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[Sir DeLoria]

Rawgrim wrote...

I didn`t know it was possible to kill Merill. How is this doable?

Being a full Paragon.

[Sir DeLoria]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

I killed Merill:P

My Hawke. Your Hawke. The Gallows. Tomorrow by dawn.

She will be waiting.

Gladly:D

[LobselVith8]

Eterna5 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Well nevermind then, it makes perfect sense if you're playing a Blood Mage. 

But really, 2 and a half examples of blood Magic working out isn't very convincing, especially since two of those examples are the player character. 

Well, the Joining (a form of blood magic) and the Grey Warden mages who use blood magic against the darkspawn are other factors that demonstrate that blood magic isn't inherently evil.

I'm not saying it is evil, I'm only saying it often leads to ruin regardless of intent. 

Grey Wardens use it to stop darkspawn - to protect the world. Some apostates use it to protect their lives. It's merely a tool, and Merrill uses it proficiently and without abusing it for almost a decade. I don't see any indication that blood magic will ruin Merrill.

[Kidd]

Rawgrim wrote...

I didn`t know it was possible to kill Merill. How is this doable?

From what I understand, the system works like this.

Every character aside from Isabela and Varric automatically side with one side in the mage/templar conflict. If your influence with a character is not 100% rivalry or 100% friendship, they will turn against you. If you have a specific amount of influence, you can still talk them down later when you face them. But if you don't, they will not take Hawke's side and may or may not attack Hawke.

There's a video on youtube that shows most of the dialogue choices for all the characters in high quality. Not every character is shown in both romanced/unromanced situations though (which is sad, cause Eve Myles' voicing of the romanced version is incredible).

[Sir DeLoria]

LobselVith8 wrote...
I don't see any indication that blood magic will ruin Merrill.

True, Merrill is already ruined, blood magic won't do much anymore.

[Clertar]

[LobselVith8]

Necanor wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't see any indication that blood magic will ruin Merrill.

True, Merrill is already ruined, blood magic won't do much anymore. 

Merrill isn't ruined; she simply refused to do nothing while the People suffered all across the continent. Instead of seeking riches in the Deep Roads, she sought to restore technology that may have irrevocably improved the lives of the elves.

[Reaverwind]

Bionuts wrote...

Merril is not naive. She tells Hawke that she knows what she's doing is dangerous (but only on Rivalry path when she goes to your house). She knows that a lot of bad can come of it. She's willing to take the risk on the chance that it might help her people.

 

Thinking a piece of history would mirculously alleviate her people's plight is indeed naive. So maybe she gets it working - so what? What does she expect to find? How will it help her people now? And she knows it's risky, but brings it to a populated area anyway? That's just plain stupid.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 18 septembre 2013 - 11:51 .

[Barrendall]

I enjoyed Merrill and would be fine with a Cameo if it makes sense in the story line. I'm opposed to appearances for appearances sake. To all you haters, I get it. I really disliked Zev in Origins for a long time but gradually I saw how his story enhanced the game, and he became my "Cosmo Kramer" of DAO.

[The Elder King]

Lobsel, Hawke didn't seek riches in the DR because he wanted to be filthy rich (unless that's your intention): he needed riches to gain the power to protect his ass from the templars, or to protect Bethany.
I understand that you get pissed when people slander Merrill, but there's no need to slander Hawke for his reason to to in the DR.

[TheKomandorShepard]

While i like individualists and her "blood magic isn't evil" what is nice attitude especially when most of peoples are "ohoh blood magic evil cus chantry says that" but she is ultimate idiot to such degree she can be seen as joke character so i would be glad if i don't see her again.

[Zkyire]

Xilizhra wrote...
Because I do the same thing. If you actually loved her, why would you go out with her only to emotionally abuse and mentally dominate her?

Oh those highly emotive words.

"Don't use blood magic, it will highly likely backfire and innocent people will die."

"STOP EMOTIONALLY ABUSING ME!"

*blood magic backfires and innocent people die*

Drama aside, I get what you're saying in the sense that if your Hawke loved her for who she was, and wasn't just "Hurr purdy elf", then he/she wouldn't try to change her.

