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[Kataphrut94]

Yeah, I'd have ditched the dreams entirely. Not only were the awkward and hackneyed, but there was no need for them in the first place. The game does a good enough job at tugging at the ol' heartstrings and establishing Shepard as a real human being rather than a walking cliche without resorting to blatant manipulation.

My favorite implementation of the kid thing is during that first conversation with Garrus where Shepard brings him up while talking about the horrors they'd both witnessed. That was well-written, well-acted and well-implemented. For a start, bringing up the kid was a Paragon option, meaning people who still wanted to be a walking cliche weren't forced to acknowledge it. Also, the fact that Shepard is talking about it openly to a friend rather than angsting about it internally is a better fit and in a way makes more sense. It's exactly the sort of thing a pair of veterans would be talking about.

[HurricaneGinger]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Well, let's see...

Akuze (for survivor)
Mindoir (for colonist)
Virmire
The Suicide Mission (If squadmates die)
Dying (at the beginning of ME2)
Torfan (if ruthless)
Elysium (for war hero)
Earth burning

So many different scenarios and we get stuck with a kid we see and talk to once...

This. And the whispers from dead companions was a nice touch...but they should say more, and possibly even accuse Shep of not being able to do enough...if s/he was a Paragon. If s/he was Ruthless, then they'd say s/he was a horrible person. Maybe even interact with a companion or two? Like, pick up a seashell for Mordin, or shoot him according to your alliance.

[DeinonSlayer]

It's funny to think about it: Shepard may well have killed the Rachni in the first game with all the cringe-worthy callous dialogue that goes with it (not referring to the obligatory "Depends on the species, Turian" which follows), shot Mordin, shot Wrex after lying to his face about sabotaging the cure, sold Legion and then enabled its soulless doppleganger to kill seventeen million people as it said it would (without reacting when Tali kills herself), watched Samara kill herself and off'd her daughter... picture THAT Shepard going to pieces over some random kid who got blown up back on Earth.



Shepard may well have instigated the extinction of THREE DIFFERENT SPECIES before Chronos, and THAT'S what (s)he's having nightmares about.

[Br3admax]

If the only child in Mass Effect ever died, you would cry too. He was the first of his kind. The first and the last.

[DeinonSlayer]

Br3ad wrote...

If the only child in Mass Effect ever died, you would cry too. He was the first of his kind. The first and the last.

Reminds me of the Family Guy parody of Return of the Jedi.

Han: "Hey, check it out! It's a chick! The only other chick in the galaxy!"
Leia: "...I don't like her."

[ruggly]

Sugar plum fairies.

[jontepwn]

For me, the kid came of as rather forced. Most of the time all I could think of was the Simpsons quote "Will someone PLEASE think of the children!?". I got an image creep up in the back of my mind of Bioware devs asking "Are you crying yet? How about now?". Just for the simple fact that it is a child yet we know nothing about him. I got the sense that they tried to force too much emotion in the game, so I just ended up not caring at all.

As for changing it, I would've removed the kid, but kept the whispers of lost friends and perhaps some other nuance. Maybe of Shepard dying before he could defeat the reapers, thus dooming the galaxy.

[o Ventus]

iakus wrote...

Any allies who have died over the last three games (the whispers were actually a nice touch in the dreams).

The Collector base

Earth in flames.

The possibility of
The LI dying
The Normandy's destruction
The Reapers winning.
Alternate, (more) disastrous outcomes of Tuchanka, Citadel coup, Rannoch, Thessia, Horizon.

All of this.

[DeinonSlayer]

jontepwn wrote...

For me, the kid came of as rather forced. Most of the time all I could think of was the Simpsons quote "Will someone PLEASE think of the children!?". I got an image creep up in the back of my mind of Bioware devs asking "Are you crying yet? How about now?". Just for the simple fact that it is a child yet we know nothing about him. I got the sense that they tried to force too much emotion in the game, so I just ended up not caring at all.

As for changing it, I would've removed the kid, but kept the whispers of lost friends and perhaps some other nuance. Maybe of Shepard dying before he could defeat the reapers, thus dooming the galaxy.

Could show dead squadmates walking towards you, then husk-ifying as they approached and turning into ash. Something like that.

[Steelcan]

I am still of the opinion that they should be scrapped entirely.

Throughout the whole game "forced emotion" was a very prevalent issue, the dream sequences and Thessia fallout are just the most noticeable examples.

Really this kind of characterization of Shepard should either be left alone or done in conversation options. However we are all aware of the state of the dialogue wheel in ME3, too cumbersome my ass.

[RZIBARA]

Steelcan wrote...

I am still of the opinion that they should be scrapped entirely.

Throughout the whole game "forced emotion" was a very prevalent issue, the dream sequences and Thessia fallout are just the most noticeable examples.

Really this kind of characterization of Shepard should either be left alone or done in conversation options. However we are all aware of the state of the dialogue wheel in ME3, too cumbersome my ass.

i think dreams should be kept, assuming they are done correctly.

iakus' ideas would have been great IMO. Having shepard care about his crew isnt a bad thing, even for a renegade. Even Javik did

[Steelcan]

RZIBARA wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I am still of the opinion that they should be scrapped entirely.

Throughout the whole game "forced emotion" was a very prevalent issue, the dream sequences and Thessia fallout are just the most noticeable examples.

Really this kind of characterization of Shepard should either be left alone or done in conversation options. However we are all aware of the state of the dialogue wheel in ME3, too cumbersome my ass.

i think dreams should be kept, assuming they are done correctly.

iakus' ideas would have been great IMO. Having shepard care about his crew isnt a bad thing, even for a renegade. Even Javik did

But how do you decide which characters?

