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[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I guess I don't have a problem in principle with characters just not being into giant horny people or whatever, but it doesn't seem like it's a good use of resources.  And if LIs are to become more picky I'd very much rather they focus on the PC's character and actions than race.  No bonking Leliana after defiling Andraste's remains, please.

The bolded so hard.

I absolutely agree. 

Yeah it was hilarious and a bit sad that Alistair would romance my bloodmage Warden who sided with the werewolves, constantly killed people for the lulz, eagerly took slavery money and let said slaves be sold off, and was an all around douchebag to anyone but him.

Sounds like love to me. 

[Former_Fiend]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah it was hilarious and a bit sad that Alistair would romance my bloodmage Warden who sided with the werewolves, constantly killed people for the lulz, eagerly took slavery money and let said slaves be sold off, and was an all around douchebag to anyone but him.

Our actions should certainly have a larger impact on whether or not a character is interested in romancing us before our race does. 

Let's ignore the fact that regardless of race, we can make our character ugly as all sin.

Origins lets you be a pyschopath. You can murder at least three people at Ostagar alone. And despite that, you can still get into Alistair and Leliana's pants. 

That was a bigger blow to their character than being able to sleep with an elf or a dwarf.

[mupp3tz]

I am okay with the idea so long as it's implemented on a case-by-case basis depending on the LI's personality and viewpoints. However, it doesn't make sense to just have dwarves absolutely not romanceable by a human PC since we already have seen human + elf, elf + dwarf, human + dwarf, etc. relationships. The only iffy ones are the qunari, since we haven't seen any half breeds. But that doesn't mean a relationship is completely out of the question, either. It would depend on those involved. As others have said, Varric suddenly doing a 180 for a human PC would be a bit strange. But another dwarf companion who is an LI option could be attracted to the PC. That makes sense to me.

I think, in general, I'd just like to see more nuanced characters. I know there are a lot of people who support playersexual LI's, but I think it's a cop out. Just as I think LI's are completely okay with romancing someone who is everything that they fight against. It makes the character look silly. Perhaps depending on how big the conflict is, the PC could still eventually win the LI over but with more effort than someone who is perfectly aligned. Or sometimes, be perfectly aligned, but it just doesn't work out as the LI prefers a mate of their own race. Something more complex than talk 4 times + do quest = love of the century.

Anyway, I don't really mind much. I'm fine if they decided to make the LIs playersexual and non-discriminatory in relationships. I would just find it interesting to not have everyone available or have to work harder to secure a specific LI, as I think it makes the relationship more meaningful. But I understand those who don't like it because they are forced to play a certain character for a specific LI.

Meh. That was long, I apologize.

[MilaBanilla]

Wulfram wrote...


When does Varric state his no-humans policy, BTW?  I only recall him proclaiming his loyalty to Bianca when he was turning Hawke down.

Act 2, when you flirt with Merril on the rival path and have Varric in the party

[Wulfram]

Mila-banilla wrote...

Wulfram wrote...


When does Varric state his no-humans policy, BTW?  I only recall him proclaiming his loyalty to Bianca when he was turning Hawke down.

Act 2, when you flirt with Merril on the rival path and have Varric in the party

Thanks.  Kinda surprised I never ran into that, what with all my Merrillmancing.

[vertigomez]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Origins lets you be a pyschopath. You can murder at least three people at Ostagar alone. And despite that, you can still get into Alistair and Leliana's pants. 

That was a bigger blow to their character than being able to sleep with an elf or a dwarf.

Thiiiiiss.

If people want to talk about preserving a character's integrity, they ought to start here instead of worrying about how tall their LI is or what's between their legs.

[chuckwells62]

Even suggesting that the game producers implement a racial romance restriction to reflect "real world" politically correct mindsets within an artificial fantasy world is beyond peculiar to me. Somebody looking for that in Thedas ought to be swiftly heaved into the nearest Darkspawn nest.

[Iakus]

chuckwells62 wrote...

