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[Star fury]

zMataxa wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

zMataxa wrote...


If logic is your primary concern, then perhaps - you should not have a blue Asari as your logo.
I'm 100% sure YOU are not an blue Asari, nor can you become one.
Peace out.

....... What?

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OP's opening page had as it's main underlying argument that logic dictates that race restrictions are logical.
To me, it seemed ironic that OP's avatar is a "blue Asari" - leading to the point that sometimes we don't like the restrictions of this, that or the other thing, whether it be our LI, or PC choices.

"Have you ever faced an asari commando unit before? Few humans have."

[Wulfram]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Why not?

She's a fierce Chantry supporter, and you may recall from DA ][ that the Chantry and the Qunari...do not get along.

OK, Qunari the religion I can see the logic.  But Qunari the race doesn't seem like it would necessarily be an issue - and any Qunari looking for love is presumably not following the Qun.

Dalish would be more of an issue I'd think.

Though Cass' faith in Chantry sounds like it'll be shaken during the game, so a passionate love affair with a heathen might fit right in with her story arc.

Modifié par Wulfram, 17 septembre 2013 - 05:23 .

[zMataxa]

Star fury wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

zMataxa wrote...


If logic is your primary concern, then perhaps - you should not have a blue Asari as your logo.
I'm 100% sure YOU are not an blue Asari, nor can you become one.
Peace out.

....... What?

___________

OP's opening page had as it's main underlying argument that logic dictates that race restrictions are logical.
To me, it seemed ironic that OP's avatar is a "blue Asari" - leading to the point that sometimes we don't like the restrictions of this, that or the other thing, whether it be our LI, or PC choices.

"Have you ever faced an asari commando unit before? Few humans have."

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LOL!   Good one!

[PinkysPain]

Star fury wrote...
Everyone can understand why, qunari have one thing called the Qun

It's very unlikely the Kossith PC will be a Qunari (or in Bioware language for those who prefer "the Qunari PC will be a Qunari").

Not even mentioning physiology. 

There can be romance without physical intimacy, there can be intimacy without intercourse.

Also we should consider that Thedas has it's fair share of xenophobia and racism.

You should consider that most of us play Heroes the like of which Thedas sees a few times in a century ... my PC is so far out of the norm that to expect his relationships to be normal is silly.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 17 septembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[mikeymoonshine]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

OK, Qunari the religion I can see.  But Qunari the race doesn't seem like it would necessarily be an issue - and any Qunari looking for love is presumably not following the Qun.

Dalish would be more of an issue I'd think.

And Cass' faith in Chantry sounds like it'll be shaken during the game, so a passionate love affair with a heathen might fit right in with her story arc.

Seeing as how the devs have stated that the Chantry is neutral and doesn't want war--I don't see how her faith will be shaken at all.

And I imagine if you have a problem with their religion you'll have a problem with one of them, even if they're suddenly not of the Qun. Preferences don't vanish that easily. People don't just jump in bed with someone when that person's whole culture is something the other disagrees with strongly.

Well she joined the Inquisition which has been described as being in oposition to the chantry. I don't think she will lose her faith but I believe she has grown tired of the uselessness of the Chantry. 

Plus you are assuming Cassandra will have a problem with all Qunari even those who do not follow the Qun

[PinkysPain]

EntropicAngel wrote...
People don't just jump in bed with someone when that person's whole culture is something the other disagrees with strongly.

Not just, but yeah it happens ... it happens a whole lot.

[vertigomez]

I like the idea of interactions with love interests being subtly different based on your race. In DAO, if you were a lady dwarf romancing Alistair and you ask him if he's bothered by you being a dwarf, he replies, "Of course not. Don't be ridiculous. If anything, I was wondering if I was too tall." Likewise, someone told me Merrill will remark that any children she and male!Hawke have will be human... things like that are very good, they add depth to the relationship. Acknowledging that you're in an interracial relationship is nice, but arbitrary restrictions are bad.

Mr. House wrote...

It's more to do with a character. A character like Cass would simply not be into Qunari. I fear that if she is a lI, the writers will scerfice her character just so she can be romanced by a qunari to make the romance people happy and I don't like that. In DAO Morrigan being able to romance a dwarf just didn't fit for me, there was other issues like making a chantry hating blood elf mage fanatic romance Alistair. This stuff hurts the character. In fact I find the non-LI companions better written because stuff like this does not happen to them.

That's the thing, though... just because it doesn't fit for you, doesn't mean it doesn't fit at all. I can't really see Morrigan with a dwarf dude, either, but evidently other people can and I'm not gonna dictate how people should play their games.

[Wulfram]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Seeing as how the devs have stated that the Chantry is neutral and doesn't want war--I don't see how her faith will be shaken at all.

