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[Nightdragon8]

Myrkale wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

I wonder what those Merril haters would have said if merrils plan worked and created something beneficial for her people

You'd have to drastically rewrite her to not be an idiot first.

Desdpite being  a total social ditz she has accomplished more then the circle has the last thousand years. pretty impressive for an idiot.

Her kind of moronic meddlings with stuff she doesn`t understand is the very reason why there is a circle in the first place.

Change the her to a him to reference Anders and you've pretty much described why the Circles exist.

: Merrill: Are you all right?
Anders: I nearly killed an innocent girl. How could I be all right?
Merrill: I'm sorry.
Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls!

Merrill: Anders... there's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

So much for Merrill not "understanding" demons. It should have been communicated better to the player, but Merrill knows that the Pride demon was manipulating her to possess her, but she was willing to take that risk (and die for it) if it actually helped the Dalish. For her final personal quest she tells Hawke that s/he was asked there in case something "bad" happened which is odd planning since Merrill is totally a bumbling idiot that doesn't know anything about the spirits/demons. 

which makes it all the worse because she knows she was being manipulated into getting possessed. which IMO makes her more stupid than she already was.

[Fieryeel]

I am all for it.

I absolutely love her!

[Lotion Soronarr]

LindsayLohan wrote...
Merril = pedophilia. Prove me wrong.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ya know, I kinda like Merril, but I really wish people would stop defending her with the "everyone else is ignorant of the demons/elvens lore/Elluvian" defense.

[LOLandStuff]

She was quick to betray you in the fade, the others did the same but she's a mage and should've have known better. It also didn't take the demon lots of convincing.

[Chari]

I want DA:O Merril back. Damn retcon and OOCness

[Reaverwind]

LOLandStuff wrote...

She was quick to betray you in the fade, the others did the same but she's a mage and should've have known better. It also didn't take the demon lots of convincing.

Yep - that little incident there convinced me Merrill was an utter fool, and that Audacity was a helluva lot more subtle than anyone gave it credit for. It was no surprise to learn it had played Maretheri, too.

[Chashan]

Chari wrote...

I want DA:O Merril back. Damn retcon and OOCness

At the end of the day, I'd have to agree with that.

Her DA:O-personality_is_drastically different, to a point it would have been more reasonable to go for a different character altogether. Also due to different VA between the two games.

Although then again, as I mentioned the experiences she had in DA2 may lead to her being somewhat closer to her DA:O roots in DA:I.

[Chari]

Chashan wrote...

Chari wrote...

I want DA:O Merril back. Damn retcon and OOCness

At the end of the day, I'd have to agree with that.

Her DA:O-personality_is_drastically different, to a point it would have been more reasonable to go for a different character altogether. Also due to different VA between the two games.

Although then again, as I mentioned the experiences she had in DA2 may lead to her being somewhat closer to her DA:O roots in DA:I.

DA:O and DA2 Sabrae clan and its members are so different from each other, that it would be better if the y simply introduced a new clan
And not the one that already had an established concept and characters

[LOLandStuff]

Since they wanted the mirror plot so badly, they could've introduced a new clan who met with the warden's clan and was warned about what happened, maybe a discussion between keepers. That would've made the apprentice from X clan to go check the mirror. How bad can that mirror be? It didn't affect her clan. Maybe they're just exaggerating etc etc. And here enters a new elf for DA2 and the mirror.

[LobselVith8]

Myrkale wrote...

: Merrill: Are you all right?
Anders: I nearly killed an innocent girl. How could I be all right?
Merrill: I'm sorry.
Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls!

Merrill: Anders... there's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

So much for Merrill not "understanding" demons.

Some people think that because she doesn't have Andrastian religious views, and therefore doesn't see the denizens if the Fade as Spirits and Demons, i.e. the First Children of the Maker; she simply sees them as spirits.

Myrkale wrote...

It should have been communicated better to the player, but Merrill knows that the Pride demon was manipulating her to possess her, but she was willing to take that risk (and die for it) if it actually helped the Dalish.

Audacity is trapped in a totem. She brought Hawke with her in Act III because she thought Audacity somehow escaped it's prison.

Myrkale wrote...

For her final personal quest she tells Hawke that s/he was asked there in case something "bad" happened which is odd planning since Merrill is totally a bumbling idiot that doesn't know anything about the spirits/demons. 

Night Terrors railroads everyone but Anders into betraying Hawke in a matter of seconds. I don't see why anyone would condemn Merrill but give everyone else a pass. It's like when Cullen is blind to apostate Hawke being a mage, or how he brushes off Hawke warning him of Anders' plot against the Chantry.

[LOLandStuff]

Everyone else gets a pass because they've never been in the fade before in a waking state. All they know about it is what they've heard, while Merril knows too well what to expect from it, and she just jumped at the first opportunity because "lol, I have candies".
And the only reason she brought Hawke with her to act III was because she couldn't fix her stupid mirror and needed his/her help, and only when she got there she realized the demon was no longer in its prison.

