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[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Merrill seems quite open-minded compared to some of the other Dalish.

And yeah, I thought she was from a different clan.  Still, having a powerful elf-blooded mage owing them his life might make them overlook his human-ness

She's simply open minded about different things. Maerthari shows more open mindness than Merrill does.

You meet her and Maer in DE origin.

What? They do not look at Merrill in high regard. They can barely stand her. Look at how they treat her when you recruit her and compare it to how they treat Hawke. Their reaction to him getting her away from them is gratefulness. Hawke might be a shem but Merrill to them (except Mare) is worse.

It's an area that could be improved upon in future installments.

There's plenty of racism already in the game though. I mean unless the PC and their LI is walking down the street hand in hand I don't see an instance where it needs to be expanded on.

"PC you and that elf are together. That's nasty." 

"And...?"

Unless there's gonna be another companion or something that makes a big deal of it I don't see the point.

Maybe.  But there'll almost certainly be other humans, elves, dwarves, and qunari to make comments.  Heck it could factor into alliances that might or might not form.

...I'm pretty sure that big veil in the sky with demons pouring out of it isn't going to stop them from accepting your alliance because you're sleeping with a dalish elf on the side. There comes a point where that stuff doesn't matter. The DEs might have some scathing remarks about it but what are they gonna do? fight alone and die instead?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 02:30 .

[kinderschlager]

*is still surprised about which threads become threadnoughts and which whimper and die*

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Depends on what you mean by "black." I find a lot of African American features very unappealing to me sexually, but I'll still be friends with black chicks anyday. 

Okay did you find any black female you know/have ever seen  to be sexually attractive? Yes or no? 

Sure, most of them are leaning towards being more white than being black. It's not a cultural thing, There are just certain features that I find attractive and most black women that I see lack them. Not all of them of course, skin tone is not something that I find attractive in the slightest. 

[AresKeith]

FreshIstay wrote...

Or people are trying to find ways to prove they aren't racist  when they really are, which is perfectly fine tbh. But I dont have to duck and dodge I'll call it when I see it.  So what? No one's going to admit it, people like to use coded language to hide, but doesn't everyone know your talking about a black guy when you say "Athletic Quaterback", same exact coded language in a different context on BSN.

Yeaaa no

You're trying to see what you want to see

[Angrywolves]

Gaider wants to cut back on romances anyway.
Perhaps future protagonists would be limited on who they could romance based upon their origin , past history , and upbringing.

[Gwydden]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

You do realise that, should what you suggest be implemented, every PC would likely have a single set posibble LI depending on his/her gender, race and who knows what else?

Hardly. I'm not saying that the character resrictions need to be harsh. I'm saying that they need to be there.

Maybe Varric only likes dwarves, male or female. Maybe Cassandra only likes non-Qunari, and perhaps only males. Maybe Vivenne likes anything that's not anti-mage.

I'm afraid you're confusing my argument with the OP's.

Let's say Varric only likes female dwarves. There is a 75% chance the Inquisitor is not a dwarf. Considering that all games so far have had two LIs per gender, that would leave straight non dwarven females and gay males with only one possible LI.

[Realmzmaster]

I find it once again interesting that some posters want almost total realism in the romantic relationships but not in other aspects of the game. Some of the posters here have posted in other threads and deemed some of those other aspects as micromanaging. So I see some posters want realism where they want it and not where others want it. So once again I am left asking how much realism should be in a fantasy game?

I see no problem with the LIs being player sexual. I really do not care about the realism aspect if in other parts of the game realism gets thrown out the window.

I play games to have fun.

I also have no problem with posters personal preferences. If in their opinion black woman are unattractive that is fine. I also would not have you judge a beauty contest if you voiced that opinion or knew you had that opinion.

I loved women of all races and colors. I used to truly believe in a rainbow of opportunity until I met my wife of 31 years. My wife still points out good looking men. Sometimes I do have to wipe the drool from her mouth, but she does the same for me with good looking women. Because in the end we are going home with each other.
Off topic: The secret to a good marriage is to fall in love everyday with the same person.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Sure, most of them are leaning towards being more white than being black. It's not a cultural thing, There are just certain features that I find attractive and most black women that I see lack them. Not all of them of course, skin tone is not something that I find attractive in the slightest. 

fair enough. But that means you don't find the race as a whole unattractive.

I'm kind of confused how anyone can be unattracted to a whole race when people across a race can look so different thanks to race mixing.

