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[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

Yet that tells me that even she recognizes the possibility she might do something exceedingly stupid once she's actually in the demon's presence/influence. What she plans isn't necessarily what she will do.

You can talk to her about it and she says she doesn't know what will happen, but wants Hawke there incase something does happen.

It doesn't imply that she's going to be the root cause of the something. If people want to take it that way, they can, but Merrill's never once done anything to cause **** to hit the fan.

And again, it's not like Audacity could've forced her to do anything she didn't want to do. He's incapable of doing that so long as he's trapped.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 septembre 2013 - 03:13 .

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...
Audacity can't control her while it's imprisoned and outside the Fade; the two situations aren't comparable.

Audacity did control her. It pushed Marethari to refuse Merril, and secuded Merril into confronting Marethari. It put the two of them into conflicted and then just feasted on the more exploitable one, which happened to (more immediately) be Marethari. But Merrill was played just as much by the demon, because she gave Audacity absolutely everything it ever could have dreamed of: a conflict between two mages it could exploit by playing them against each other.

Merrill lost to Audacity the second she assumed the demon was after her. That was her sin of pride, so to speak. 

[TEWR]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Except unlike Origins we don't see a demon messing with our companions' heads we see them making them an offer and them taking it without a second thought.

So? Who says mind control is the same no matter what? You? Okay...

[a7rivera]

She was my favorite romance so it'd be nice to see her have a cameo and give insight on what my Hawke is up to

[andrew252]

What we need is a citadel style dlc that will include all the companions that are still alive for a mission

[TEWR]

Filament wrote...

In case what happens, which would involve Hawke needing to kill Merrill? I thought the demon was safely trapped in the statue, after all. To me she's recognizing the possibility of her doing the exact same thing she did in Feynriel's dream.

It is trapped. And though she wants Hawke there as insurance, she doesn't say she's going to summon it. She denies that, in fact, as I said.

And again, in Feynriel's dream, she was mind controlled. Which Audacity can't do, because he's trapped and sundered from the Fade much like Justice was (dialogue in-game corroborates this, as does the Merrill short story). So there is no "she might do exactly the same thing" because the situations are entirely different. Plus that dialogue happens regardless of whether she was brought along or not in Act 2

Furthermore, it took powerful magic to free him. No one could just set him loose. We don't even know if Merrill knows the particular spell needed, only that she knew powerful magic was needed.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 septembre 2013 - 03:41 .

[Arthur Cousland]

If she must return, hopefully she's less naïve. Personally, since she already appeared in two games already, I hope that she only returns as a npc, if at all. At some point, it's time to move on.

[dragonflight288]

Filament wrote...

Again, "insurance" against what? Seems to me that it's an acknowledgement that your absolutes are not really so absolute. Audacity "can't" mind control, he's "trapped," she "won't" do the same thing again or summon him if he manages to convince her to do so, mind control or otherwise.

Only a fool doesn't have insurance for known threats. If a mage is going into a situation, and that mage knows a demon is involved, no matter how weak that demon is, then it is a good idea to have backup. It's almost no different from having flood insurance or car insurance for something that may or may not happen....the big difference is that if the worst happens, you will die.

The consequences of Merrill's actions, however, would only have affected her, because she took precautions. Merethari, however, did not, and it was Merethari who ended up possessed, without backup, without insurance.

End result, Abomination-Merethari is now free of the statue, she tries to kill Merrill and Hawke, and when she can't, she tries tricking them into letting down their guard so she can stab Merrill through a sneak attack (if you fall for it.) Merrill most certainly wasn't naive. She prepared for the worst, and hoped for the best.

[zMataxa]

LOL! 18 pages of Merril in 2 days.
Fenris is struggling to make it to 5 pages in 5 days.
Merril was a resounding success - She was loved and hated with a passion.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

zMataxa wrote...

LOL! 18 pages of Merril in 2 days.
Fenris is struggling to make it to 5 pages in 5 days.
Merril was a resounding success - She was loved and hated with a passion.

Uh aren't the male love interests (and Cullen) by far the most succesful threads in the DA 2 Character Subforums?

[Xilizhra]

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Audacity can't control her while it's imprisoned and outside the Fade; the two situations aren't comparable.

Audacity did control her. It pushed Marethari to refuse Merril, and secuded Merril into confronting Marethari. It put the two of them into conflicted and then just feasted on the more exploitable one, which happened to (more immediately) be Marethari. But Merrill was played just as much by the demon, because she gave Audacity absolutely everything it ever could have dreamed of: a conflict between two mages it could exploit by playing them against each other.

