say, the original ending left me very dissapointed, so i never did do all those 10 additional playthroughs that i gave ME2 (yeah im crazy i guess)

I just finished ME3 today with all DLCS, and the endings are much improved over the first editions. I can actually accept these endings. They could of course have been longer etc and more indepth, but I can use the "Approved" stamp on the ending i got atleast, Destroy with over 7000 War Assets.

I like it, now maybe I can finally do this crazy Renegade-Control playthrough I wanted to do before but didnt bother with...

Thanks to Bioware for listening to the fans so we got this improved ending! And also thanks for the Citadel DLC, that one was amazing!

Looking forward now to Dragon Age 3 and Mass effect 4:wizard:

[Berg]

Yes, I enjoyed ME3, and playing with all the DLC is great. It has grown on more and more as time goes on.

[TheProtheans]

1) Bioware did not listen to the fans.

You can keep your bad opinions, I just wanted to correct you on that point.

[Pressedcat]

Glad you enjoyed your second playthrough more. I also had a gap of several months between my first and second playthroughs and, with the addition of Leviathan, found myself enjoying the experience more. Though not perfect, I think there are more than enough highlights in ME3 to make further playthroughs worthwhile.

[wright1978]

Fair enough if you found the ending tolerable, personally as far as i'm concerned it is an utter trainwreck still.

[Andrew Lucas]

The endings are fine and with all dlc Me3 fells like a more complete game.

[MegaSovereign]

The EC refined the outcomes but the the core problems with its narrative structure are there. I never really expected them to scrap the original endings and start from scratch so for me the EC was the best out of a bad situation.

[jontepwn]

Playing with all the DLC that comes with it Mass Effect 3 is one of the best games ever, imo. No other game pulled as much at my emotions and had such a deep and interesting universe. ME3 has some glaring flaws but it did many more things right than it did wrong. I'm very much looking forward to ME4 and DAI too. :happy:

[mupp3tz]

OP, I agree that the game feels whole when played with all the DLC, but that in itself is troubling for me and clouds my opinion of the base game. That it can't stand on it's own without being very underwhelming is quite sad.

Bioware, you still cool. But after DA2 and ME3, I'm watching you..

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 15 septembre 2013 - 10:16 .

[Iakus]

wright1978 wrote...

Fair enough if you found the ending tolerable, personally as far as i'm concerned it is an utter trainwreck still.

"trainwreck" is particularly apt, given how railroaded they are.

[RZIBARA]

iakus wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Fair enough if you found the ending tolerable, personally as far as i'm concerned it is an utter trainwreck still.

"trainwreck" is particularly apt, given how railroaded they are.

Modifié par RZIBARA, 15 septembre 2013 - 10:23 .

[Rosstoration]

I sort of agree. ME3 feels a lot more complete when played with From Ashes, EC, Leviathan, Omega and Citadel. The ending is still toilet water but it doesn't feel as bare as it did on my first playthrough. Kind of sad really that it needs to be loaded with dlc to feel somewhat decent, unlike MGS:4 which was a perfect way to end a massive video game series, no DLC required.

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Fair enough if you found the ending tolerable, personally as far as i'm concerned it is an utter trainwreck still.

"trainwreck" is particularly apt, given how railroaded they are.

What do you mean by that? Like they don't factor in your choices? 

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Fair enough if you found the ending tolerable, personally as far as i'm concerned it is an utter trainwreck still.

"trainwreck" is particularly apt, given how railroaded they are.

What do you mean by that? Like they don't factor in your choices? 

Shepard, no matter how you role-play it, is basically a death-seeking space maring who is eithre
1) emotionally fragile or
2) p*ssed off


in addition, all but one ending ended in Shepard's definitive death.  One, one ending ends in a lame, ambiguous "or is s/he?" breath scene

Then there's the "pick your atrocity" aspect.  Do you want to slaughter your own allies, enslave the galaxy, or genetically violate every living being in the galaxy.  

Don't like it?  Rocks, fall, everyone dies!  Now reload and pick a color!

Shepard's personlity is largely out of our hands, You are railroaded into doing something awful to the galaxy and in all probability die.  Bioware should be ashamed of themselves for calling this an rpg, and hopefully the next game won't come from the"DM Fiat" school of roleplaying.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Working on a complete playthrough now, with all dlc and ec installed (still haven't played ec). It's a nice, long game. Can't wait until they announce the next one.

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

iakus wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Fair enough if you found the ending tolerable, personally as far as i'm concerned it is an utter trainwreck still.

"trainwreck" is particularly apt, given how railroaded they are.

What do you mean by that? Like they don't factor in your choices? 

Shepard, no matter how you role-play it, is basically a death-seeking space maring who is eithre
1) emotionally fragile or
2) p*ssed off


in addition, all but one ending ended in Shepard's definitive death.  One, one ending ends in a lame, ambiguous "or is s/he?" breath scene

Then there's the "pick your atrocity" aspect.  Do you want to slaughter your own allies, enslave the galaxy, or genetically violate every living being in the galaxy.  

Don't like it?  Rocks, fall, everyone dies!  Now reload and pick a color!

Shepard's personlity is largely out of our hands, You are railroaded into doing something awful to the galaxy and in all probability die.  Bioware should be ashamed of themselves for calling this an rpg, and hopefully the next game won't come from the"DM Fiat" school of roleplaying.

Ah I got ya. I suppose I could see why some people feel as you do. Personally I don't feel the same way, I wish you could like the game as I did.