They'd probably just throw in everyone's "favorites" like Liara

[RZIBARA]

Steelcan wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I am still of the opinion that they should be scrapped entirely.

Throughout the whole game "forced emotion" was a very prevalent issue, the dream sequences and Thessia fallout are just the most noticeable examples.

Really this kind of characterization of Shepard should either be left alone or done in conversation options. However we are all aware of the state of the dialogue wheel in ME3, too cumbersome my ass.

i think dreams should be kept, assuming they are done correctly.

iakus' ideas would have been great IMO. Having shepard care about his crew isnt a bad thing, even for a renegade. Even Javik did

But how do you decide which characters?

They'd probably just throw in everyone's "favorites" like Liara

character's who died. Thane, Mordin, Virmire casualty, Wrex, Second Spectre, Kelly, SM casualties, Kirrahe (basically anyone you can hear in this video).

things like iakus mentioned as well, possible loss of LI, Normandy (maybe remember the SR1's destruction)

[Br3admax]

You can kill Mordin and Wrex yourself with no conscious at all. You can leave all of these people to their respective fates and then say, "**** them. I hate them." IMO, it's a terrible plan to make someone feel emotion.

[MysticSpace]

GreatBlueHeron wrote...

Many batarians die in arrival (whether played or not, shep's actions are canon). Besides, all sheps kill a lot of people, even paragons. That, whether fighting for "right" or "wrong", has an impact.

Forgot to add: the kid dreams were a cheap foreshadowing of ghostkid.

  Actually, if you didn't buy the Arrival DLC, Admiral Hackett sent a team of Marines on the mission and they died blowing up the relay. (It's in The Alliance war assets)  As for why your in trouble if that's case then it's for a that "stuff" you did in ME2...which is BS if you played paragon but whatever.

[Sundance31us]

The mind rarely if ever gives us the dreams we expect or want.

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad wrote...

You can kill Mordin and Wrex yourself with no conscious at all. You can leave all of these people to their respective fates and then say, "**** them. I hate them." IMO, it's a terrible plan to make someone feel emotion.

wrex maybe, although you had to shoot him as you didnt have much choice in stopping him. i disagree about mordin. If you watch closely, you can see shepard tossing his gun away in a rather pissed fashion after shooting mordin. 

[grey_wind]

Replaying ME2 last month, and the Normandy wreckage site would have been a fantastic place to stage the dreams. Keep the whispers of the dead squadmates and axe the kid, and that would have been perfect.

It's a hauntingly beautiful set-piece, and is a far better emotional convergence point for most Shepards rather than that idiotic kid or that random forest you have to walk through.

[Br3admax]

RZIBARA wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

You can kill Mordin and Wrex yourself with no conscious at all. You can leave all of these people to their respective fates and then say, "**** them. I hate them." IMO, it's a terrible plan to make someone feel emotion.

wrex maybe, although you had to shoot him as you didnt have much choice in stopping him. i disagree about mordin. If you watch closely, you can see shepard tossing his gun away in a rather pissed fashion after shooting mordin. 

S/He doesn't shed a tear for Mordin. S/He doesn't look on in disgust of her/himself. S/He shoots Mordin in the back and walks away.

[RZIBARA]

That doesnt mean they didnt care. To me the way shepard throws the pistol is a sign of disgust. Shepard walks away after shooting a former crewmate, as there was no other way to sabotage the cure.

[Hazegurl]

As a player who began at ME3 I agree, the last game should be the worst place to start but this game wasn't. I actually thought that perhaps I was missing something which made me want to play the full series but nope. I understood the whole reaper thing, I knew Liara had some feelings for shep, just didn't know how nutty she was, I knew that this TIM guy wanted to help the reapers et al.

The only things that confused me was Kaidan and Shepard's argument at the start. I got that Shep worked for a group called Cerberus and he hated it but not much else.

I thought the kid Shepard first saw was his son or something. Until the stupid kid turned down his help.

The ending seemed weak but not earth shatteringly bad for me. Perhaps that's what they meant by the 3rd game being the perfect starting point. lol!

[Hazegurl]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

It's funny to think about it: Shepard may well have killed the Rachni in the first game with all the cringe-worthy callous dialogue that goes with it (not referring to the obligatory "Depends on the species, Turian" which follows), shot Mordin, shot Wrex after lying to his face about sabotaging the cure, sold Legion and then enabled its soulless doppleganger to kill seventeen million people as it said it would (without reacting when Tali kills herself), watched Samara kill herself and off'd her daughter... picture THAT Shepard going to pieces over some random kid who got blown up back on Earth.

Shepard may well have instigated the extinction of THREE DIFFERENT SPECIES before Chronos, and THAT'S what (s)he's having nightmares about.

LOL!! so true. I didn't do everything listed but I did quite a few of those. I sat there laughing that my Shepard would have nightmares over this stupid child. After I played all three games I laughed harder. 

[Ryzaki]

The whispers in the dreams would've been fine. Some flashes of backgrounds would've been much appreciated. Dreams about Saren and the Reapers and the fall of the Protheans would've been fine with me.

The kid dreams were just plain obnoxious.

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

The whispers in the dreams would've been fine. Some flashes of backgrounds would've been much appreciated. Dreams about Saren and the Reapers and the fall of the Protheans would've been fine with me.

The kid dreams were just plain obnoxious.

Appropriate nightmare for Shepard:

www.youtube.com/watch


Another one:

http://www.youtube.c...3UywfxjTi0#t=25