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[AlexanderCousland]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No... but if they outright deny someone because they're white/black/whatever, it rather is.

No it isn't.

I don't find black females attractive. At all. That's not racism. I simply don't find them attractive.

A world where we're forced to want sex with someone of every shape and size because "denying" it is prejudice is a world I don't want to be a part of.

Sorry, but' s it's pretty racist to say a whole group of females are unattractive because of their skin color. It's not racist to say, "I usually dont prefer black women",  It is very racist to say every single woman who is black is unattractive because she is black. It's perfectly fine to have preferences though. 

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Also other than gossiping why would they care? It's frowned upon yeah but they can't do about it. So no I don't see the necessity of making it a big deal "OMG Hawke has a elven wench" *Hawke looks in said direction, speaker hastily hides or glares and Hawke shrugs and goes about his her day* I mean really what would that achieve?

Bad@sses like Hawke can defend themselves and their choices.  But it can still undermine respect .  And for the partner, it can go far worse.  Elves, especially among the Dalish, are expelled for taking up with nonhumans.  It's actually considered treasonous.

No, i don't think such relationships should be restricted.  but the obstacles before it should still be overcome.  Romeo and Juliet wouldn't be an enduring love story if their families just shrugged and went "whatever'

Of course, they'd both have survived too, but you get the pitcure 

[Br3admax]

FreshIstay wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No... but if they outright deny someone because they're white/black/whatever, it rather is.

No it isn't.

I don't find black females attractive. At all. That's not racism. I simply don't find them attractive.

A world where we're forced to want sex with someone of every shape and size because "denying" it is prejudice is a world I don't want to be a part of.

Sorry, but' s it's pretty racist to say a whole group of females are unattractive because of their skin color. It's not racist to say, "I usually dont prefer black women",  It is very racist to say every single woman who is black is unattractive because she is black. It's perfectly fine to have preferences though. 

That's not what the post says at all. Also assuming that skin color is the only difference between black and white people is wrong. Also, you really don't know EA, who or what he is, so don't jump to conclusions about if he is racist or not. 

[Boiny Bunny]

FreshIstay wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No... but if they outright deny someone because they're white/black/whatever, it rather is.

No it isn't.

I don't find black females attractive. At all. That's not racism. I simply don't find them attractive.

A world where we're forced to want sex with someone of every shape and size because "denying" it is prejudice is a world I don't want to be a part of.

Sorry, but' s it's pretty racist to say a whole group of females are unattractive because of their skin color. It's not racist to say, "I usually dont prefer black women",  It is very racist to say every single woman who is black is unattractive because she is black. It's perfectly fine to have preferences though. 

It gets pretty murky here.  When one says "I don't find black females attractive at all" - is the implication:

A) I have never yet met a black female that I find attractive, and as such, don't expect that I ever will

OR

 It is completely impossible for me to find a black female attractive

The first one is more of a factual observation based on individual taste (which an individual arguably has no actual control over anyway) - the second one (to me at least) implies a racist mindset - that a person isn't even willing to consider the possibility of a black female being attractive, utterly regardless of what they look like.

Personally, I put quite a low emphasis on physical characteristics in terms of being attracted to somebody, so maybe I'm not all that qualified to be saying this - but I honestly find it ridiculous for a person to make a blanket statement that they could not possibly ever be attracted to somebody because of something like skin colour.  That seems to be more of a psychological bias than a physical attraction issue.

Real world attraction is generally a little bit more nuanced than defining singular physical characteristics that are absolute deal breakers if present.

[wizardryforever]

Personally I think restrictions based on race are a good idea, if applied in small doses.  For instance, if we have six romances (just a guesstimate), one straight for each gender, one gay for each gender, and two bi (one of each gender), then perhaps have the race restrictions apply to the two bi characters.  This would serve two purposes: it would give the two bi characters a bit more romantic depth rather than a "sleep with anyone" type of vibe that can sometimes come off of them, and it would have minimal impact on the options of the PC.  Every race and gender combo would still have one straight and one gay option, but some of them might be lacking one of the options.  Like a character that is unwilling to have a relationship with a dwarf or a qunari due to size differences, or maybe with elves due to viewing them as beneath them.  Something like that.  If done well, it could add a lot of characterization.  If done poorly, it could seem arbitrary.