Game Informer
“To some degree, I think that Cassandra undergoes probably the biggest
transformative arc of any character in Dragon Age II,” Laidlaw says.
Cassandra has always supported the Chantry, but after talking to Varric
and seeing both sides of the issue, her opinions may change.

And I imagine if you have a problem with their religion you'll have a problem with one of them, even if they're suddenly not of the Qun. Preferences don't vanish that easily. People don't just jump in bed with someone when that person's whole culture is something the other disagrees with strongly.

"Suddenly" not of the Qun seems like an unwarranted assumption without knowing the backstory we'll get for the Qunari race in DA:I.  And a Tal Vashoth is quite liable to be as or more hostile to Qunari culture as anyone, I'd think.  And "just jump into bed" isn't necessarily a fair way to put a romance that may span the entire game.  And as she's someone of deep faith, I don't see her rejecting someone for being a convert, really.

Modifié par Wulfram, 17 septembre 2013 - 05:37 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I don't think Qunari biology would get along with human biology.

Doesn't sound like it.

[vertigomez]

Greylycantrope wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I don't think Qunari biology would get along with human biology.

Doesn't sound like it.

Sten was trolling Morrigan because she wouldn't stop harassing him.

[Flemmy]

I think it would be interesting with mix breeds such as elven qunari or so...
And right now I get a pretty cool image in my head sadly I can't paint it like that.

[Wulfram]

As far as size difference goes, these two are married

[Former_Fiend]

Ok, how about this. Bioware makes a RPG set in America in the 1930s.

Stop me if you see where I'm going with this.

They give you the option of playing as a man or a woman, and as white, black, asian, latino, and whatever else.

Being a Bioware game, they obviously include romance.

What is the better move here; to not include same sex or interracial relations because those things were not socially acceptable at the time, or to include them and deal with the consequences of it?

It's not as if these things didn't happen. They did. They happened a lot.

By instituting racial restrictions on romance, Bioware would not be reminding us of the prejudices of Thedas. They would be imposing those prejudices upon our characters.

[vertigomez]

Wulfram wrote...

As far as size difference goes, these two are married

Thank you.

I hardly see how height differences are a problem. Even if you're talking muscle mass, or your mind's in the gutter, couples have been working around that since the dawn of time. It's hardly a deal-breaker.

[Taura-Tierno]

Mr.House wrote...
It's more to do with a character. A character like Cass would simply not be into Qunari. I fear that if she is a lI, the writers will scerfice her character just so she can be romanced by a qunari to make the romance people happy and I don't like that. In DAO Morrigan being able to romance a dwarf just didn't fit for me, there was other issues like making a chantry hating blood elf mage fanatic romance Alistair. This stuff hurts the character. In fact I find the non-LI companions better written because stuff like this does not happen to them. 

Do you mean to say that we've seen sooooo much of Cassandra on such a detailed, personal level, that we can say that she would never, ever, ever be able to love Qunari? Not even one who's broken away from the Qun? 

Because, you know, people always find love exactly where they expect it in real life? It never ever happens that people fall for someone whose appearance they would not normally have been attracted to? 

Why would it be so impossible to conceive of that? Why was it so wrong for Morrigan to romance a dwarf? I never saw anything about her that made that unrealistic to me. Just because it didn't fit for you, doesn't mean everybody else agrees. 

Mr.House wrote...
Peopel are not asking for all romances to be against qunari, only one or at least two. More so if Cass is a LI. She should not be into qunari that way. It would be waaaaaaaaay out of character. It be like Leli plomping Sten.

You say "One or two" at least, but unless they plan on making most companions LI's, that would probably remove at least half the options of LI's. 



Also, somebody said something about using race to make good drama for a romance ... that would be good. I think the writers are up to that challenge. They've handled various issues pretty well in earlier games. The romances have mostly been very well-written. I really don't see why they would fail in this, if that's what they wanted to do. 

[vertigomez]

Former_Fiend wrote...

By instituting racial restrictions on romance, Bioware would not be reminding us of the prejudices of Thedas. They would be imposing those prejudices upon our characters.

[GreyLycanTrope]

They'd be imposing prejudices on their characters actually, which they have done before.

[Iakus]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Does the existence of xenophobia and racism prevent any pairings from ever happening?

No.

However, different pairing will face different hurdles based on Thedas society.

Just look at  the most common pairing:  the human/elf. Such a relationship would be scandalous to humans (nobles especially, but even commoners), and likely mean exile for the elf (especially if Dalish) And elves aren't even as feared and hated as teh qunari.  Or as clannish as the dwarves.

So pairings with other races can, heck are possible.  But there are difficulties to overcome which are not trivial and should not be overlooked, if a romance is to be treated as something more than a "digital hookup"