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[Ryzaki]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
I don't want to misrepresent your opinion, so I'm just going to ask straight out. Do you feel that each character should be bisexual as to promote romances with every possible character?

Each character? No.

Each LI of which they'll probably be 4? Yeah. It's four people.

If it's more than that I'd be fine with a 2/2/2 scenario (two straight, two gay, two bisexual).

But ideally yeah I want the LIs to be available to every character unless said character goes against their beliefs/morals (I rather tackle that before caring about race or gender.)

Edit: So no you don't end up with a 100% chance of success arguement. You have to do actions the character agrees with or at least can respect to get their affection.

As it is with gender restrictions you still have a 100% success chance. You just have to stick to different characters. Most of the characters you can flirt with and be rejected by aren't LIs at all. Only exception to this I believe is Traynor.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:35 .

[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...



Again, I'm sure there will be tons of characters in the game that wouldn't want to date outside of certain species. We're asking for four that don't have a problem with it. That's not a terribely high number of people compared to how many will surely be in the game, right?

And just how many characters out of that possible four even have meaningful relationships with the PC? When there is a 100% chance of success romantically, it removes all tension from interactions. Not that tension is necessary, I just think it would be a breath of fresh air in an otherwise "yes man" environment.

Then make success based on your personality and choices. You seem to have come to the odd conclusion that "The tiny amount of romanceable characters shouldn't randomly decide that no dwarves get a ride" means "all romances should be easy exactly the same"

Modifié par Eveangaline, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:36 .

[SlottsMachine]

Oh, is this the new thread?

[BlueMagitek]

Actually, totally okay with this idea as it follows precedent from Baldur's Gate.

[Ryzaki]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Okay, thanks for answering. I was genuinely curious. I can see why a person would feel that way, but I don't feel that way. I don't feel like having each LI available to the PC is realistic, but it won't affect my enjoyment of the game at the same time. I didn't feel that DA2's approach to romance affected my enjoyment of the game, I just feel that that approach is odd. If it makes more people happy, then it isn't bad though, I guess. 

*shrugs* I find the realism arguement silly when we're talking about a mage where someone's stabbing themselves in the stomach with a staff to use bloodmagic and is perfectly okay. (and somehow avoids hitting anything vital )

Fair enough. I didn't find DAO doing it all that well either with my white knight romancing Morrigan and my Bloodmage romancing Alistair.

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Actually, totally okay with this idea as it follows precedent from Baldur's Gate.

And that's exactly why I despise this idea.

Screw Baldur's Gate and it's BS with male characters getting 3 different female LIs and females being stuck with Ameodouche.

I really regretted making my male a half elf midway through that game. The whining and clinging. I wish I had rolled a dwarf. I really really did.

And everytime Ameojerk opened his mouth I wanted to stab him with a rusty dagger.

I love BG2 plot wise but most of the companions I can't stand. Edit: before anyone even says it I liked Minsc. Imoen was okay.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:53 .

[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...



Again, I'm sure there will be tons of characters in the game that wouldn't want to date outside of certain species. We're asking for four that don't have a problem with it. That's not a terribely high number of people compared to how many will surely be in the game, right?

And just how many characters out of that possible four even have meaningful relationships with the PC? When there is a 100% chance of success romantically, it removes all tension from interactions. Not that tension is necessary, I just think it would be a breath of fresh air in an otherwise "yes man" environment.

Then make success based on your personality and choices. You seem to have come to the odd conclusion that "The tiny amount of romanceable characters shouldn't randomly decide that no dwarves get a ride" means "all romances should be easy exactly the same"

I'm just saying that I want the companions to have a mind of their own. While it did create more opportunity for players, the DA2 approach made me feel that every character was at the whim of my PC. Even if the character hated yours, you could still do a rivalry romance. It just felt like too much. 

And even after I already told you my position you're sitll saying I want it to be random? Whatever dude.

But you're somehow equating "willing to romance anyone despite personality and choices of the PC" with "willing to romance pc despite race". Those are in fact two different things.

No matter how clear it is that people are saying that they'd like the romances to be the second, you seem to insist they're talking about the first. Saying companions should have minds of their own is great! It also has absolutely nothing to do with this thread because no one is saying they shouldn't. 