I also would like to add that if there's less than six romances, I'm against it.  It would restrict player choice too much.  The ratio is the important thing.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also other than gossiping why would they care? It's frowned upon yeah but they can't do about it. So no I don't see the necessity of making it a big deal "OMG Hawke has a elven wench" *Hawke looks in said direction, speaker hastily hides or glares and Hawke shrugs and goes about his her day* I mean really what would that achieve?

Bad@sses like Hawke can defend themselves and their choices.  But it can still undermine respect .  And for the partner, it can go far worse.  Elves, especially among the Dalish, are expelled for taking up with nonhumans.  It's actually considered treasonous.

No, i don't think such relationships should be restricted.  but the obstacles before it should still be overcome.  Romeo and Juliet wouldn't be an enduring love story if their families just shrugged and went "whatever'

Of course, they'd both have survived too, but you get the pitcure 

Hawke's intelligence level would undermine the respect he/she gets tbh.

As for the Dalish you really think they could treat her even worse? They already acted like she was evil incarnate for the mirror. I doubt her shacking up with Hawke was a blip on the radar other than "Of course she'd shack up with a human." If anything I'd think they'd be sympathetic towards Hawke.

Well yeah but what would happen? People refuse to do business with them? Doubt it Varric. People would try to get the law on them? Doubt it Aveline. Rumor mongering and such? Hawke's working with the Vicount.

That and Hawke really doesn't show him/herself to be the type of person that cares what the neighbors think.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 01:29 .

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

No they aren't. Not even remotely.

Nah I'm only fond of restrictions when there's equal content on both sides. When it comes to romance that simply doesn't tend to happen because of majority and resources. If there were four bi LIs and each one of them didn't like one of the PC races which one do you think will get the least content? I'm willing to bet it'd be the one who doesn't prefer the race that the vast majority of players play.

I loved the goodbyes :3

*snort*

Tinker Gnomes created Spell Jammers. 
Gnomes : All the points
Every other race: - all the points

Bleh, romances are supposed to be a minor thing meant to add flavor.  Who cares what the majority of players play?  Should you just completely remove Jacob because the majority of players of ME 2 didn't like him? 

[Blackrising]

"Reject me for what I do, not what I am."
That's my policy and I'm sticking with it.

You people seem to forget that the number one purpose of a video game isn't to be hyper realistic or based on the real world. All a video game needs to do is to be fun to play.

Modifié par Blackrising, 18 septembre 2013 - 01:35 .

[daveliam]

For me it comes back to the idea of what it adds to the game. You could argue that it adds a sense of "realism" because there is racism in real life and in Thedas, so it would allows players to experience that. I guess that's cool for some people. I already experience prejudice so I don't know if that's really something that I want to experience in my recreational gaming as well.

I just don't see how it benefits the game as a whole to add this feature. I'd rather suspend realism for the ability to have access to all of the available LI's without additional "meta gaming". Just my opinion though.

[Heimdall]

Boiny Bunny wrote...
It gets pretty murky here.  When one says "I don't find black females attractive at all" - is the implication:

A) I have never yet met a black female that I find attractive, and as such, don't expect that I ever will

 

I would assume the poster meant this and I have to admit its a sentiment I share.  "Black" implying more physical characteristics than simple skin tone, I have rarely found them attractive if ever.  Its not a matter of race, its gut aesthetic preference.  Shallow maybe, but not something I have control over.

[daveliam]

greengoron89 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you have proof that only 2% of the Dragon Age community would play as a dwarf?

The evidence would be that only 5% of players picked a dwarf as PC in DA:O.

We are the elite. The other 95% didn't play as a dwarf because they are unworthy of playing as a dwarf. :innocent:

Hell yeah we are.  And our numbers are growing, it seems.  In the "What Race Will You Play First" poll thread, it's sitting at a solid 10%!