Even suggesting that the game producers implement a racial romance restriction to reflect "real world" politically correct mindsets within an artificial fantasy world is beyond peculiar to me. Somebody looking for that in Thedas ought to be swiftly heaved into the nearest Darkspawn nest.

"real world" mindsets would be Fereldens and Orlesians not getting along.  What we're looking at here is the Fantastic Racism that already exists in Thedas.

[AutumnWitch]

No. If we assume that all humanoids on Thedas can biologically propagate with each other then there is no reason why anyone should not be able to romance anyone they want.

There are of course cultural differences between the different races but if our history here on Earth shows us anything about this topic is that people will cross those boundaries sooner or later and genetic variation only makes humanoids stronger.

As one of my favourite films says, "Life will find a way."

[Former_Fiend]

Let's look at the flip side of this, for a second. Yes, there are people who, without being racist, simply are not romantically or sexually attracted to members of other races. Yes, that is a fair point.

But on the opposite end of that spectrum there are people who out and out fetishize other races. World of Warcraft, of all things, touched on this with a human who made his (also human) girlfriend dress up as a blood elf.

In real life, I have a Caucasian friend who will only date black guys. She's turned down some good looking white guys because she's only attracted to dark skin.

So if we really want to go down the road of having one or two LI's who will only romance people of their race, or who'll romance people of any race but one, shouldn't we also have a LI who'll only romance a member of a specific other race they fetishize? Or at least have a romance with this character play out to where he or she reacts more strongly to a member of a given race?

[Dycho]

To those who keep asking...THE QUNARI INQUISITOR DOES NOT FOLLOW THE QUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Confirmed my bioware devs







Ok Witt that being said...enjoy the topic

Modifié par Dycho, 17 septembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Ironic Discordia]

iakus wrote...

chuckwells62 wrote...

Even suggesting that the game producers implement a racial romance restriction to reflect "real world" politically correct mindsets within an artificial fantasy world is beyond peculiar to me. Somebody looking for that in Thedas ought to be swiftly heaved into the nearest Darkspawn nest.

"real world" mindsets would be Fereldens and Orlesians not getting along.  What we're looking at here is the Fantastic Racism that already exists in Thedas.

Yes, but individuals can still make individual choices. There was fantastic racism in the United States South in the 1960s, what with all the anti-miscegenation laws, but that didn't stop the Lovings from getting married.

As to the original topic, I disagree with limiting potential romances based on player race. They weren't limited in Origins or 2. We've got all the same races plus a new one in Inquisition. I'd rather the LIs turn my character down based their behavior.

Also, intelligent humanoids are not the same as animals. Races are not the same as species. Mass Effect let me have inter-species LIs with other intelligent humanoids. (Even with a turian, whose species historically didn't get along with humans.) I don't see what the problem is with interracial LIs.

[Sylvianus]

I'm okay with the idea. For sure, the implementation of the Qunari inquisitor had had some effects on my thoughts about it. We already have dwarves who can't be mages again anyways. ( and yet, it's not totally impossible either. )

But I think that for the writers, it would be simply " fun above all. "

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 septembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[kinderschlager]

AngelSpirit wrote...



Dudes.. relax

threats to snu snu shall NOT be tolerated!

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Sounds like love to me. 

Former_Fiend wrote...

Our actions should certainly have a
larger impact on whether or not a character is interested in romancing
us before our race does. 

Let's ignore the fact that regardless of race, we can make our character ugly as all sin.

Origins
lets you be a pyschopath. You can murder at least three people at
Ostagar alone. And despite that, you can still get into Alistair and
Leliana's pants. 

That was a bigger blow to their character than being able to sleep with an elf or a dwarf.

Yep. I guess Alistair had some serious blinders on when it came to people he didn't care about.

[Asdrubael Vect]

 1)dwarves romance with elves and humans as we know and as we see....so stop this bull**** and deal with that

2)our Kossith Inquisitor is not mindless Qunari animal of Tammasaran will....and there is not any problems with humans, elves and dwarves if someone know biology

this is example

213cm and 160cm and they have 2 childrens 

so if someone still think that Kossith(and any races) cant romance with dwarfs(and any races), so welcome to Russia

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 17 septembre 2013 - 07:19 .