And it is fairly random considering it'd only be put in so you can feel like it's more 'realistic' which doesn't make sense since in this fictional world the writers are the ones who decide what is realistic for it, and if they say at least 4 people not caring about what race their loves is, is realistic, then that's how it is in dragon age.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 17 septembre 2013 - 10:50 .

[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

But you're somehow equating "willing to romance anyone despite personality and choices of the PC" with "willing to romance pc despite race". Those are in fact two different things.

No matter how clear it is that people are saying that they'd like the romances to be the second, you seem to insist they're talking about the first. Saying companions should have minds of their own is great! It also has absolutely nothing to do with this thread because no one is saying they shouldn't. 

And it is fairly random considering it'd only be put in so you can feel like it's more 'realistic' which doesn't make sense since in this fictional world the writers are the ones who decide what is realistic for it, and if they say at least 4 people not caring about what race their loves is, is realistic, then that's how it is in dragon age.

Okay, every character should want to romance your character. Because that's not any more random than a character not wanting to romance a character at all. 

Pretty much the exact opposite of what I've been saying but you're reading what you wanna read I guess.

[Siibi]

franciscoamell wrote...

[BlueMagitek]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

It's a waste of time and would mean spending more time and money on romances.

Not really.

It's one extra Boolean variable per race per character

Why waste a boolean when you can assign an integer? That's how you rock it old school.

[Eveangaline]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

But you're somehow equating "willing to romance anyone despite personality and choices of the PC" with "willing to romance pc despite race". Those are in fact two different things.

No matter how clear it is that people are saying that they'd like the romances to be the second, you seem to insist they're talking about the first. Saying companions should have minds of their own is great! It also has absolutely nothing to do with this thread because no one is saying they shouldn't. 

And it is fairly random considering it'd only be put in so you can feel like it's more 'realistic' which doesn't make sense since in this fictional world the writers are the ones who decide what is realistic for it, and if they say at least 4 people not caring about what race their loves is, is realistic, then that's how it is in dragon age.

Okay, every character should want to romance your character. Because that's not any more random than a character not wanting to romance a character at all. 

Pretty much the exact opposite of what I've been saying but you're reading what you wanna read I guess.

That's a generalization, of course personality plays a role. But having every character being romanceable pretty much leads to that. Even when you do things that character's say are deplorable, you can still romance them. That's how Dragon Age works. That's pretty random though.

Except no one here is asking for them to want to romance you no matter how deplorable they find you. No one here is asking for them to want to romance you if they disagree with you about everything. No one here is asking for every character to be romanceable.

They are asking for the four possible romance characters to not be restricted based on race. That is all. That's what this entire thread is about.  The problem you are railing against? The idea that companions will romance you no matter what you act like? Good news, you can stop arguing about it! Because no one here disagrees with you! They just want the companions to not write off the pc due to race.

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

And that's exactly why I despise this idea.

Screw Baldur's Gate and it's BS with male characters getting 3 different female LIs and females being stuck with Ameodouche.

I really regretted making my male a half elf midway through that game. The whining and clinging. I wish I had rolled a dwarf. I really really did.

And everytime Ameojerk opened his mouth I wanted to stab him with a rusty dagger.

I love BG2 plot wise but most of the companions I can't stand. Edit: before anyone even says it I liked Minsc. Imoen was okay.

Well I'm sure there will be an equal number of male/female companions.  Though I'm not sure why you would want a feature excluded like that.  Yeah, FEMCHARNAME got screwed, but that certainly doesn't ruin the game, especially since it was so easy to mess something up for any LI, really.
Besides, everyone loves Half Elves.  Except in Tales games.

Also, how can you hate Clint Eastwood Elf?  You're a monster.

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 17 septembre 2013 - 11:07 .

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
Well I'm sure there will be an equal number of male/female companions.  Though I'm not sure why you would want a feature excluded like that.  Yeah, FEMCHARNAME got screwed, but that certainly doesn't ruin the game, especially since it was so easy to mess something up for any LI, really.
Besides, everyone loves Half Elves.  Except in Tales games.

Also, how can you hate Clint Eastwood Elf?  You're a monster.

I already pointed out why I'd want such a feature excluded. We average 4 LIs. Divide 4 by 2 and that's 2 divide that again by 2 and you get 1. Being stuck with one option blows. And almost always the main audience doesn't end up restricted. FemCharname getting screwed was my main issue.

XD

That said I was no where near as aggravated with her non romance game than I was trying to romance Aerie. Never has a BW game had so many companions I wanted to throw into a acid vat.

