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[animedreamer]

 I like to think that Devinci Code like quest or sequal will pop up and such a descendant will make their presence known, honestly I think she was just a uniquiely talented mage who played on the peoples beliefs or need to believe in something greater.

I wouldn't be surprised if the chantries greatest secret was 2 fold, one that they do know of and are closely watching a true lineage that dates back to Andraste herself, and that they know for a fact she was a mage but fear a mage ever reach such levels of power and thus keep the mages check by creating and continue their oppression in the manner of circles and what have you. It would explain why the Chantry is so reluctant to allow mages to be free to their own devices and so on.

I read the entries on the wiki about how all of Andrastes children were believed to have been killed during various wars, and so on but who knows for sure right?

A few things of note.

1.) Andraste was said to have strange dreams of a god like being since she was a child. (We know that when a person dreams they travel into the fade/through the fade and that mages usually when they are young are a lot more susceptible to the fades inhabitants, and that the fade is home to all manner of demons and spirits both good and evil, who's to say that her dream god wasn't a benevolent spirit of righteousness. It is said she interpreted this being as being the one true maker, and the chant is based around more so what she prophetized and did rather than anything that can be quoted directly from this "Maker.")
 
2.) As we are going to see in DA:I mages can directly affect the environment by creating structures with their magic like ice walls or bridges and so on. Then who is to say Andraste didn't use more elaborate magics in order to create her greatest feats which people past off as natural disasters caused by the maker in Andraste's name.

There were some other points like how Leliana explains that she couldn't answer why the Maker didn't save Andraste from the flames, by saying "Why couldn't she use her maker given powers to free herself." and the fact that Irving uses a similar line when talking to Gregior about the mages going to Ostegar, something along the lines of the later being afraid of the mages using their Maker given powers.

[Naughty Bear]

And then he/she will reveal that the chantry is built upon lies, just like the Asari religion. And Morrigan is doing the exact same thing, change the world by wiping it clean and make herself the goddess of a new religion in a new world muahahaha!

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 16 septembre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Taleroth]

Unlikely. Anything's possible, they'll make a quest based on The Last Crusade, why not DaVinci Code?

[Robot_94]

there's always the possibility that we already have

[Fast Jimmy]

It's possible.

But, then again... if Andraste was just a Mage, with no divine power or authority... then why would it even matter? Or, even if Andraste WAS the Maker's Bride, but had a child with her human husband... would that even matter? It's not Christianity, where the religious text tells us Andraste was unmarked and celibate. Why would it "destroy the Chantry" if it turned out she did have kids and they were just normal, every day kids?

[Wulfram]

If any of Andraste's descendants survived the civil war, odds are there are loads and loads of descendants scattered about.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Maybe we've already met Andraste herself?

[Beerfish]

I think we will be a descendant of Kevin Bacon.

[Maria Caliban]

If we meet the Empress of Orlais, aren't we meeting a decedent of Andreste?

From the wiki:

Maferath was an Avvarian leader of the Alamarri armies, and the mortal husband of Andraste.

Two of the sons of Maferath founded their own kingdoms. They united Ciriane peoples into Kingdom of Ciriane, and Planasene peoples into Kingdom of Planasene respectively. Kingdom of Ciriane ultimately grew to be Orlais, and Kingdom Planasene turned into Free Marches.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 septembre 2013 - 04:37 .

[WardenWade]

According to WOT, it does appear that Andraste and Maferath had several children, known as the "Sons of Betrayal," at least two of whom appear to have been defeated by the female chieftain Jeshavis during Orlais' infancy.  People do continue to, I believe I read in WOT, crop up now and then claiming to be related to Andraste.

Modifié par WardenWade, 16 septembre 2013 - 04:48 .

[Maria Caliban]

Jeshavis married two of the sons. I assume they had children.

[Fast Jimmy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Jeshavis married two of the sons. I assume they had children.

Who would want two husbands, honestly? As one myself, I can't imagine my wife wanting to deal with another.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Jesbavis married them to politically unite the fractured tribes of Orlais.I don't think Maferath and Andraste's children were implied to be all that special in their own right. I should also mention that seeing as we met a first generation disciple of Andraste in the Guardian of the Sacred Ashes and he told us that even her followers believed she was the Bride of the Maker I don't think we're going to ever run into an official Chantry secret that she wasn't. All they would know it what their predecessors thought about her.

[mousestalker]

Given the gap in time from Andraste to modern Thedas (DA:O), it's probably already happened. It would be roughly the same odds as meeting a descendant of Charlemagne in modern western Europe (i.e. almost a certainty). My money is on Slim Couldry.

