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[Gwydden]

Ryzaki wrote...

Romance isn't just restricted to sex though. (As Seb shows) It helps (very much so) but it's not a necessity. So what exactly stops them from romancing the PC? Can't be personality. I'm willing to bet my eyes I can make almost every origin act like a similar if not exactly the same person. Can't be actions or morality that has the same issue as personality.

That particular statement is actually subjective to what every person considers romance. But semantics aside, it could be stated that people often end up with the most unexpected companions, in the romantic sense.

[Ryzaki]

Gwydden wrote...
That particular statement is actually subjective to what every person considers romance. But semantics aside, it could be stated that people often end up with the most unexpected companions, in the romantic sense.

Alright going by the BW standard of romance one is possible with Seb. (I didn't find it to be much of one myself but that was more the lack of scenes in general with him than sex. Though the lack of putting out did hurt him )

True.

I'm just confused as to why Cassandra for example would be completely unavailable to romance to a Qunari. What exactly about a Qunari would hit her "nope won't fall in love with." button? 

[Gwydden]

Also, romance doesn't imply love. A good example of this is Isabela. The Inquisitor and companion may just be friends with benefits. Or not even that.

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...
I said the wrong thing again--I should have said "finds them attractive." You might have a friendship, but not necessarily a romance.

I just really dislike this notion that someone not wanting to romance you means they find your race "repulsive" or "distasteful." I think that's an exaggeration.

But this goes back to the and why wouldn't they in time find things attractive about them? It's not like the races (other than Qunari) actually look that different from each other. It's Asari factor. Elves are skinny humans, dwarves are short stout humans. Only race that looks a bit less humanoid are the Qunari and they're mostly BIG humans with grey skin and horns.

[Gwydden]

Ryzaki wrote...

Gwydden wrote...
That particular statement is actually subjective to what every person considers romance. But semantics aside, it could be stated that people often end up with the most unexpected companions, in the romantic sense.

Alright going by the BW standard of romance one is possible with Seb. (I didn't find it to be much of one myself but that was more the lack of scenes in general with him than sex. Though the lack of putting out did hurt him )

True.

I'm just confused as to why Cassandra for example would be completely unavailable to romance to a Qunari. What exactly about a Qunari would hit her "nope won't fall in love with." button? 

She's afraid of the horns?

[Bionuts]

Lol all you ignorants

Cassandra is totally into female Qunari. Any other opinion is notrelevant.

[vertigomez]

Ryzaki wrote...

I'm just confused as to why Cassandra for example would be completely unavailable to romance to a Qunari. What exactly about a Qunari would hit her "nope won't fall in love with." button? 

Literally the only thing is people making assumptions based on what they want.

Cassandra's never told us she thinks qunari are ugly.

[Ryzaki]

Gwydden wrote...

Also, romance doesn't imply love. A good example of this is Isabela. The Inquisitor and companion may just be friends with benefits. Or not even that.

To be fair I'm working off BW romance standard. Where romance does equal love.

I believe Isabela eventually falls in love with the protagonist. (I only did her romance once though so I don't remember it that well). She felt like Morrigan and Zev to me. FWB first fall in love later. Where the rest of the LIs were the typical fall in love then sex mold. (Well save Fenris who was fall in love sex then run away in denial for 3 years >_> ) 

She's afraid of the horns?

My Qunari would file his horns down for her love.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Bionuts]

mutant_anemone wrote...

Cassandra's never told us she thinks qunari are ugly.

She never would.

These are her thoughts.

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The fact that Qunari are generally of the Qun, which is strongly anti-Chantry, and she might...ah, what's the word...project, I think. She might project that onto all Qunari, regardless of whether they follow the Qun or not.

Now, if the PC was very "paragon" and very nice and generally anti-Qun I could see there being a place where she considers the romance. Maybe.

And that means she can't get over it with time and understanding and romance the PC anyway? You know those misunderstandings might actually give her romance a boost with a Qunari and make it more interesting (and you know differentiate it from the other romances so it's not all cookie cutter).

Which is what I'm asking for. romances based off character actions and morality and not race. A human who acts like a douchecanoe shouldn't be able to romance Cassandra anymore than a Qunari douchecanoe should.

[Gwydden]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Alright going by the BW standard of romance one is possible with Seb. (I didn't find it to be much of one myself but that was more the lack of scenes in general with him than sex. Though the lack of putting out did hurt him )

True.

