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[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Race mixing is a whole 'nother issue as you may recall from the other thread recently. Suffice to say we're not talking about mixed folk--you can't play a half-elf half-human so it isn't relevant.

Let's not forget the context here. DA I.

Wait so now you want to bounce back to DAI context now that I called into question your RL context (which is utterly baffling).

Really?

[Eragon-]

EntropicAngel wrote...

krul2k wrote...

think its time to start up drinking again

Don't play the BSN Drinking/Romance game--you'll end up an alcoholic.

Or dead.

[vertigomez]

Bionuts wrote...

Seriously, Cassandra would be great with a female qunari.

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I would like some acknowledgment from the LI, companions, or Inquisitor on the subject of inter-racial relationships, but I don't see the point in limiting the players' options. It just seems to boil down to, "This idea makes me uncomfortable, so no one should do it." Kind of like how some people seem personally affronted by the mere notion that different people play the game differently than they do.

Praise you!  Truest words I've read all night.

[Gwydden]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Not really. Most people, and most PCs, aren't bisexual. And if hypothetical LI Varric has restrictions, others will too, and the PC might end up with cero romances.

Alright, I see what you're saying.

In that case, I'd say extend the number of LIs to a slightly larger group but make their possible romance combinations more restrictive.

That's the issue. Bioware could do it sort of like Mass Effect 3, but they don't want to, because of resources and because they don't really want to add to much to the romance part of the game ( which I understand). At  best, I guess this time around they'll do it Mass Effect 2 like, with three LIs per gender.

[Ryzaki]

Honestly for the sheer lulz I'd love it if

Cassandra - Restricted to female qunari (she's horny okay)
Varric - Females dwarves
Cullen - Female mages (can be elf or human class is important here)
GW dude - Female humans
Iron Bull - Male Qunari
Sara - Human males, male elves.

Everyone else just has to deal with being forever alone. Sucks to be you.

[Ironic Discordia]

mutant_anemone wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Seriously, Cassandra would be great with a female qunari.

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I would like some acknowledgment from the LI, companions, or Inquisitor on the subject of inter-racial relationships, but I don't see the point in limiting the players' options. It just seems to boil down to, "This idea makes me uncomfortable, so no one should do it." Kind of like how some people seem personally affronted by the mere notion that different people play the game differently than they do.

Praise you!  Truest words I've read all night.

I think I may be paraphrasing you. Possibly Aimo. I saw something to the effect on Tumblr earlier.

But seriously, that is what requesting romance restrictions on the probably 4 LIs sounds like to me.

[Gwydden]

Ryzaki wrote...

Honestly for the sheer lulz I'd love it if

Cassandra - Restricted to female qunari (she's horny okay)
Varric - Females dwarves
Cullen - Female mages (can be elf or human class is important here)
GW dude - Female humans
Iron Bull - Male Qunari
Sara - Human males, male elves.

Everyone else just has to deal with being forever alone. Sucks to be you.

My point exactly.

[Boiny Bunny]

Ryzaki wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

It was just an example, really.

I know but it just shows. How many resources are *really* going to go into a LI that's at best reaching 5% of your audience? 

You have a point - but that's an extreme example.

It's nice to have choice of LIs, but I think DA:O had the superior system (some characters bi, some straight) to DA2.  Likewise, DA:I could (as somebody has already suggested) have Cassandra be unwilling to romance Qunari, or Vivienne unwilling to romance people who side with the Templars.  Probably no need to be more specific as that, (e.g. Varric only romancing female Dwarves - which could be a little as 2% or so).

For me, it's simply a matter of not contradicting the who the characters are.  For me, the idea of romancing (say) Anders in DA2 while constantly supporting the Templars in front of him seemed ridiculous.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 18 septembre 2013 - 02:57 .

[vertigomez]

Ironic Discordia wrote...

I think I may be paraphrasing you. Possibly Aimo. I saw something to the effect on Tumblr earlier.

But seriously, that is what requesting romance restrictions on the probably 4 LIs sounds like to me.

Ah, might have been me then. Aimo reblogged my word vomit one of my ranty dwarf posts.

Still, it's good to know someone else is on the same wavelength.

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I'm not "bouncing back" anything. I've always been speaking in terms of DA I. I made this post a page or so back:

Yeah I was referring to this train of conversation

EntropicAngel wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Sorry,
but' s it's pretty racist to say a whole group of females are
unattractive because of their skin color. It's not racist to say, "I
usually dont prefer black women",  It is very racist to say every single
woman who is black is unattractive because she is black. It's perfectly
fine to have preferences though. 

