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[Ryzaki]

franciscoamell wrote...

Star fury wrote...
Blah blah blah humans and elves can have children

Um, so can dwarves and humans. Can't qunari have children with other races and can't elves and dwarves have children?

Pretty sure they can.

After all Dwarf warden can do the DR with Morrigan.  So clearly they can reproduce.

Qunari are the only species I'm iffy on being able to reproduce with the others.

[Former_Fiend]

franciscoamell wrote...

Star fury wrote...
Blah blah blah humans and elves can have children

Um, so can dwarves and humans. Can't qunari have children with other races and can't elves and dwarves have children?

Humans and dwarves can definitely have children. Unlike humans and elves, where the child is always a human, humans and dwarves apparenntly do produce true halfbreeds.

As for qunari, who knows. Don't think it's been stated one way or the other.

[Navasha]

Star fury wrote...

Navasha wrote...
So Fereldans can't sleep with Orlesians,  or actually any people from any country should be restricted to only the same country.

So fereldans and orlesians are different RACES for you. Okay.

Navasha wrote...
Why would elves then be allowed with humans?   That seems silly that you allow such based on your "logic".   Mages can also only sleep with other mages then too.

Because humans and elves are quite similar in DA setting. They can even have children. It was the same since Tolkien.

Navasha wrote...
That seems silly that you allow such based on your "logic".   Mages can also only sleep with other mages then too.

So mages are races now according to you? Cool.

I am just going off of your "logic" not mine.   You were the one to claim these artificial rules that YOU obviously believe should be hardcoded into restriction within the game.  

Though I think its becoming quite clear that this was always intended to be a TROLL thread anyway. 

[Star fury]

Navasha wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Navasha wrote...
So Fereldans can't sleep with Orlesians,  or actually any people from any country should be restricted to only the same country.

So fereldans and orlesians are different RACES for you. Okay.

Navasha wrote...
Why would elves then be allowed with humans?   That seems silly that you allow such based on your "logic".   Mages can also only sleep with other mages then too.

Because humans and elves are quite similar in DA setting. They can even have children. It was the same since Tolkien.

Navasha wrote...
That seems silly that you allow such based on your "logic".   Mages can also only sleep with other mages then too.

So mages are races now according to you? Cool.

I am just going off of your "logic" not mine.   You were the one to claim these artificial rules that YOU obviously believe should be hardcoded into restriction within the game.  

Though I think its becoming quite clear that this was always intended to be a TROLL thread anyway. 

Do you understand that humans, elves and dwarves are different RACES? While fereldans and orlesians are different NATIONS and they're both humans?

[azarhal]

franciscoamell wrote...

Star fury wrote...
Blah blah blah humans and elves can have children

Um, so can dwarves and humans. Can't qunari have children with other races and can't elves and dwarves have children?

Elve + dwarf might have resulted in Sandal going by Legacy...unless it was human and dwarf.

Qunari we don't know, but Sten in DAO told Morrigan that Qunari sex is brutal and she would probably die if she tried (she was teasing Sten that way for a while before that banter showed up).

Modifié par azarhal, 17 septembre 2013 - 01:29 .

[LOLandStuff]

Your logic is flawed.

[franciscoamell]

azarhal wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Star fury wrote...
Blah blah blah humans and elves can have children

Um, so can dwarves and humans. Can't qunari have children with other races and can't elves and dwarves have children?

Elve +dwarf might have resulted in Sandal going by Legacy...

Qunari we don't know, but Sten in DAO told Morrigan that Qunari sex is brutal and she would probably die if she tried (she was teasing Sten that way for a while before that banter showed up).

Pretty sure he wasn't serious.

Interesting about Sandal. Would that mean dwarf+elf=dwarf just like human+elf=human? Interesting...

[Milady]

Dudes.. relax

[Former_Fiend]

Star fury wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Navasha wrote...
So Fereldans can't sleep with Orlesians,  or actually any people from any country should be restricted to only the same country.

So fereldans and orlesians are different RACES for you. Okay.

Navasha wrote...
Why would elves then be allowed with humans?   That seems silly that you allow such based on your "logic".   Mages can also only sleep with other mages then too.

Because humans and elves are quite similar in DA setting. They can even have children. It was the same since Tolkien.

Navasha wrote...
That seems silly that you allow such based on your "logic".   Mages can also only sleep with other mages then too.