[Joseph Warrick]

I liked her in DA2.



She'll look different now with the second redesign of the elves.

[Norsky]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Some people think that because she doesn't have Andrastian religious views, and therefore doesn't see the denizens if the Fade as Spirits and Demons, i.e. the First Children of the Maker; she simply sees them as spirits.

I don't think  the distinction between spirits and demons is strictly an Andrastian idea. Marethari uses it more than once.

[LobselVith8]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Everyone else gets a pass because they've never been in the fade before in a waking state. All they know about it is what they've heard, while Merril knows too well what to expect from it, and she just jumped at the first opportunity because "lol, I have candies".

It's plot railroading, which is why everyone but Anders betrays Hawke in seconds; no different than Cullen handwaving Hawke's warning about Anders.

LOLandStuff wrote...

And the only reason she brought Hawke with her to act III was because she couldn't fix her stupid mirror and needed his/her help, and only when she got there she realized the demon was no longer in its prison.

Hawke doesn't know how to fix the Eluvian; Merrill was concerned Audacity had gotten loose from the totem, as she explicitly tells Hawke in her home in the Alienage.

[LobselVith8]

Elisif wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Some people think that because she doesn't have Andrastian religious views, and therefore doesn't see the denizens if the Fade as Spirits and Demons, i.e. the First Children of the Maker; she simply sees them as spirits.

I don't think  the distinction between spirits and demons is strictly an Andrastian idea. Marethari uses it more than once.

Marethari also uses the term the 'Fade' when Dalish call it the Beyond; she's speaking to a human who sees from a different cultural perspective than she does. And it's nature as an Andrastian distinction is brought up in Dragon Age II: 

Anders: Maybe you don't really understand the difference between spirits and demons.

Merrill: Did I ask you?

Anders: Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but He turned his back on them to dote on His mortal creations. The ones who resented this became demons, driven to take everything mortals had and gain back the Maker's favor.

Merrill: Your 'Maker' is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours.

[Norsky]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Elisif wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Some people think that because she doesn't have Andrastian religious views, and therefore doesn't see the denizens if the Fade as Spirits and Demons, i.e. the First Children of the Maker; she simply sees them as spirits.

I don't think  the distinction between spirits and demons is strictly an Andrastian idea. Marethari uses it more than once.

Marethari also uses the term the 'Fade' when Dalish call it the Beyond; she's speaking to a human who sees from a different cultural perspective than she does. And it's nature as an Andrastian distinction is brought up in Dragon Age II: 

She calls Audacity "demon" in the short story that was released when the only other person around was Merrill.

Modifié par Elisif, 19 septembre 2013 - 05:52 .

[LobselVith8]

Elisif wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Marethari also uses the term the 'Fade' when Dalish call it the Beyond; she's speaking to a human who sees from a different cultural perspective than she does. And it's nature as an Andrastian distinction is brought up in Dragon Age II: 

She calls Audacity "demon" in the short story that was released when the only other person around was Merrill.

Anders' short story depicted him as an invincible cannibal. Anders' dialogue in-game states that the distinction is religious, as the dialogue above shows.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 19 septembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Norsky]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Elisif wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Marethari also uses the term the 'Fade' when Dalish call it the Beyond; she's speaking to a human who sees from a different cultural perspective than she does. And it's nature as an Andrastian distinction is brought up in Dragon Age II: 

She calls Audacity "demon" in the short story that was released when the only other person around was Merrill.

Anders' short story depicted him as an invincible cannibal. Anders' dialogue in-game states that the distinction is religious, as the dialogue above shows.

The first time he went into Justice Rage Mode he was, sure.  The fact that Merrill makes no distinction between demons and spirits doesn't mean that no Dalish do, ever. It doesn't mean that no other non-Andrastian society with magical traditions make the distinction either.

[General TSAR]

LindsayLohan wrote...
Merril = pedophilia. Prove me wrong.

Ah, I see I was not the only one creeped out by Merrill's child-like appearance+mannerisms and her romance. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 19 septembre 2013 - 06:26 .

[thats1evildude]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Everyone else gets a pass because they've never been in the fade before in a waking state. All they know about it is what they've heard, while Merril knows too well what to expect from it, and she just jumped at the first opportunity because "lol, I have candies".

Mages are not granted some special exception from mind control. Merrill was as susceptible to the demons' magic as any of your companions.

The Mage Warden had been to the Fade before and fought with demons. That didn't make the Mage Warden magically immune to the Sloth Demon's infuence during the encounter in the Circle Tower.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 19 septembre 2013 - 06:41 .

[SerTabris]

I think that Merrill's obsession is similar to what one might find in some history doctoral students. Sitting in a small low-rent apartment contemplating the same things for years... sounds like a not-too-uncommon graduate school experience to me. So I don't find it that unreasonable.