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[Former_Fiend]

jtav wrote...

I think there should be in some cases. For instance, Varric has said he's not into humans, and is old and experienced enough to know his mind here. So he shouldn't be available for humans no matter how badly some people want to romance him.

There was always kind of a hint that Varric just used the "not into humans" excuse to cover the fact he was heartbroken over Bianca.

[vertigomez]

Absolutely not. I said it before, and I'll say it again:

"I said it before and I’ll say it again: In just about every human-dwarf-elf high fantasy setting, humans and elves hook up all the time with no problem, they fall in love, get married, blah blah… but dwarves are treated as this “other” who, for some mysterious reason (hint: it squicks the author and/or fanbase out) are ONLY interested in other dwarves. They default to being the comic relief character or (in Varric’s case) the “buddy” character. When’s the last time you saw an elf fall in love with a dwarf (who was not your PC)?

"

Having humans and elves be the only ones who shack up because it makes YOU uncomfortable is stupid.

[laudable11]

Navasha wrote...

Tell you what... You just play the game that way and you will be entirely happy. The rest of us will play how we want to and also be happy. Doesn't that seem like the more obvious choice?

[Iakus]

Former_Fiend wrote...

I don't know if reproduction should really enter into it. People have sex for a lot of reasons beyond having kids. People who physically can't have kids still have sex. And unless we're going for another dark ritual like scenario, we're not going to be knocking any of the LI's up over the course of the game.

Well, Morrigan can have a kid even without the Dark Ritual, so...

What I find interesting is that despite the OP not having a problem with Human/Elf relationships, those relationships seem to be the most contraversial within the story precisely because they produce offspring. Elves look down on other elves who enter in relations with humans because all their children are going to be human, and if it became a common practice it could contribute to the elves eventually dying out. 

I think the possibility of having kids should be a factor in certain relationships.  As you said, the possibility of having elf-blooded humans.  There are also apparantly half-dwarves, though those are rare.  And we don't even know if qunari can have kids with any of the other three races.

Children are often a consequence of relationships.  Either through childbirth or adoption.  Whether such is possible or not, and desired or not, should be an aspect in a developing romantic relationship

[Former_Fiend]

Absolutely not. I said it before, and I'll say it again:

"I said it before and I’ll say it again: In just about every human-dwarf-elf high fantasy setting, humans and elves hook up all the time with no problem, they fall in love, get married, blah blah… but dwarves are treated as this “other” who, for some mysterious reason (hint: it squicks the author and/or fanbase out) are ONLY interested in other dwarves. They default to being the comic relief character or (in Varric’s case) the “buddy” character. When’s the last time you saw an elf fall in love with a dwarf (who was not your PC)?

"

Having humans and elves be the only ones who shack up because it makes YOU uncomfortable is stupid.

This, right here.

[ShadyKat]

Star fury wrote...

There needs to be some restrictions in place for romances. I mean dwarves could romance dwarves only, same with qunari. Humans and elves can romance each other but not qunari or dwarves. Everyone can understand why, qunari have one thing called the Qun and they have very strict rules. Dwarves have a very rigid social system and castes. So it's only logical thing to do. Not even mentioning physiology. 
Also we should consider that Thedas has it's fair share of xenophobia and racism.  

Humans are very racist towards elves, so why should they be avaliable for humans? Why not have human/human only romances?.....Why? Because it would be boring.
The devs have already said that human/dwarf romances produce half dwarfs, so we know they do have sex with one another. Also from what we know, our Qunari doesn't follow the Qun. So who says romance outside of the race is a no go?

Modifié par ShadyKat, 17 septembre 2013 - 03:12 .

[Iakus]

mutant_anemone wrote...

Absolutely not. I said it before, and I'll say it again:

"I said it before and I’ll say it again: In just about every human-dwarf-elf high fantasy setting, humans and elves hook up all the time with no problem, they fall in love, get married, blah blah… but dwarves are treated as this “other” who, for some mysterious reason (hint: it squicks the author and/or fanbase out) are ONLY interested in other dwarves. They default to being the comic relief character or (in Varric’s case) the “buddy” character. When’s the last time you saw an elf fall in love with a dwarf (who was not your PC)?

"

Having humans and elves be the only ones who shack up because it makes YOU uncomfortable is stupid.

Not particularly disagreeing with this, but I should also add again that such pairings, as well as human-elf, elf-dwarf, and qunari-anything should be something to comment on.Thedas is not what one would call an open-minded world about such things, and is quite full of Fantastic Racism where both humans and dwarves see themselves as Master Races.  Dalish too, for that matter.  City elves are looked down upon by all, even other elves.  And qunari have completely different concepts of relationships.

And this is without adding the whole issue of magic, political ramifications, friendship/rivalry, and such.

So, yeah, the PC and potential LI may see things differently, but society should have something to say on, um, "nonstandard pairings"

[kathic]

Threads like these are why you don't add Qunari to DA:I.