I'm sorry Iakus, I hope the next Dragon Age game has something for you. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 16 septembre 2013 - 04:01 .

[Slayer299]

OP, I'm glad you liked it a 2nd time around, but I can't say the same...at all. I have 1 1/2 playthroughs, my second stopped on Mars and didn't proceed to the Citadel.

And I find it seriously sad (on Bioware's part, not yours) that it takes Leviathan, Omega, Citadel, From Ashes, EC to push the base game up enough for you to enjoy ME3 now, as that says boatloads to me.

[Iakus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ah I got ya. I suppose I could see why some people feel as you do. Personally I don't feel the same way, I wish you could like the game as I did.

I'm sorry Iakus, I hope the next Dragon Age game has something for you. 

Yeah, MEHEM is the only way I can play ME3.  I tried it with just EC, and got as far as Rannoch before going "What's the point?  This journey is not going anywhere I want to be"  And if the next ME game can't let me at least headcanon that as my ending (or something similar) , I'm not really interested in what comes next.  I have no interest in a galactic society built upon any of the "offiicial" endings as a foundation.  That's not my story.  And that certainly wasn't my Shepard.

As for Dragon Age, yeah, I'm keeping a close eye on it.  So far I'm liking what I'm hearing.  But I could say the same thing about ME3 early in its marketing too.  "You are the Inquisitor.  This is your story" and all that.  So I'm not going to get too hyped about it, and be ready to walk away at the first sign of anything I don't like.

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...
Shepard's personlity is largely out of our hands, You are railroaded into doing something awful to the galaxy and in all probability die.  Bioware should be ashamed of themselves for calling this an rpg, and hopefully the next game won't come from the"DM Fiat" school of roleplaying.

You're discussing two unrelated problems you have with the game, right? The railroading at the end has nothing to do with Shepard's personality; it's just the reality of the situation. (Even pre-EC Shepard wasn't forced to use the Crucible; itr's just that not using it is far worse than the alternatives for most Shepards). We see personality-based railroading at other points in the series, though, notably at the beginning of ME2

And what was that upthread about  Shepard being "death-seeking?"

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...
You're discussing two unrelated problems you have with the game, right? The railroading at the end has nothing to do with Shepard's personality; it's just the reality of the situation. (Even pre-EC Shepard wasn't forced to use the Crucible; itr's just that not using it is far worse than the alternatives for most Shepards). We see personality-based railroading at other points in the series, though, notably at the beginning of ME2

Ignoring the silliness of the surprise conflict thrust on the players, the problem with the ending is that ME isn't reall about that. It's just not the series - 99% of the time - when Harbinger swoops down from the sky to obliterate you with a laser beam. 

For a series that's all power trip, disempowering the player right at the end of the game is just insane as a design decision. 

It's like having a silent hill game end by having the protagonist turn into a super human material artist and rip apart all of the monsters using only bare hands and hadokens. 

[Dubozz]

RZIBARA wrote...

iakus wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Fair enough if you found the ending tolerable, personally as far as i'm concerned it is an utter trainwreck still.

"trainwreck" is particularly apt, given how railroaded they are.

*snip*

I'm the guy with a glass.

[Ieldra]

MegaSovereign wrote...
The EC refined the outcomes but the the core problems with its narrative structure are there. I never really expected them to scrap the original endings and start from scratch so for me the EC was the best out of a bad situation.

Yep, same here. The EC retconned the dark age and gave us images of the future of galactic civilization. That makes it possible to replay the trilogy and leave the game with ambivalent feelings instead of thoroughly depressed, but the core problems remain. I think the most fitting term for those is "thematic and narrative dissonance", a disconnect between everything that happened before Shepard's collapse at the Citadel's control panel and what happened after. 

I've replayed the final mission yesterday for my review thread, and while the game's good points were brought into a sharp focus through the long absence, unfortunately the lingering feeling that Shepard is marching inexorably towards his doom and that everything that came before wasn't worth it because it's all the bad guy's game in the end hasn't lost its sting. The EC makes up for it somewhat, but doesn't make it go away.  

[MstrJedi Kyle]

I still can't bring myself to play it.

[Mcfly616]

TheProtheans wrote...

1) Bioware did not listen to the fans.

You can keep your bad opinions, I just wanted to correct you on that point.

They most definitely did. Maybe they didn't listen to you or me. But they absolutely listened to their fans. No need to correct anybody, seeing as you're the one in the wrong.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

You're discussing two unrelated problems you have with the game, right?

Yes.  Several lines for several things that made ME3 suck for me.

The railroading at the end has nothing to do with Shepard's personality; it's just the reality of the situation. (Even pre-EC Shepard wasn't forced to use the Crucible; itr's just that not using it is far worse than the alternatives for most Shepards).

It's not Shepard's fault, it's Bioware's.  They manipulated the reality, closed off possibilities so the player was forced to choose one of Bioware's "bittersweet" outcomes.

We see personality-based railroading at other points in the series, though, notably at the beginning of ME2

Believe me, I'm not happy with that either.

And what was that upthread about  Shepard being "death-seeking?"

Death Seeker Shepard becomes pretty much a fatalistic, burnt-out badly taumatized soldier with little hope of living past the war (and "This is your Shepard" to paraphrase Mac Walters" ), and just hopes that his/her death will somehow stop the Reapers  The moments where Shepard can show optimism, or a belief that he/she will survive, are few and precious.  Phrases such as the one in my sig.   And I cling to them whenever they crop up.