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[Star fury]

There needs to be some restrictions in place for romances. I mean dwarves could romance dwarves only, same with qunari. Humans and elves can romance each other but not qunari or dwarves. Everyone can understand why, qunari have one thing called the Qun and they have very strict rules. Dwarves have a very rigid social system and castes. So it's only logical thing to do. Not even mentioning physiology. 
Also we should consider that Thedas has it's fair share of xenophobia and racism.  

Modifié par Star fury, 17 septembre 2013 - 12:21 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Also we should consider that Thedas has it's fair share of xenophobia and racism.

Does the existence of xenophobia and racism prevent any pairings from ever happening?


(Aside to the entire thread: some people would probably do well to edit their posts in this thread. The only reason why I haven't banned some people is because I don't have the time at the moment to go through all of the details of doing so)

[Allan Schumacher]

Of course not, but not all people should be open to the idea. We've had non-LIs have this train of tohught in the games, why can't we have some Lis who do to?

That's fair. Though note, one person being open is not "all people" as well.

Note that my question was directed more towards the idea of whether or not it is logical or it makes sense given common attitudes throughout Thedas.


Is your issue, however, really that the romances are all available, or that they all tend to be the same?

[Allan Schumacher]

a) These stories are extremely rare.

How rare are events such as those described in Romeo and Juliette?

They should be done in great detail, because of sheer complexity of issues like love, prejudice, racism, xenophobia. Can developer team do this kind of romance and will you have time for that? It's easy to make interracial romance. The real challenge is to make it believable and not just some fanservice.

So for you the issue is more that they are the same, rather than the actual existence?

[Allan Schumacher]

Note there's an implication that when one says "I don't find black females attractive" that includes "of ones that I have seen."

There's also a difference in simply saying "I don't find black females attractive" and then saying "I don't like them specifically because they have black skin."

There's also a sociocultural context as well. I don't find people with neck rings attractive in the slightest, but there are cultures out there that do.

If a person finds that they don't get the physiological response for attraction for a particular physical trait, while it may be unfortunate it's also somewhat symptomatic of the environment and so forth. And honestly could simply be the way he is.

[Allan Schumacher]

FreshIstay wrote...

There really isn't a clear cut way to slice that one. For what other reason would one specifically single out a group of women and the give their identifying characteristic as the reason why they are a unattractive? 

I don't find BLACK (identifying characteristic) Women attractive. 

It's pretty clear to me, any other reason would involve you offering up some short sided stereotype. Im certainly not advocating that every race must be attracted to any race. But we can be honest with ourselves.

Perhaps this is where the disconnect lies? (Emphasis mine)

I also do not typically find people of exterme difference in my own height attractive either.  They can still be interesting, fun, intelligent, and engaging.

That I do not find a particular physical characteristic attractive does not make me 'racist' against a race that happens to have that physical characteristic.


Note that racism:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racist

Also prejudice:
http://www.thefreedi...y.com/prejudice


Because some people may have physical characteristics that don't appeal to me, as an individual, does not mean that I consider a particular race to be superior.  At *best* you can conclude that I think that one race is superior in the aspect of attractiveness, but if we're to apply the application of discrimination and prejudice so liberally, the term will lose meaning.

There are people that do not think I'm attractive.  I don't consider them awful human beings for thinking so.  Likewise, if a lot of people share my physical characteristics, it doesn't make them prejudiced against me.

You're taking a single aspect, physical appearance, and assuming that this leads to a full on prejudice against an entire race.  Please click on that link regarding the definitions of prejudice.  I think it's exceedingly shallow that someone would assume that because I may not find a person attractive, I have any irrational sense of superiority over that individual.

I don't find myself attracted to Neil Degrasse Tyson (probably in large part because he's also a man) either, but I'll full on state that the guy has accomplished more than me in life and is probably significantly better than me at a lot of things.

Note that not being attracted to someone also does not mean that I think that that person is ugly.


In any case, at this point I'm going to full on abuse my powers to get the last word, because this thread is going way off on tangents it really shouldn't be.  Feel free to pass judgment on me at your discretion.