[Volus Warlord]

Blackrising wrote...

"Reject me for what I do, not what I am."
That's my policy and I'm sticking with it.

Can I reject you for both?

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...


Tinker Gnomes created Spell Jammers. 
Gnomes : All the points
Every other race: - all the points

Bleh, romances are supposed to be a minor thing meant to add flavor.  Who cares what the majority of players play?  Should you just completely remove Jacob because the majority of players of ME 2 didn't like him? 

Pfft.

The bolded is pretty much what happened though. Oh I know they're minor but so are invidiual side quests when the add up they make the whole. I want all the pieces to be good. Plus for me anyway a good romance enhances the game. It doesn't stop me from playing if there isn't one (I got through ME1 and ME2 just fine) but it makes it much more enjoyable.

daveliam wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you have proof that only 2% of the Dragon Age community would play as a dwarf?

The evidence would be that only 5% of players picked a dwarf as PC in DA:O.

We are the elite. The other 95% didn't play as a dwarf because they are unworthy of playing as a dwarf. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Hell
yeah we are.  And our numbers are growing, it seems.  In the "What Race
Will You Play First" poll thread, it's sitting at a solid 10%!

To be fair this is BSN so you have to have that for the general population.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 01:35 .

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

As for the Dalish you really think they could treat her even worse? They already acted like she was evil incarnate for the mirror. I doubt her shacking up with Hawke was a blip on the radar other than "Of course she'd shack up with a human."

I'm talking about anyone , not just Merrill.

Remember Arianni?  Exiled from her clan for running off with a human and bearing an elf-blooded child?  

Well yeah but what would happen? People refuse to do business with them? Doubt it Varric. People would try to get the law on them? Doubt it Aveline. Rumor mongering and such? Hawke's working with the Vicount.

That and Hawke really doesn't show him/herself to be the type of person that cares what the neighbors think.

But you're thinking strictly of Hawke, who has teh connections and the physical prowess to weather such a situation.  Others don't have this kind of pull.  There's a reason elves in human communities live in alienages, after all.  Why Dalish are willing to kill outsiders if they look crosseyed at them. 

[Allan Schumacher]

Note there's an implication that when one says "I don't find black females attractive" that includes "of ones that I have seen."

There's also a difference in simply saying "I don't find black females attractive" and then saying "I don't like them specifically because they have black skin."

There's also a sociocultural context as well. I don't find people with neck rings attractive in the slightest, but there are cultures out there that do.

If a person finds that they don't get the physiological response for attraction for a particular physical trait, while it may be unfortunate it's also somewhat symptomatic of the environment and so forth. And honestly could simply be the way he is.

[Blackrising]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

"Reject me for what I do, not what I am."
That's my policy and I'm sticking with it.

Can I reject you for both?

Sure, as long as you're not one of the few romance options in a video game.

[AlexanderCousland]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

No... but if they outright deny someone because they're white/black/whatever, it rather is.

No it isn't.

I don't find black females attractive. At all. That's not racism. I simply don't find them attractive.

A world where we're forced to want sex with someone of every shape and size because "denying" it is prejudice is a world I don't want to be a part of.

Sorry, but' s it's pretty racist to say a whole group of females are unattractive because of their skin color. It's not racist to say, "I usually dont prefer black women",  It is very racist to say every single woman who is black is unattractive because she is black. It's perfectly fine to have preferences though. 

It gets pretty murky here.  When one says "I don't find black females attractive at all" - is the implication:

A) I have never yet met a black female that I find attractive, and as such, don't expect that I ever will

OR

 It is completely impossible for me to find a black female attractive

The first one is more of a factual observation based on individual taste (which an individual arguably has no actual control over anyway) - the second one (to me at least) implies a racist mindset - that a person isn't even willing to consider the possibility of a black female being attractive, utterly regardless of what they look like.

Personally, I put quite a low emphasis on physical characteristics in terms of being attracted to somebody, so maybe I'm not all that qualified to be saying this - but I honestly find it ridiculous for a person to make a blanket statement that they could not possibly ever be attracted to somebody because of something like skin colour.  That seems to be more of a psychological bias than a physical attraction issue.