So mages are races now according to you? Cool.

I am just going off of your "logic" not mine.   You were the one to claim these artificial rules that YOU obviously believe should be hardcoded into restriction within the game.  

Though I think its becoming quite clear that this was always intended to be a TROLL thread anyway. 

Do you understand that humans, elves and dwarves are different RACES? While fereldans and orlesians are different NATIONS and they're both humans?

What do you have against interracial relationships?

[Navasha]

Star fury wrote...

Do you understand that humans, elves and dwarves are different RACES? While fereldans and orlesians are different NATIONS and they're both humans?

You were the one to include xenophobia in your arbitrary rules for restrictions..

[Former_Fiend]

franciscoamell wrote...

azarhal wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Star fury wrote...
Blah blah blah humans and elves can have children

Um, so can dwarves and humans. Can't qunari have children with other races and can't elves and dwarves have children?

Elve +dwarf might have resulted in Sandal going by Legacy...

Qunari we don't know, but Sten in DAO told Morrigan that Qunari sex is brutal and she would probably die if she tried (she was teasing Sten that way for a while before that banter showed up).

Pretty sure he wasn't serious.

Interesting about Sandal. Would that mean dwarf+elf=dwarf just like human+elf=human? Interesting...

To me, it was always obvious that Sten was trolling Morrigan to get her to leave him alone.

[mikeymoonshine]

If there is a way to have a dwarf+ Qunari romance I will have one!

[teenparty]

Let's do a beatle-analogy. John and Yoko are a british and a japanase person living in America in the 1970s. America is still a very racist country, especially towards the japanese, because of world war 2. Still they are man and wife.

[Former_Fiend]

You know, talking about this seriously for a moment, I wouldn't have a problem with various NPC's having a problem with the PC's interracial relationships. That would make sense and add to the race reactivity that Bioware wants to go for.

But blocking the option all together doesn't make a lick of sense.

[daveliam]

Yeah, there is absolutely no reason to include these restrictions in the game because we have no evidence that suggests that the races cannot breed and produce offspring. In fact, we have evidence directly to the contrary. So the "logic" being used to suggest it is flawed at best.

Now, I wouldn't be opposed to a character having their own preference, but I think that this would end up adding in a really complicated element that the resources probably won't allow for because they would end up having to put in more romances to account for it. I just don't see that happening.

As many other have said, if the OP wants to play that way, then more power to you.  No reason to put those restrictions on everyone else when the lore doesn't support it.

Modifié par daveliam, 17 septembre 2013 - 01:48 .

[JJDXB]

It isn't racist to not be physically attracted to somebody of a different race.  I don't find white women to be that attractive.  Blond women get no response from me.  On the other hand, I find only white men attractive.

This, I think, comes under the whole player-sexual thing where every LI will sleep with you no matter what you are or what you've done so long as you press a few buttons when interacting with them.  I know people say that this is for the best, that it makes the romances more available, but I think it cheapens the entire concept of attraction and romance.  Futhermore, what I don't want is for there to be little-to-no difference in your choice of race in a world that is ridiculously racist.  It's almost completely pointless to have them if they are just carbon-copies of each other.   Bioware has already said that there are working on closing/opening different storyline routes depending on your choice of race, so why are romances any different?  Why is it acceptable to include racist plot dialogues and questlines and not acceptable to have racist LIs?

To be clear, I'd prefer if there weren't any race restrictions on romance, despite what I've just wrote.  Basically, 'yes to more racist realities in everything but romances' seems to be the general opinion of BSN and I find it a little hypocritical considering, as I've said, not finding people of a certain race physically attractive (AND PLEASE, NOTE I'VE SAID PHYSICAL) isn't necessarily racist...

Modifié par JBDXB, 17 septembre 2013 - 01:55 .

[Patchwork]

Former_Fiend wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Star fury wrote...
Blah blah blah humans and elves can have children

Um, so can dwarves and humans. Can't qunari have children with other races and can't elves and dwarves have children?

Humans and dwarves can definitely have children. Unlike humans and elves, where the child is always a human, humans and dwarves apparenntly do produce true halfbreeds.

As for qunari, who knows. Don't think it's been stated one way or the other.

I'm kinda hoping that human/elf/dwarf plus qunari parents always equals qunari offspring. Or human + qunari = qunari at least.