I was pretty aggravated tbh. I didn't like the battlesystem (I kept at it for a while for the story before going screw this console time! Ctrl+Y was a godsend) and finding about 2 companions I actually liked taveling with me didn't help.

Then realizing my one LI choice was...him. I was displeased.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 11:16 .

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...
I already pointed out why I'd want such a feature excluded. We average 4 LIs. Divide 4 by 2 and that's 2 divide that again by 2 and you get 1. Being stuck with one option blows. And almost always the main audience doesn't end up restricted. FemCharname getting screwed was my main issue.

XD

I was pretty aggravated tbh. I didn't like the battlesystem (I kept at it for a while for the story before going screw this console time! Ctrl+Y was a godsend) and finding about 2 companions I actually liked taveling with me didn't help.

Then realizing my one LI choice was...him. I was displeased.

It could have been worse, you know.  I think he isn't into Gnomes, so if you played a female gnome, you'd be Gnomeveralone!

...yeah, that was pretty bad.

Because it appears they're going with the bisexual option, you still have (probably) 3 choices.  And even in your scenario, you still have the option of not romancing anyone; no one is forcing your hand, certainly.

But yes, male characters totally get the group bisexual incest option in Jade Empire unavailable to female characters. 

The battle system was difficult to get into, but it isn't so bad once you get it down.  Just remember that if you aren't a caster, you aren't even a thing, son.  :happy:

Jaheira being a romance option was always really iffy with me, I feel ya.  She's like, your godmother!

[Navasha]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The only reason that I keep arguing is because I feel that we basically agree, but I feel that you are misunderstading my argument. You agree that there shouldn't be a romance if you character disagrees on things, if your PCs worldviews misaligns with the character's worldviews. That's what I'm trying to get at. If a dwarf comes from a background that has a strict class system and he doesn't want to date a non dwarf because of that, then how is that any different than a person not wanting to date a PC because that PC holds different world views? Both of the conflicts come from that particular characters world views. And while that may limit a character, that brings the choices down from 4 to 3, just like being evil or good would be. 

In which case, why would the developers even bother to write a romance option for said character?   Varric wasn't romanceable because of a similar such worldview in DA2.    No one is saying that such individuals wouldn't exist in the world, but from a game development viewpoint, you also wouldn't make them one of the 4 options.  

You aren't going to write a very in-depth romance dialog for a character that can only be romanced by 2% of the consumers of your product. 

The individuals that will be picked to have romanceable dialog lines written for them will not have such a limited worldview.  

What would happen if the only romanceable character for human males was Sandal's twin sister?    Yet the other 3 characters were hot, slinky clad gorgeous character, but the writers decided that they just can't stand humans?

How well would that go over in the player community?

[frostajulie]

Star fury wrote...

There needs to be some restrictions in place for romances. I mean dwarves could romance dwarves only, same with qunari. Humans and elves can romance each other but not qunari or dwarves. Everyone can understand why, qunari have one thing called the Qun and they have very strict rules. Dwarves have a very rigid social system and castes. So it's only logical thing to do. Not even mentioning physiology. 
Also we should consider that Thedas has it's fair share of xenophobia and racism.  

for each sample you put forth you generalize an entire people our NPC's are individuals.

  AndI  I for one am not about limiting my play options.  If I have 3 potential LI but 1 is only romancable via the dwarf PC I have effectively been cut off from the LI because I don't really enjoy dwarf PC, I do like elves and humans and possibly Qunari we will see.  I like the playersexual NPC's because it opens up all the content to me.  Thats my preference.

[Xilizhra]

Silly and arbitrary, like gender restrictions.

[Former_Fiend]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Ok, how about this. Bioware makes a RPG set in America in the 1930s.

Stop me if you see where I'm going with this.

They give you the option of playing as a man or a woman, and as white, black, asian, latino, and whatever else.

Being a Bioware game, they obviously include romance.

What is the better move here; to not include same sex or interracial relations because those things were not socially acceptable at the time, or to include them and deal with the consequences of it?

It's not as if these things didn't happen. They did. They happened a lot.

By instituting racial restrictions on romance, Bioware would not be reminding us of the prejudices of Thedas. They would be imposing those prejudices upon our characters.

Self quoting because, aside from that wonderful Rock-Aplauding gif, I never did get a proper reply.