[AresKeith]

Gwydden wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

You do realise that, should what you suggest be implemented, every PC would likely have a single set posibble LI depending on his/her gender, race and who knows what else?

Hardly. I'm not saying that the character resrictions need to be harsh. I'm saying that they need to be there.

Maybe Varric only likes dwarves, male or female. Maybe Cassandra only likes non-Qunari, and perhaps only males. Maybe Vivenne likes anything that's not anti-mage.

I'm afraid you're confusing my argument with the OP's.

Let's say Varric only likes female dwarves. There is a 75% chance the Inquisitor is not a dwarf. Considering that all games so far have had two LIs per gender, that would leave straight non dwarven females and gay males with only one possible LI.

There's a chance Varric won't even be a romance anyway

[Ryzaki]

Gwydden wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

You do realise that, should what you suggest be implemented, every PC would likely have a single set posibble LI depending on his/her gender, race and who knows what else?

Hardly. I'm not saying that the character resrictions need to be harsh. I'm saying that they need to be there.

Maybe Varric only likes dwarves, male or female. Maybe Cassandra only likes non-Qunari, and perhaps only males. Maybe Vivenne likes anything that's not anti-mage.

I'm afraid you're confusing my argument with the OP's.

Let's say Varric only likes female dwarves. There is a 75% chance the Inquisitor is not a dwarf. Considering that all games so far have had two LIs per gender, that would leave straight non dwarven females and gay males with only one possible LI.

hell if DAO is any indication it's more like a 95% chance the Inq isn't a dwarf.

[Gwydden]

AresKeith wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

You
do realise that, should what you suggest be implemented, every PC would
likely have a single set posibble LI depending on his/her gender, race
and who knows what else?

Hardly. I'm not saying that the character resrictions need to be harsh. I'm saying that they need to be there.

Maybe
Varric only likes dwarves, male or female. Maybe Cassandra only likes
non-Qunari, and perhaps only males. Maybe Vivenne likes anything that's
not anti-mage.

I'm afraid you're confusing my argument with the OP's.

Let's
say Varric only likes female dwarves. There is a 75% chance the
Inquisitor is not a dwarf. Considering that all games so far have had
two LIs per gender, that would leave straight non dwarven females and
gay males with only one possible LI.

There's a chance Varric won't even be a romance anyway

It was just an example, really.

Modifié par Gwydden, 18 septembre 2013 - 02:38 .

[Gwydden]

Ryzaki wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

You do realise that, should what you suggest be implemented, every PC would likely have a single set posibble LI depending on his/her gender, race and who knows what else?

Hardly. I'm not saying that the character resrictions need to be harsh. I'm saying that they need to be there.

Maybe Varric only likes dwarves, male or female. Maybe Cassandra only likes non-Qunari, and perhaps only males. Maybe Vivenne likes anything that's not anti-mage.

I'm afraid you're confusing my argument with the OP's.

Let's say Varric only likes female dwarves. There is a 75% chance the Inquisitor is not a dwarf. Considering that all games so far have had two LIs per gender, that would leave straight non dwarven females and gay males with only one possible LI.

hell if DAO is any indication it's more like a 95% chance the Inq isn't a dwarf.

Which does not make things better, yes.

[Ryzaki]

Gwydden wrote...

It was just an example, really.

I know but it just shows. How many resources are *really* going to go into a LI that's at best reaching 5% of your audience? 

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

It was just an example, really.

I know but it just shows. How many resources are *really* going to go into a LI that's at best reaching 5% of your audience? 

*cough* Jacob *cough*

[vertigomez]

The problem with most (hypothetical) restrictions is that people think their personal headcanon is god. They say, "Well, I can't imagine Character X with a dwarf so they could never ever ever be attracted to one." That's fine if it's your game, your playthrough, and you can ignore whatever aspects of a character's sexuality squick you out (though I don't think that attitude is very healthy, myself). Instead of asking, "Why would Cassandra fall in love with a qunari?" ask yourself, "Why the hell not?" Ultimately, the devs will decide how open-minded our love interests are, and I hope they err on the side of free love because there's a WHOLE CONTINENT full of NPCs who can be racist and awful... why does it have to be your LI?

Our PCs - from every game - are extraordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. Social taboos ("you're with an ELF ahahahdfks;;;") take a backseat to kicking ass.

[AlexanderCousland]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Sure, most of them are leaning towards being more white than being black. It's not a cultural thing, There are just certain features that I find attractive and most black women that I see lack them. Not all of them of course, skin tone is not something that I find attractive in the slightest. 

fair enough. But that means you don't find the race as a whole unattractive.