[Lluthren]

Kossith/Qunari/oxmen/what ever inquisitor will not be of the qun. You don't have to have sex to be in a romance. Not everyone is that xenophobic.

I don't really see the point. Can't you choose yourself who you get with?

[kinderschlager]

mutant_anemone wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Origins lets you be a pyschopath. You can murder at least three people at Ostagar alone. And despite that, you can still get into Alistair and Leliana's pants. 

That was a bigger blow to their character than being able to sleep with an elf or a dwarf.

Thiiiiiss.

If people want to talk about preserving a character's integrity, they ought to start here instead of worrying about how tall their LI is or what's between their legs.

what the....there was a third person?!?!

who did i miss?

[ScarMK]

kinderschlager wrote...

what the....there was a third person?!?!

who did i miss?

Prisoner, wounded soldier, the messenger elf, and the mabari.  (Non HN origin)

[kinderschlager]

ScarMK wrote...

kinderschlager wrote...

what the....there was a third person?!?!

who did i miss?

Prisoner, wounded soldier, the messenger elf, and the mabari.  (Non HN origin)

you can kill the messenger elf? i only ever nabbed the knights sword from him, will have to rectify that one day

and i could never kill a cute mabari 

[Aschenglorie]

Not to throw off the thread, but I've heard this point about Varric before. How do we translate Varric stating he's not into humans & preferring dwarves (the comment he makes about more female dwarf servers in the Hanged Man) into a hard and fast rule about what race he will or will not date. After all, not only do we see him as unable to move on from Bianca (perhaps the main reason, no?) but, there's this little titbit from an interview Mr. Gaider gave some years ago about a Varric romance in DA2, found here: http://aicosu.tumblr...rs-you-got-from

"Actually… they almost did slip something in there. They mentioned having the interrogation end with Varric meeting back up with Hawke and explaining that he’d told them everything. ‘Everything?’ ‘Don’t worry. I skipped the part about us…’"

Now, ofc it never made it "live" into the game but to suggest that Varric would never ever date a human and is only forever interested in Dwarven women (or elf, etc) is "canon" is a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

I guess I'm not terribly invested in a Varric romance to begin with but I find these conversations fascinating--we can insert Anders in this example, too as it seems folks were pretty upset when they found out he romanced Karl and might just possibly dig other guys.

Ultimately, the point about a blood mage who did all the "bad" choices romancing Alistair or getting it on with Leli after destroying the ashes is a good example of awkward and unbelievable romance--much more so than a Dwarf and a Qunari getting it on, or a guy being attracted to another guy a year after flirting with a woman in a previous world space. Also, in DA:O it is our responsibility as players to create our own story if, say, we are Dwarven or Dalish and romance a human but in DA2 it does come up with Merrill. What's to say there won't be some discussion in the romance? And what's to say the romance is completely up to the devs? We are, after all, not reading a novel or watching a movie but shaping our own world (within parameters).

[Taura-Tierno]

Dark Korsar wrote...

 1)dwarves romance with elves and humans as we know and as we see....so stop this bull**** and deal with that

2)our Kossith Inquisitor is not mindless Qunari animal of Tammasaran will....and there is not any problems with humans, elves and dwarves if someone know biology

this is example

213cm and 160cm and they have 2 childrens 

so if someone still think that Kossith(and any races) cant romance with dwarfs(and any races), so welcome to Russia

Very good points.

And even if we accepted that there would be biological obstacles preventing a Qunari from ... procreating ... with a dwarf, that does not preclude a romantic relationship. Romance is about more than conventional sex, after all. People have relationships even though they might not be able or have any desire to have sex. 

And the Bioware's romances have never been very sex-oriented. The interesting stuff mostly happens on the emotional level. 

[Versus Omnibus]

This to me sounds like a waste of time.

[kinderschlager]

Morocco Mole wrote...

. Romance is about more than conventional sex, after all.

Then have a romance like Sebastian's.

and don't take away the options for the rest of us