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[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I just think that not every character should want to romance your PC. It was kind of cool that Varric preferred something other than Hawke. I think it would be interesting if a sexual character didn't want to get with a species that may not be as compatible to theirs as others. In my tastes, things are boring when every character is available to your character. Did Mass Effect lose anything by Tali not being attracted to FemShep? Did DA:O lose anything by Sten not being attracted to your PC? Restriction isn't necessairly bad. It's more interesting when every character has a mind of their own.

Romances are not and should not be the central focus of 40+ hour RPGs.

Luckily it seems to only be about four people per game that want to romance you. No on in this thread is saying every character should be romanceable, they're saying that randomly restricting the ones that are romanceable by race isn't a good idea.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 17 septembre 2013 - 09:49 .

[Luiren]

Why play the race card? I support all of the free love.

[Angrywolves]

shouldn't be in race restrictions .
I'm not interested in my human protagonist romancing a qunari, but that's a matter of personal choice.

[mupp3tz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm sort of saying that I agree with the OP, though. If a Dwarf or a Qunari refuse to romance you because of the political backgrounds or prejudices they grew up with, then it would make perfect sense. Though if they don't care, then why not?

Same boat as you. I would not mind if the PC was blocked off because of the LI's particular views or preferences. But not by some broad Human/Elf = Human/Elf, Dwarf = Dwarf, Qunari = Forever Alone unless fellow companion is announced and maybe not even then... which is what the OP seems to want.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 17 septembre 2013 - 09:58 .

[Ryzaki]

Eveangaline wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I just think that not every character should want to romance your PC. It was kind of cool that Varric preferred something other than Hawke. I think it would be interesting if a sexual character didn't want to get with a species that may not be as compatible to theirs as others. In my tastes, things are boring when every character is available to your character. Did Mass Effect lose anything by Tali not being attracted to FemShep? Did DA:O lose anything by Sten not being attracted to your PC? Restriction isn't necessairly bad. It's more interesting when every character has a mind of their own.

Romances are not and should not be the central focus of 40+ hour RPGs.

Luckily it seems to only be about four people per game that want to romance you. No on in this thread is saying every character should be romanceable, they're saying that randomly restricting the ones that are romanceable by race isn't a good idea.

This.

We average 4 LIs (Five if you count Sebastion). Split that by genders and it's 2/3 LIs per gender. Restrict that even more and you have people stuck with 1 option. And you know another race won't have such restrictions thus the 3 options to 1 scenario.

I hate that. I hated it in Baldur's Gate. I hated it in Jade Empire. And I'll hate it in DAI.

If BW was to do this well they'd need alot more LIs than I'd feel comfortable with.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:04 .

[Br3admax]

Of course, that being said, there's nothing wrong with the LIs not wanting to romance you at first, which I think has been said in this thread. It's just a bad idea for race to stop the romance, not hinder it until such cultural differences were overcome.

[Br3admax]

Being an elf leading a human kingdom is not comparable to being an elf and sleeping with a human king, in secret I might add, in the slightest.

[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

But is it mandatory that the PC experience a romance throughout the course of the game? I think that's really the biggest reason why I don't have a problem with this. Besides, people often say that having it this way would impact replayability, but I don't see it that way. It would force players to play through multiple times for truly different experiences. My elf wasn't able to be queen in DA: O, for example. That wasn't a bad thing; that made things more interesting and it made me want to play as a human noble just to see what becoming the ruler of Ferelden at the end of the game would be like. Having every companion LI available makes the experience a "one size fits all" sort of deal.

You weren't able to become queen but you could romance alistair and stay with him after he became king. People aren't saying romances should be exactly the same, there can definitely be differences based on race. Just that they shouldn't randomly be restricted by character race.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:15 .

[Eveangaline]

Morocco Mole wrote...

It wouldn't be random though.

Considering we don't even know what characters will be romanceable, already claiming they'd have something against romancing other races seems pretty random.

[mupp3tz]

Hmm.. in retrospect, that's a valid point about the number of available LI's. I am thinking a max of what? 4-5? And since romance is not a huge aspect of the overall game, I can see that having to replay the game as a race you don't particularly want just to have your desired LI is a bit overkill.

So, I suppose race barring is too trivial (though I'm still iffy on Varric with a human as he made his preferences clear in DA2 IF he even is an LI), but perhaps it can just be an additional hurdle that the PC and LI have to overcome.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:20 .