I'm just confused as to why Cassandra for example would be completely unavailable to romance to a Qunari. What exactly about a Qunari would hit her "nope won't fall in love with." button? 

The fact that Qunari are generally of the Qun, which is strongly anti-Chantry, and she might...ah, what's the word...project, I think. She might project that onto all Qunari, regardless of whether they follow the Qun or not.

Now, if the PC was very "paragon" and very nice and generally anti-Qun I could see there being a place where she considers the romance. Maybe.

That's just an assumption. We don't really know anything in particular about the character that would make that a likely outcome, and she could have easily changed since we last saw her.

[Bionuts]

EntropicAngel wrote...


The fact that Qunari are generally of the Qun, which is strongly anti-Chantry, and she might...ah, what's the word...project, I think. She might project that onto all Qunari, regardless of whether they follow the Qun or not.

Now, if the PC was very "paragon" and very nice and generally anti-Qun I could see there being a place where she considers the romance. Maybe.

Projecting, much?

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Yeah, she basically has sex and then is like "hey, we were just rutting, right? Right?" And you can agree or disagree. Then she eventually says she's falling for you.

Although she still tries to bang Zevran when she claims to be in love with you, something I did not like. But that's another topic.

Ah.

It's Isabela though. Expecting her to turn down sex is like expecting Fenris to turn down a chance to kill a slaver. He could but...it's not really likely. Doesn't she invite you anyway? That's real love

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:45 .

[Br3admax]

It's really fun because nine times out of ten, 6/9 LIs will be human anyway.

[Gwydden]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

The fact that Qunari are generally of the Qun, which is strongly anti-Chantry, and she might...ah, what's the word...project, I think. She might project that onto all Qunari, regardless of whether they follow the Qun or not.

Now, if the PC was very "paragon" and very nice and generally anti-Qun I could see there being a place where she considers the romance. Maybe.

And that means she can't get over it with time and understanding and romance the PC anyway? You know those misunderstandings might actually give her romance a boost with a Qunari and make it more interesting (and you know differentiate it from the other romances so it's not all cookie cutter).

Which is what I'm asking for. romances based off character actions and morality and not race. A human who acts like a douchecanoe shouldn't be able to romance Cassandra anymore than a Qunari douchecanoe should.

That's what I said in my second sentence.

And I agree there should be somewhat, SOMEwhat, more alignment restrictions as well. But a human, in Cassandra's case, doesn't have to overcome her internal prejudice against Qunari, so they have...less to go.

That might be a bit (or a lot) hard to do.

That actually sounds good. Restricting romances when the personalities are not compatible and/or maybe even making them more difficult based on certain factors is just making you work for it, and may even facilitate roleplaying (i.e. a douchebag becoming less of a douchebag to romance a certain character).

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...
That's what I said in my second sentence.

And I agree there should be somewhat, SOMEwhat, more alignment restrictions as well. But a human, in Cassandra's case, doesn't have to overcome her internal prejudice against Qunari, so they have...less to go.

That might be a bit (or a lot) hard to do.

Fair enough.

Overcoming her internal prejudice is fine if she actually has any. But being blocked completely from the romance loses me.

Wouldn't have to be hard. A few extra conversations or alternate dialogues where she asks you about being a Tal Valsoth (which would have the double benefit of us seeing options of how Tal Vas live and giving our character some additional optional backstory) could be good. She could simply do different background questions depending on origin.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

It's really fun because nine times out of ten, 6/9 LIs will be human anyway.

And the other 3 will be elves.

I'm really hoping I'm wrong but...

[Gwydden]

Br3ad wrote...

It's really fun because nine times out of ten, 6/9 LIs will be human anyway.

I suspect they will be more variety in Dragon Age 3, but that's just a gut feeling. I've always prefered humans (as PC and as LI), anyway, so it's not really that much of a difference to me.

[Ryzaki]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ah.

It's Isabela though. Expecting her to turn down sex is like expecting Fenris to turn down a chance to kill a slaver. He could but...it's not really likely. Doesn't she invite you anyway? That's real love

She never mentions beforehand that this is an "open relationship." I wonder who else she has been banging behing Hawke's back.

It's...Isabela though. How do you romance her and not expect her to sleep around? She flat out tells you it was just for fun. And her curiousity was...sated.

Does she even get jealous when you flirt with other people like the rest of the LIs? Cause I don't think she does.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:51 .