I'm kind of confused how anyone can be unattracted to a whole race when people across a race can look so different thanks to race mixing.

I think it's a huge load of crap when someone try's to imply they aren't attracted to a whole group of people.

Seriously, a WHOLE GROUP. I usually dont find Asain women attractive but I won't say that I wouldn't be interested in a woman because she is Asian, I mean, how many of them exist, millions right? Im positive there could be a woman with that race I could develop feelings for, the same goes for every other race.

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

It was just an example, really.

I know but it just shows. How many resources are *really* going to go into a LI that's at best reaching 5% of your audience? 

*cough* Jacob *cough*

Case in point.

[Fast Jimmy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Sure, most of them are leaning towards being more white than being black. It's not a cultural thing, There are just certain features that I find attractive and most black women that I see lack them. Not all of them of course, skin tone is not something that I find attractive in the slightest. 

fair enough. But that means you don't find the race as a whole unattractive.

I'm kind of confused how anyone can be unattracted to a whole race when people across a race can look so different thanks to race mixing.

Well, DA2 elves certainly made a case for it. 

[Br3admax]

FreshIstay wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Sure, most of them are leaning towards being more white than being black. It's not a cultural thing, There are just certain features that I find attractive and most black women that I see lack them. Not all of them of course, skin tone is not something that I find attractive in the slightest. 

fair enough. But that means you don't find the race as a whole unattractive.

I'm kind of confused how anyone can be unattracted to a whole race when people across a race can look so different thanks to race mixing.

I think it's a huge load of crap when someone try's to imply they aren't attracted to a whole group of people.

Seriously, a WHOLE GROUP. I usually dont find Asain women attractive but I won't say that I wouldn't be interested in a woman because she is Asian, I mean, how many of them exist, millions right? Im positive there could be a woman with that race I could develop feelings for, the same goes for every other race.

Hahaha, millions of asian people? Check your calculator again. 

[Gwydden]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Let's say Varric only likes female dwarves. There is a 75% chance the Inquisitor is not a dwarf. Considering that all games so far have had two LIs per gender, that would leave straight non dwarven females and gay males with only one possible LI.

What? You had three in DA:O, and every single available LI in DA ][ except Sebastion. Your math isn't correct, it's two other possible LIs.

Not really. Most people, and most PCs, aren't bisexual. And if hypothetical LI Varric has restrictions, others will too, and the PC might end up with zero romances.

Modifié par Gwydden, 18 septembre 2013 - 02:45 .

[Bionuts]

Seriously, Cassandra would be great with a female qunari.

[Ironic Discordia]

Gwydden wrote...

mutant_anemone wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

And idk about you, but pissing off a powerful apostate (possibly even a blood mage) with friends in the City Guard and who works directly for the Viscount is not a plan with a long term benefits.

There's a trope for that.

At any rate, I think if you're in an interracial relationship it should be acknowledged... even if it's a one-off line about how it doesn't change your feelings for that person. It doesn't have to be something huge that'll take away from one's enjoyment of the romance; as I said before, I always liked Alistair's fretful "I was worried you'd think I was too tall" comment to dwarf PCs. Even Gamlen's inappropriate (inappropriate IRL, I mean... obviously it was true to his character, lol) comment to m!Hawke romancing Fenris: "So... you're into elves, huh? Guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl..." It's all about context.

But what I can't understand is why some people would rather have, say, four love interests... and have one or two or ALL of them say, "I just don't do dwarves." Why not make an NPC who says that? Why does it have to be a romanceable character, one of approximately four people in the entire WORLD who might be interested in your PC, who turns around and says... "NOPE, you have pointy ears, gtfo."

I always wonder the same. There are just so many LI in every single game, due to unavoidable limitations. And still, people always seem to be looking for reasons to have even lest available per character.

Seriously. I don't get fans. With Origins, people were unhappy that Alistair and Morrigan were only available to opposite gendered PCs. (Which I get. Realistically, some people are just straight, but it's exclusive.) With DA2, it was a travesty that all the LIs were bisexual, because that's so unrealistic. (I viewed their orientations as mostly conditional and thought it was nice that everyone had a shot with the LI they wanted.

I would like some acknowledgment from the LI, companions, or Inquisitor on the subject of inter-racial relationships, but I don't see the point in limiting the players' options. It just seems to boil down to, "This idea makes me uncomfortable, so no one should do it." Kind of like how some people seem personally affronted by the mere notion that different people play the game differently than they do.