Modifié par Zkyire, 18 septembre 2013 - 12:06 .

[Xilizhra]

Zkyire wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Because I do the same thing. If you actually loved her, why would you go out with her only to emotionally abuse and mentally dominate her?

Oh those highly emotive words.

"Don't use blood magic, it will highly likely backfire and innocent people will die."

"STOP EMOTIONALLY ABUSING ME!"

*blood magic backfires and innocent people die*

Blood magic never backfired in the slightest; that was all on Marethari.

[Zkyire]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't see any indication that blood magic will ruin Merrill.

True, Merrill is already ruined, blood magic won't do much anymore. 

Merrill isn't ruined; she simply refused to do nothing while the People suffered all across the continent. Instead of seeking riches in the Deep Roads, she sought to restore technology that may have irrevocably improved the lives of the elves.

..by cavorting with Demons.

[Xilizhra]

Zkyire wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't see any indication that blood magic will ruin Merrill.

True, Merrill is already ruined, blood magic won't do much anymore. 

Merrill isn't ruined; she simply refused to do nothing while the People suffered all across the continent. Instead of seeking riches in the Deep Roads, she sought to restore technology that may have irrevocably improved the lives of the elves.

..by cavorting with Demons.

Firstly, it was only one demon. Secondly, she only went there to learn blood magic and wasn't going to go back until Act 3 when nothing else seemed to work, and she was quite cautious there.

[Zkyire]

Xilizhra wrote...
Firstly, it was only one demon. Secondly, she only went there to learn blood magic and wasn't going to go back until Act 3 when nothing else seemed to work, and she was quite cautious there.

There is nothing cautious about blood magic.

You're flipping a coin each day to see whether your will is stronger than the Demon's.

[The Elder King]

Blood magic doesn't work that way. You don't risk to get possessed every time you used it. You risk this the moment you deal with a demon.
Otherwise, Tevinter should've been overrun by demon for a long time.

I'm not a fan of blood magic (though I don't think it can't be used for good, even if the magic is stronger if you kill or hurt people), but you don't risk to lose yourself every time you use it.

[Thomas Andresen]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

You know, if you really don't want BioWare to include a certain type of character, saying stuff like "God no! I hated that character!" will only make BioWare want to include more characters like that. They'll be like "Yes! Mission accomplished!" Or like this:
<snipped "excellent" gif for cleanliness' sake>

Hate is far from the worst reaction a writer can imagine. Indifference is. And indifference does not lead to visiting every thread dedicated to a character and declaring your dislike for him/her. A writer doesn't necessarily want you to love every aspect of their writing; that you feel something about it, love it or hate it, that is what writers take as testament to whether they've succeeded.

Wrong.

There are two kinds of hate when it comes to characters: The good kind of hate that goes to a villain or a morally descipable character. And the hate for a character you think is badly written, annoying, and completely causing the wrong type of hate (if they are supposed to be hated at all) and is terrible all around.

Indifference is bad. But only because it leads to a writer not knowing what is wrong with their story and characters causing them to continue writing like that.

Normally, I'd just ignore your post, but for the sake of the rest of the posters. And before you say anything, it is the same thing with Merrill. Basically, people are different.

When you, as a writer, writes a character, you will always end up with some people loving the character, and some people hating the character. But if people are indifferent towards the character, it means you were unable to provoke any kind of response with the character at all, and that is the worst conceivable reaction a writer can imagine.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 18 septembre 2013 - 12:47 .

[LucianaIV]

I honestly enjoyed the character Merril more in DAO then in DA2, but then, what her story leads to in DA2 I strongly dislike as well, especially considering my main is a Dalish Warden.

So no, aside from possibly her meeting the Warden (if Dalish and if he/she has a cameo), I won't be making any leaps of joy if Merril gets a cameo.

Modifié par LucianaIV, 18 septembre 2013 - 01:28 .

[Bionuts]

Reaverwind wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Merril is not naive. She tells Hawke that she knows what she's doing is dangerous (but only on Rivalry path when she goes to your house). She knows that a lot of bad can come of it. She's willing to take the risk on the chance that it might help her people.