Sorry, i
disagree completely. My attraction or lack therof has no bearing
whatsoever on how I treat someone, or even how much i like them as a
person--hence, it's not racism. 

That wasn't DAI related. That was RL related. And that's what I found baffling.

[Ryzaki]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

You have a point - but that's an extreme example.

It's nice to have choice of LIs, but I think DA:O had the superior system (some characters bi, some straight) to DA2.  Likewise, DA:I could (as somebody has already suggested) have Cassandra be unwilling to romance Qunari, or Vivienne unwilling to romance people who side with the Templars.  Probably no need to be more specific as that, (e.g. Varric only romancing female Dwarves - which could be a little as 2% or so).

For me, it's simply a matter of not contradicting the who the characters are.  For me, the idea of romancing (say) Anders in DA2 while constantly supporting the Templars in front of him seemed ridiculous.

It...really isn't. Jacob Taylor is another example as is Thane. FemShep had a smaller percentage of people using her LIs and you can see how they got the backburner.

I don't see how DAO had a superior system. It had gift spamming and the I get 2 choices you get 1 aspect. Vivienne unwilling to romance templar siding people to me is perfectly perfectly desirable and something I'd actually want. Cassandra being unwilling to romance Qunari (who don't even follow the Qun) is where I'm a bit "eh..."

How is it contradicting Cassandra to have her romance a Qunari (who I will say again does not follow the qun.) ?

Anders wasn't so ridculous when you took some context. He's a clingy obsessed man. Not to mention for all the templar supporting Hawke does Hawke never successfully hands him over to the templars (even warning Cullen about what anders is about to do for some baffling reason does nothing) or betrays the man (and the one time you *can* betray him is also the one time he will break up with you). So not that strange. Anders is clingy, desperate for affection and a leech. And pro templar Hawke still doesn't committ atrocities worse he/she does is hand over questionable mages to the circle or kill bloodmages who attack him/her first.

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...
I only made that statement because someone else claimed it was racism. That wasn't where I was trying to take my statements here, but someone else saw it and decided to call me a racist.

Not racism sure but it is also highly unlikely and implausible because of said race mixing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:07 .

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

But I consider mixed folks a different category thabn either so it's not the same.

Since you insist on continuing the RL side of this (which will only get this thread locked if it doesn't pertain to DA I like everything else has).

...you do realize a fair amount of black people in European countries would be mixed right? if only slightly? You don't have to be half and half to be mixed.

But yes that'll get the thread locked so *shrugs* I'm just wow.

On the DAI side. There's nothing to suggest our companions (that we know of) would have a repulsion/distaste for a certain races. Closest is Varric's "I prefer cute dwarven serving girls" remark and his I'm not into humans remarks (which if anyone could quote exactly would be great).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[Gwydden]

On the DAI side. There's nothing to suggest our companions (that we know of) would have a repulsion/distaste for a certain race. Closest is Varric's "I prefer cute dwarven serving girls" remark and his I'm not into humans remarks (which if anyone could quote exactly would be great).

I always took that as a joke. I'm actually surprised people thought it was a serious statement. Not the first time that happens though.

Modifié par Gwydden, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[vertigomez]

Ryzaki wrote...

On the DAI side. There's nothing to suggest our companions (that we know of) would have a repulsion/distaste for a certain race. Closest is Varric's "I prefer cute dwarven serving girls" remark and his I'm not into humans remarks (which if anyone could quote exactly would be great).

I don't remember the one about dwarven serving girls, but he does say: "She [Hawke] can barely keep her hands off me. Pity I'm not into humans." during a flirt with Merrill, provided he's in the party. However, I don't put much stock in it simply because his tone was tongue-in-cheek...

And he mentions needing a cold shower after talking to Idunna the human prostitute.

Modifié par mutant_anemone, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:27 .

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Just so you know, I am mixed. Don't make any assumptions.

And--no one is saying there is a repulsion. No one is saying there is a distaste. The fact that you do not want to have sex with them HAS NO BEARING ON your opinion of the race.

That seems to keep coming up.

Then as a mixed person you saying that just has me smh harder.

Romance isn't just restricted to sex though. (As Seb shows) It helps (very much so) but it's not a necessity. So what exactly stops them from romancing the PC? Can't be personality. I'm willing to bet my eyes I can make almost every origin act like a similar if not exactly the same person. Can't be actions or morality that has the same issue as personality. So what exactly other than the shape of their bodies is stopping them from romancing the PC? Seeing as there's a 99% chance you can make the PC have the same personality and actions regardless of species.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:30 .