Real world attraction is generally a little bit more nuanced than defining singular physical characteristics that are absolute deal breakers if present.

Whatever the case is, I dont even think I could relate to someone who doesn't  find Beyonce attractive....
Bro, Im sorry, but the straight white male majority is on my side with this one, she was on the cover of GQ as the sexiest woman of the millennium (were only 13 years in, but who's counting). Ethnic women are hot.

[kinderschlager]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Note there's an implication that when one says "I don't find black females attractive" that includes "of ones that I have seen."

There's also a difference in simply saying "I don't find black females attractive" and then saying "I don't like them specifically because they have black skin."

There's also a sociocultural context as well. I don't find people with neck rings attractive in the slightest, but there are cultures out there that do.

If a person finds that they don't get the physiological response for attraction for a particular physical trait, while it may be unfortunate it's also somewhat symptomatic of the environment and so forth. And honestly could simply be the way he is.

no idea how we got to here from such an irreverant silly thread, but yeah, if that persons culture is something totally alien and turns a person off? can't really blame them when they go "eww, no"

(called personal taste)

Modifié par kinderschlager, 18 septembre 2013 - 01:41 .

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Except Hawke could romance Merrill in Act II, before the Qunari invade and before Meredith takes control of Kirkwall.

Merrill hasn't officially moved in at that point. And what exactly would happen? Just some unpleasant person saying something bigoted and then being unable to back it up with anything?

Hawke invites Merrill to move in with him (or her) in Act II. They are in a relationship. And having no one react to their relationship made as little sense as everyone being blind to apostate Hawke being an illegal mage.

[Volus Warlord]

Blackrising wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

"Reject me for what I do, not what I am."
That's my policy and I'm sticking with it.

Can I reject you for both?

Sure, as long as you're not one of the few romance options in a video game.

Well, I think I got that one taken care of.

[Steelcan]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Except Hawke could romance Merrill in Act II, before the Qunari invade and before Meredith takes control of Kirkwall.

Merrill hasn't officially moved in at that point. And what exactly would happen? Just some unpleasant person saying something bigoted and then being unable to back it up with anything?

Hawke invites Merrill to move in with him (or her) in Act II. They are in a relationship. And having no one react to their relationship made as little sense as everyone being blind to apostate Hawke being an illegal mage.

You arrest him

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

I'm talking about anyone , not just Merrill.

Remember Arianni?  Exiled from her clan for running off with a human and bearing an elf-blooded child? 

You mean the child they allowed to stay in their clan? That one?

I mean sure they wouldn't be pleased but it doesn't seem excessive. As for talking about anyone not just Merrill the discussion is about Merrill and Hawke. Merrill's done far worse things than sleep with a human.

But you're thinking strictly of Hawke, who has teh connections and the physical prowess to weather such a situation.  Others don't have this kind of pull.  There's a reason elves in human communities live in alienages, after all.  Why Dalish are willing to kill outsiders if they look crosseyed at them. 

Yeah I know this. That however isn't what I was discussing. We were talking about Hawke.

Dalish are willing to kill outsiders because outsiders tend to kill/attack them. Even if you peacefully let the human in the origin group go they organize a group to attack your clan.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 01:47 .

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Except Hawke could romance Merrill in Act II, before the Qunari invade and before Meredith takes control of Kirkwall.

Merrill hasn't officially moved in at that point. And what exactly would happen? Just some unpleasant person saying something bigoted and then being unable to back it up with anything?

Hawke invites Merrill to move in with him (or her) in Act II. They are in a relationship. And having no one react to their relationship made as little sense as everyone being blind to apostate Hawke being an illegal mage.

You arrest him

And then five minutes later Aveline let's him out.

Nice work. All you've done is made an enemy...enemies actually.

As for templars I assume they're braindead enough to ignore any magical artificats they find in Hawke's house. These are Kirkwall templars.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 01:46 .