[Ryzaki]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

But is it mandatory that the PC experience a romance throughout the course of the game? I think that's really the biggest reason why I don't have a problem with this. Besides, people often say that having it this way would impact replayability, but I don't see it that way. It would force players to play through multiple times for truly different experiences. My elf wasn't able to be queen in DA: O, for example. That wasn't a bad thing; that made things more interesting and it made me want to play as a human noble just to see what becoming the ruler of Ferelden at the end of the game would be like. Having every companion LI available makes the experience a "one size fits all" sort of deal.

Never said it's mandatory it's side content. And people always say it adds replayability. Alot (if not a majority) of people don't even complete the game once. It mostly encourages replayability from people who were probably going to replay anyway.

I wasn't able to romance Garrus as a FemShep and I really wanted to romance Garrus. You know what that encouraged me to do? Nothing. I said screw it and replayed a ManShep (which I was going to do anyway). I didn't like FemShep's VA. No amount of extra content for her would encourage me to play through as her. I didn't want to play as her.

Every companion LI available *edit: Each LI being available to all Inqs I mean not all companions as LIs that's madness* doesn't make it one size fits all unless the dialogue is boring and generic (which I do not prefer. I don't want Alistair's "Oh you're a woman!" every other damn conversation "really Alistair? Didn't realize that." either tbf but recognizing gender and race and class occassionally is nice). Not to mention marrying Alistair wasn't romance restricted. Hell if you hardened him he'd marry you at Hostile. It was a political manuever not necessarily one out of love (especially not since the Warden is the one who has to suggest it).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:24 .

[Ryzaki]

Eveangaline wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

But is it mandatory that the PC experience a romance throughout the course of the game? I think that's really the biggest reason why I don't have a problem with this. Besides, people often say that having it this way would impact replayability, but I don't see it that way. It would force players to play through multiple times for truly different experiences. My elf wasn't able to be queen in DA: O, for example. That wasn't a bad thing; that made things more interesting and it made me want to play as a human noble just to see what becoming the ruler of Ferelden at the end of the game would be like. Having every companion LI available makes the experience a "one size fits all" sort of deal.

You weren't able to become queen but you could romance alistair and stay with him after he became king. People aren't saying romances should be exactly the same, there can definitely be differences based on race. Just that they shouldn't randomly be restricted by character race.

This.

I'd love differences.

But the random restrictions (which in my experience always results in the majority played race/gender having the lion share of the LIs while every else gets the scraps) do not want.

[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

It wouldn't be random though.

Considering we don't even know what characters will be romanceable, already claiming they'd have something against romancing other races seems pretty random.

If it made sense within the character's personality, would you have a problem with it? That's why I used the example I did, because it made sense politically. What if it made sense personally?

Your example didn't exactly work beacuse your example didn't include any romance restriction. Elves were in no way barred from romancing alistair just because they couldn't be his queen.

As for personality, I'm sure there's going to be plenty of characters that wouldn't date outside their species, but randomly deciding to make the four characters that the player can romance like that seems a bit silly.

[Ryzaki]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Did not being able to romance Garrus because of his personal preferences ruin the game for you?

Nope. I'd enjoyed it more if I could though. As for his personal preferences you are aware of how the romance with Garrus gets started right? Shep propositions him. Full stop. It says nothing about Garrus other than he reacted positively to FemShep when she hit on him. MShep didn't even have the option.

It takes far more than optional side content to ruin a game for me.

Usually a horde of autodialogue'll do it though.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:27 .

[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

It wouldn't be random though.

Considering we don't even know what characters will be romanceable, already claiming they'd have something against romancing other races seems pretty random.

If it made sense within the character's personality, would you have a problem with it? That's why I used the example I did, because it made sense politically. What if it made sense personally?

Your example didn't exactly work beacuse your example didn't include any romance restriction. Elves were in no way barred from romancing alistair just because they couldn't be his queen.

As for personality, I'm sure there's going to be plenty of characters that wouldn't date outside their species, but randomly deciding to make the four characters that the player can romance like that seems a bit silly.

Well, yeah. I don't think a qunari should only date a qunari in the game, if the qunari wanting to date outside of their species makes sense. I just don't necessairly think it would be a bad thing if a human, qunari, elf or dwarf were locked out of a romance because of a possible LI's tastes or prejudices. 

Again, I'm sure there will be tons of characters in the game that wouldn't want to date outside of certain species. We're asking for four that don't have a problem with it. That's not a terribely high number of people compared to how many will surely be in the game, right?