 

Thinking a piece of history would mirculously alleviate her people's plight is indeed naive. So maybe she gets it working - so what? What does she expect to find? How will it help her people now? And she knows it's risky, but brings it to a populated area anyway? That's just plain stupid.

Like everyone else, you ignore context.

Merril was raised to be a keeper of Elven lore. She was raised to seek out her people's past. She is compelled to care about such things. Even Marethari is the same. Only difference is that Marethari wasn't willing to take the risk. Instead she was decieved by a demon and possessed.

She doesn't know how much the Eluvian will help, but she believes that it's worth finding out. Nobody said it would miraculously raise the Elves. However, she's willing to find out how much it can help.

Merril represents desperation. Desperation of a people who have lost everything and are starving for their lost history.

It is not to say that Merril handled everything perfectly. However, taking this risk is not unexpected. Many people would do the same for different reasons.

[Wulfram]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Normally, I'd just ignore your post, but for the sake of the rest of the posters. And before you say anything, it is the same thing with Merrill. Basically, people are different.

When you, as a writer, writes a character, you will always end up with some people loving the character, and some people hating the character. But if people are indifferent towards the character, it means you were unable to provoke any kind of response with the character at all, and that is the worst conceivable reaction a writer can imagine.

Best character ever

[Bionuts]

Wulfram wrote...





Best character ever

Get behind me satan!

[Kidd]

Wulfram wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Normally, I'd just ignore your post, but for the sake of the rest of the posters. And before you say anything, it is the same thing with Merrill. Basically, people are different.

When you, as a writer, writes a character, you will always end up with some people loving the character, and some people hating the character. But if people are indifferent towards the character, it means you were unable to provoke any kind of response with the character at all, and that is the worst conceivable reaction a writer can imagine.

Best character ever

Amusingly, he's probably the best written character in the prequel films (certainly the Phantom Menace) even so. He's annoying, yes. He's stupid and silly. But redlettermedia showed pretty effectively how if you are to describe any character in TPM without mentioning any Star Warsy words, going solely by personality and the like, people really can't articulate anything about the characters.

But Jar Jar, oh yes, people can talk about him for hours on end before even mentioning the word "gungan." He's the only one with an actual character.

[Reaverwind]

Bionuts wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Merril is not naive. She tells Hawke that she knows what she's doing is dangerous (but only on Rivalry path when she goes to your house). She knows that a lot of bad can come of it. She's willing to take the risk on the chance that it might help her people.

 

Thinking a piece of history would mirculously alleviate her people's plight is indeed naive. So maybe she gets it working - so what? What does she expect to find? How will it help her people now? And she knows it's risky, but brings it to a populated area anyway? That's just plain stupid.

Merril represents desperation. Desperation of a people who have lost everything and are starving for their lost history.

Merrill represents stagnation. It's one thing to want to learn about your history. It's another entirely to be fixated to the exclusion of all else, rather trying to move your people forward. Seven-plus years she spends on that stupid mirror - seven years that could have been spent more producitvely - and what does she have to show for it? Nothing!

[Xilizhra]

Reaverwind wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Merril is not naive. She tells Hawke that she knows what she's doing is dangerous (but only on Rivalry path when she goes to your house). She knows that a lot of bad can come of it. She's willing to take the risk on the chance that it might help her people.

 

Thinking a piece of history would mirculously alleviate her people's plight is indeed naive. So maybe she gets it working - so what? What does she expect to find? How will it help her people now? And she knows it's risky, but brings it to a populated area anyway? That's just plain stupid.

Merril represents desperation. Desperation of a people who have lost everything and are starving for their lost history.

Merrill represents stagnation. It's one thing to want to learn about your history. It's another entirely to be fixated to the exclusion of all else, rather trying to move your people forward. Seven-plus years she spends on that stupid mirror - seven years that could have been spent more producitvely - and what does she have to show for it? Nothing!

No, the Sabrae represent stagnation. What Merrill is trying is renewal.