[vertigomez]

^I don't have a problem facing prejudice in-game; it's when the fans and developers can't get past their initial "squick" reaction to explore unconventional relationships (or let others do so) that I get annoyed.

[Dycho]

Like someone said before, drawfs CAN have children with humans (as such we can assume the same with elves as well). The only one you could argue with is Qunari but even then it's not common to see this relationship so we don't know IF reproduction is both possible or not.

Now a portion of your lacking logic is that people can't romance interracially because they can't have children. First of all have you even played Mass Effect? If not go and look up romances like Garrus or Tali. I'm a happily married man and am expecting my first child. But I by NO means during the first 2 and a half years of mine and my wife's relationship tried for a child. We had plenty of fun tho but shows you that the want for children isn't a determining factor in a relationship. Heck if my wife never wanted a child I'd be plenty happy with her.

Quite honestly the only race you EVEN have a chance on giving valid points against is Qunari. But that is thrown out the window due to 2 things. 1 they do not follow the qun, which was announced that your inquisitor Qunari won't be born with the qun. 2 restrictions is dumb since it would defer people from playing that race since its restricted by a degree. Again the Qunari is the only one you can argue against but nothing's on your side that will make this fall through to be anywhere near like "adding restrictions"...

I have an idea...why don't you play the game your way and we play it ours? Sounds good?

[Steelcan]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I say we do it just for the butthurt that will ensue my friends.

This human understands

[ScarMK]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I say we do it just for the butthurt that will ensue my friends.

Take it a step further and be rid of them completely. 

[maliluka]

Uhm I could care less who your characters sleep with, why should you try and limit who mine do.

[esper]

jtav wrote...

I think there should be in some cases. For instance, Varric has said he's not into humans, and is old and experienced enough to know his mind here. So he shouldn't be available for humans no matter how badly some people want to romance him.

Who says Varric will be avaiable to anyone? (Unless the Li have been revealed).

I personally don't think that we will get a Li dwarf or Ox-man, due to both dwarf and Ox-man being player options and I just don't see how Ox-man/dwarf pairing is physically possible, but I don't think that those Li that are avaiable should be limited by race selection.

Modifié par esper, 17 septembre 2013 - 03:38 .

[billy the squid]

maliluka wrote...

Uhm I could care less who your characters sleep with, why should you try and limit who mine do.

Damn right I want my Inquisitor to sleep with a broodmother, BioWare is so xenophobic for not letting me, right? Right guys?

If you can bang Qunari, dwarves and elves, I'd also like an option to screw a sibling while we're at it. I'm very open minded and I don't think such issues should be condemned, much the same way as Transgender romances have been discussed. I hope for a game where we can eventually bang the mailboxes free from any opression of a priviliged minority who only want a particular type of romance.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 septembre 2013 - 03:47 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Enough of xenophilia and bestiality. Get a life!

[The Six Path of Pain]

Hmmm maybe IF different people become romanceable depending on your race. But even then it wouldn't be as fun

[Ziggeh]

Star fury wrote...

Exactly! That's why it's not logical.

Have you ever noticed how human sexuality isn't identical across the entire species? 

Why would you imagine you could define a characters sexuality based purely on there race, and then call that logic?

Modifié par Ziggeh, 17 septembre 2013 - 03:48 .

[mikeymoonshine]

billy the squid wrote...

maliluka wrote...

Uhm I could care less who your characters sleep with, why should you try and limit who mine do.

Damn right I want my Inquisitor to sleep with a broodmother, BioWare is so xenophobic for not letting me, right? Right guys?

If you can bang Qunari, dwarves and elves, I'd also like an option to screw a sibling while we're at it. I'm very open minded and I don't think such issues should be condemned, much the same way as Transgender romances have been discussed. I hope for a game were we can eventually bang the mailboxes free from any opression of a priviliged minority who only want a particular type of romance.

 <_< oh dear

[billy the squid]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

maliluka wrote...

Uhm I could care less who your characters sleep with, why should you try and limit who mine do.

Damn right I want my Inquisitor to sleep with a broodmother, BioWare is so xenophobic for not letting me, right? Right guys?

If you can bang Qunari, dwarves and elves, I'd also like an option to screw a sibling while we're at it. I'm very open minded and I don't think such issues should be condemned, much the same way as Transgender romances have been discussed. I hope for a game were we can eventually bang the mailboxes free from any opression of a priviliged minority who only want a particular type of romance.

 <_< oh dear

I'm saying what you're all thinking. Freedom to bang! You know you would, you don't have to be shy about latent Nimphomania. I can understand your passion for mailboxes.

Besides, Dem Horns. 

[Mr.House]

There should be race restrictions, sadly people would scream Bioware is racist so not going to happen.

Also lol @ Billys comment. The tragic state of the bsn.

[Mr.House]

Morocco Mole wrote...

What is the point of different races if everyone is going to treat you the same?

They want to bang everyone, no matter the race. BSN logic trumps all logic.