[AmRMa]

I get both sides of the argument ex. a dwarf/elf/human romancing a Qunari is ridiculous to me. But it might not be to somebody else and if they want to play that way it won't bother me any- I just won't.

[Former_Fiend]

daveliam wrote...

Yeah, there is absolutely no reason to include these restrictions in the game because we have no evidence that suggests that the races cannot breed and produce offspring. In fact, we have evidence directly to the contrary. So the "logic" being used to suggest it is flawed at best.

Now, I wouldn't be opposed to a character having their own preference, but I think that this would end up adding in a really complicated element that the resources probably won't allow for because they would end up having to put in more romances to account for it. I just don't see that happening.

As many other have said, if the OP wants to play that way, then more power to you.  No reason to put those restrictions on everyone else when the lore doesn't support it.

I don't know if reproduction should really enter into it. People have sex for a lot of reasons beyond having kids. People who physically can't have kids still have sex. And unless we're going for another dark ritual like scenario, we're not going to be knocking any of the LI's up over the course of the game.

What I find interesting is that despite the OP not having a problem with Human/Elf relationships, those relationships seem to be the most contraversial within the story precisely because they produce offspring. Elves look down on other elves who enter in relations with humans because all their children are going to be human, and if it became a common practice it could contribute to the elves eventually dying out. 

[Former_Fiend]

Ser Bard wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Star fury wrote...
Blah blah blah humans and elves can have children

Um, so can dwarves and humans. Can't qunari have children with other races and can't elves and dwarves have children?

Humans and dwarves can definitely have children. Unlike humans and elves, where the child is always a human, humans and dwarves apparenntly do produce true halfbreeds.

As for qunari, who knows. Don't think it's been stated one way or the other.

I'm kinda hoping that human/elf/dwarf plus qunari parents always equals qunari offspring. Or human + qunari = qunari at least.

Now that would be interesting. See how the humans like being on the other end of that.

[daveliam]

Former_Fiend wrote...

I don't know if reproduction should really enter into it. People have sex for a lot of reasons beyond having kids. People who physically can't have kids still have sex. And unless we're going for another dark ritual like scenario, we're not going to be knocking any of the LI's up over the course of the game.

What I find interesting is that despite the OP not having a problem with Human/Elf relationships, those relationships seem to be the most contraversial within the story precisely because they produce offspring. Elves look down on other elves who enter in relations with humans because all their children are going to be human, and if it became a common practice it could contribute to the elves eventually dying out. 

Yeah, I agree.  I was only referring to the OP referencing physiology as a reason why to restrict the romance.  Of course, if we go by the true biological definition of a species, then they would all be the same species if they could produce viable reproductive offspring.  I tend to dislike those arguments as well though since they negate same sex couples, infertile couples, or post-menopausal couples.

I tend to say that the romances are fine without adding in arbitrary restriction.

Modifié par daveliam, 17 septembre 2013 - 02:03 .

[The Qun & the Damned]

Heidenreich wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

<_<

[Eragon-]

Star fury wrote...

Eragon- wrote...

Bets on how long this thread will last.
I say, about 4 pages.

Just a question though, how is anyone stopping you from playing the way you described ?

Don't see any problem with the logical request. Thread derailing is a complete different matter. 

Your request translates to this,

"I can already play the game the way I want to but, I want everybody to play it the way I do. Its my way or the highway"

[Former_Fiend]

daveliam wrote...


Yeah, I agree.  I was only referring to the OP referencing physiology as a reason why to restrict the romance.  Of course, if we go by the true biological definition of a species, then they would all be the same species if they could produce viable reproductive offspring.  I tend to dislike those arguments as well though since they negate same sex couples, infertile couples, or post-menopausal couples.

I tend to say that the romances are fine without adding in arbitrary restriction.

Agreed.

I'm more for the possibility of interracial relationships increasing content, not decreasing it. 

If a male human hooks up with Blonde Elf Girl or a female human hooks up with Bald Elf Guy, the kid issue should be commented upon. 

A dwarf romancing a non dwarf should have a different romance scene due to the height differences.

These things shouldn't take away from romances, they should add to them.

[jtav]

I think there should be in some cases. For instance, Varric has said he's not into humans, and is old and experienced enough to know his mind here. So he shouldn't be available for humans no matter how badly some people want to romance him.