Merrill lost to Audacity the second she assumed the demon was after her. That was her sin of pride, so to speak. 

Remember that Audacity had absolutely no involvement in Merrill's life from the point it taught her blood magic to A New Path. Merrill never assumed it was after her in particular at all, she just didn't suspect that it was after Marethari the whole time, or was interested in anything much beyond possible immediate escape.

Of course, I'm just saying the
known threat in this case goes up to and includes "Merrill getting
herself possessed by Audacity." At least she had the sense to bring
Hawke, sure. That shows she's at least not that foolish. But I jumped in
here halfway when the contention was specifically that she wouldn't
free him, with no acknowledgement of the uncertainty that even Merrill
acknowledges. That's silly. I had nothing to comment on Merrill's
foolishness or lack thereof.

It might happen, but only if something truly bizarre goes wrong, and Hawke has a long history of backing Merrill up by this point in any case.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 septembre 2013 - 05:06 .

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...
Remember that Audacity had absolutely no involvement in Merrill's life from the point it taught her blood magic to A New Path. Merrill never assumed it was after her in particular at all, she just didn't suspect that it was after Marethari the whole time, or was interested in anything much beyond possible immediate escape.

And that's why Merrill blinded by pride. She thought she had a demon figured out. Her failing is in being, well, naive about what the demon wanted. She thought it was about straightforward possession and never understood the long game. 

I think it fits with her character very well. Audacity played a social game, and Merrill doesn't understand those. 

[Xilizhra]

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Remember that Audacity had absolutely no involvement in Merrill's life from the point it taught her blood magic to A New Path. Merrill never assumed it was after her in particular at all, she just didn't suspect that it was after Marethari the whole time, or was interested in anything much beyond possible immediate escape.

And that's why Merrill blinded by pride. She thought she had a demon figured out. Her failing is in being, well, naive about what the demon wanted. She thought it was about straightforward possession and never understood the long game. 

I think it fits with her character very well. Audacity played a social game, and Merrill doesn't understand those. 

She had Audacity pretty much down. The one she didn't figure out was Marethari, and how she could possibly be as weak as she wound up being.

[Ulathar]

A mention along with Hawke and what they've been up to if she was romanced would be fine with me. At most, maybe a cameo where she is looking for Hawke, asks the Inquisitor if he knows anything and in return could tell the Inquisitor a thing or two about demons or elves, something like that.

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...
She had Audacity pretty much down. The one she didn't figure out was Marethari, and how she could possibly be as weak as she wound up being.

She didn't have Audacity down at all, given that Audacity's entire game was to play her against Marethari. At every single turn and at every single move, Merrill did nothing but help Audacity posses Marethari.

I like Merrill too, but it's ridiculous to say that she figured out the demon's plot. She was played like a fiddle. Everything she did was based on the simplistic and narrow-minded view that Merrill - as a person - mattered. 

[zMataxa]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

LOL! 18 pages of Merril in 2 days.
Fenris is struggling to make it to 5 pages in 5 days.
Merril was a resounding success - She was loved and hated with a passion.

Uh aren't the male love interests (and Cullen) by far the most succesful threads in the DA 2 Character Subforums?

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I wasn't actually comparing male vs female.
I was actually commenting on Merril as a character specifically being a success.

How many pages is Cullen at now?
This thread that I'm following is 63 pages now re: female LI's.
http://social.biowar.../index/14140424

[Xilizhra]

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
She had Audacity pretty much down. The one she didn't figure out was Marethari, and how she could possibly be as weak as she wound up being.

She didn't have Audacity down at all, given that Audacity's entire game was to play her against Marethari. At every single turn and at every single move, Merrill did nothing but help Audacity posses Marethari.

I like Merrill too, but it's ridiculous to say that she figured out the demon's plot. She was played like a fiddle. Everything she did was based on the simplistic and narrow-minded view that Merrill - as a person - mattered. 

I don't think that you can really blame Merrill for Marethari's shortcomings in that manner.

[Mecha Elf]

Can I use my Qunari Mage magic to kill her if she does return?

[Secretlyapotato]

Mecha Elf wrote...

Can I use my Qunari Mage magic to kill her if she does return?

Meanie!

[Hellion Rex]

I like Merril. That is all.