[teenparty]

This isn't the ****ing da Vinci Code.

[Xsari Rose]

I've heard some people say Leliana is her descendent. Reason why she has her "visions". Doubt it's true but who knows. Know they don't share hair colour as Andraste is depicted as a blonde.

[Beerfish]

Xsari Rose wrote...

I've heard some people say Leliana is her descendent. Reason why she has her "visions". Doubt it's true but who knows. Know they don't share hair colour as Andraste is depicted as a blonde.

Andraste should be very disappointed if that is the case.

[animedreamer]

EntropicAngel wrote...

It sounds more like you're arguing for Andraste being a mage rather than talking about meeting her descendants.

a little of both, 

and the reason it would matter is because like Leliana said, everyone wants to think they're special when they believe the maker has turned their favor on them. What do you think peoples reaction would be if all of a sudden a man or woman steps forward with proof they are a direct descendant of Andraste? How do you think people will treate them afterwards, I think they'd be treated like rockstars, all of a sudden their opinion would matter a whole lot to people who consider themselves true Ansdrastians, people who want to be close to that blood, who may think her wisdom still flows through them. Chantry without it's followers is nothing, and if the Divine has to now share it's power with a descendant the Chantry becomes more divided as now two people have to agree before the body of the chantry itself can take action. Not to mention said followers might even want to see said descendants govern the Chantry, and should those who claim the blood show magic talents it would call into question whether or not Andraste herself was a mage and then it all could start unraveling from there.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Xsari Rose wrote...

I've heard some people say Leliana is her descendent. Reason why she has her "visions". Doubt it's true but who knows. Know they don't share hair colour as Andraste is depicted as a blonde.

I doubt it's true too.

But them having different hair colors is hardly an argument against. I mean Leliana's grandmother probably had different hair color than her...

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Did Andraste even have kids? I doubt she could just magick some children into being. Far as I know in Thedas, you need to do things the old fashioned way. For that she needs Maferath, and they were both kinda busy leading a revolution.

Did the Chantry ever acknowledge Andraste having children somewhere in the Chant? I've played the Dragon Age games many times and I've never read or heard mention of Andraste being a warrior mom.

[thats1evildude]

EDIT: Nope, I made an error. Andraste had sons.

That said, a reincarnation of Andraste seems more likely.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 16 septembre 2013 - 07:58 .

[Xsari Rose]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Xsari Rose wrote...

I've heard some people say Leliana is her descendent. Reason why she has her "visions". Doubt it's true but who knows. Know they don't share hair colour as Andraste is depicted as a blonde.

I doubt it's true too.

But them having different hair colors is hardly an argument against. I mean Leliana's grandmother probably had different hair color than her...

Was just saying they don't SHARE the same colour. Not saying that's the reason they couldn't be related...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

animedreamer wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

It sounds more like you're arguing for Andraste being a mage rather than talking about meeting her descendants.

a little of both, 

and the reason it would matter is because like Leliana said, everyone wants to think they're special when they believe the maker has turned their favor on them. What do you think peoples reaction would be if all of a sudden a man or woman steps forward with proof they are a direct descendant of Andraste? How do you think people will treate them afterwards, I think they'd be treated like rockstars, all of a sudden their opinion would matter a whole lot to people who consider themselves true Ansdrastians, people who want to be close to that blood, who may think her wisdom still flows through them. Chantry without it's followers is nothing, and if the Divine has to now share it's power with a descendant the Chantry becomes more divided as now two people have to agree before the body of the chantry itself can take action. Not to mention said followers might even want to see said descendants govern the Chantry, and should those who claim the blood show magic talents it would call into question whether or not Andraste herself was a mage and then it all could start unraveling from there.

I really don't think that's likely. Even Andraste's actual sons weren't considered rocks stars or to have any special wisdom by the Chantry or by people in general, much less someone who may or may not be related to her a thousand years later. Even if he or she were related to Andraste and were a mage, there is no way to know if that would be because of Andraste's bloodline. I don't think a descendant of Andraste (and I don't know how they could prove it) would be given equal politcal or spiritual authority as the Divines.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 16 septembre 2013 - 07:49 .

[azarhal]

thats1evildude wrote...

Very unlikely, since Andraste didn't even have children. And considering she technically had two husbands, you'd think she'd have at least one kid.

A reincarnation of Andraste seems more likely.

You know, Andraste having no kid makes you wonder how Marefath got his sons to whom he granted his conquered land after he betrayed his wife.

Either these were Andraste's children or Marefath beside being a greedy **** who sent his wife to be burned alive, was also a cheating husband.

Thinking of it, I think I can imagine why Andraste prefered her imaginary boyfriend now.