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[Hellion Rex]

MasterScribe wrote...

Only if she agrees to a fivesome with a male Inquisitor, Cassandra, Morrigan, and Isabela.

My male inquisitor does not swing that way.

[LOLandStuff]

So, everyone else gets the blame but Merrill.
Being tricked by a demon in the fade: Mind Control.
Being manipulated by a demon stuck in a rock: It's a demon. It's ancient history.
Asking you to kill her if she gets possessed: Too late, the Keeper gets first, your argument is invalid.
Merrill can do no wrong.
That's what I'm getting from this little crusade.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 20 septembre 2013 - 07:03 .

[BouncyFrag]

LOLandStuff wrote...

So, everyone else gets the blame but Merrill.
Being tricked by a demon in the fade: Mind Control.
Being manipulated by a demon stuck in a rock: It's a demon. It's ancient history.
Asking you to kill her if she gets possessed: Too late, the Keeper gets first, your argument is invalid.
Merrill can do no wrong.
That's what I'm getting from this little crusade.

Pretty much. Her story-arc writing didn't do her any favors as well. When I first met her I thought the idea of restoring the mirror was great due to my interested being picqued thanks to the Witch Hunt DA:O dlc. I love games that introduce a terrific mystery and actually give you a good payoff later on in the game. What we got in DA2 wasn't anything like that. No great secrets were revealed and all we ended up with was a variable number of dead elves on the side of a mountain.

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 20 septembre 2013 - 09:15 .

[CVigilantia]

LOLandStuff wrote...

So, everyone else gets the blame but Merrill.
Being tricked by a demon in the fade: Mind Control.
Being manipulated by a demon stuck in a rock: It's a demon. It's ancient history.
Asking you to kill her if she gets possessed: Too late, the Keeper gets first, your argument is invalid.
Merrill can do no wrong.
That's what I'm getting from this little crusade.

Well, her story arcs were pretty ****ty in terms of dynamic choices. At least with Fenris you get the option of selling him and/or killing or saving the sister. Personally, the problem with her story is that I don't get told **** and we're railroaded into killing Marethari instead of seeing Merrill's consequences play through (or her rewards if she'd been successful). Luke Skywalker would have been seen as the biggest dolt in Star Wars if he'd taken off his targetting computer and his shot in the Death Star missed, afterall. I wouldn't have minded needing to kill Merrill in Act III if it made sense but we don't get that choice. 

Also, seriously, you're still talking about the fade demon betrayal? Every single companion betrays Hawke there. If I brought Hawke's mom in there, she'd kill Hawke too (probably for some contrived reason like resurrecting her husband). Same with the twins, probably for more contrived reasons like more power and growing out of their sister's shadow.

If Varric got won over then everyone else is doomed to backstab you in that situation.

[LobselVith8]

LOLandStuff wrote...

So, everyone else gets the blame but Merrill.

Yes, when other people do things, some of us blame those specific people, rather than Merrill. I'm surprised people haven't blamed Merrill for the Chantry blowing up or Meredith buying the lyrium idol.

LOLandStuff wrote...

Being tricked by a demon in the fade: Mind Control.

Hawke explicitly says it was mind control to Isabela. And it's an asinine quest.

LOLandStuff wrote...

Being manipulated by a demon stuck in a rock: It's a demon. It's ancient history.
Asking you to kill her if she gets possessed: Too late, the Keeper gets first, your argument is invalid.

Merrill already points out the oddity of Audacity being silent in Act III when her Eluvian remained inert, as though it may no longer be trapped in the totem, and fearing the worst. Merrill prepared. And she never released Audacity in seven years, while Marethari did, who seemed to be it's real target.

LOLandStuff wrote...

Merrill can do no wrong.
That's what I'm getting from this little crusade.

Merrill has flaws and makes mistakes. Some of us simply don't condemn her for the actions of other adults.

[simpatikool]

Little late to the party, but Merrill was my favorite character in DA2. I liked her style, her confusion, and her rebelliousness.

I still like to think at this stage right now that somehow Merrill is involved in the tear in the veil thing they keep talking about in DAI

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...
I don't think that you can really blame Merrill for Marethari's shortcomings in that manner.

I agree. You can only blame Merrill for her own shortcomings: not seeing how Audacity was using her as a wedge to exploit Marethari. Whatever Marethari ended up doing in that situation isn't Merrill's fault. At the same time, it's wrong to say that she didn't fall prety to the demon. 

[Todd23]

I hope that at least those who romanced her will see her in inquisition with their Hawke.

[Face of Evil]

I never had the blinders on with Merrill. I recognize she has flaws; I just don't care about them.

eluvianix wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Only if she agrees to a fivesome with a male Inquisitor, Cassandra, Morrigan, and Isabela.

My male inquisitor does not swing that way.

But there are three other ladies involved!
As the song says, it's not gay if it's a three-way, with a honey in the middle there's some leeway. 

Modifié par Face of Evil, 20 septembre 2013 - 03:20 .

[StElmo]

I love Merrill, Eve Myles' performance is stellar. Shes such an entertaining character, excellent addition to the cast of DA2. Love to see her in DA:I

Modifié par StElmo, 20 septembre 2013 - 03:20 .

[General TSAR]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

No but seriously, this line of speaking is pretty darn offensive.

Deal with it.

[Xilizhra]

I agree. You can only blame Merrill for her own shortcomings: not seeing how Audacity was using her as a wedge to exploit Marethari. Whatever Marethari ended up doing in that situation isn't Merrill's fault. At the same time, it's wrong to say that she didn't fall prety to the demon.

But Merrill didn't fall prey to the demon; she defeated Audacity (with Hawke's backup, but Audacity had Marethari's backup, so it evens out) and lost nothing except opportunity. Audacity wasn't corrupting Marethari for the hell of it; it wanted to use her to get out into the world, and that plan failed.

As the song says, it's not gay if it's a three-way, with a honey in the middle there's some leeway.

I think Eluvian meant that their male Inquisitor was gay.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

I agree. You can only blame Merrill for her own shortcomings: not seeing how Audacity was using her as a wedge to exploit Marethari. Whatever Marethari ended up doing in that situation isn't Merrill's fault. At the same time, it's wrong to say that she didn't fall prety to the demon.

But Merrill didn't fall prey to the demon; she defeated Audacity (with Hawke's backup, but Audacity had Marethari's backup, so it evens out) and lost nothing except opportunity. Audacity wasn't corrupting Marethari for the hell of it; it wanted to use her to get out into the world, and that plan failed.

As the song says, it's not gay if it's a three-way, with a honey in the middle there's some leeway.

I think Eluvian meant that their male Inquisitor was gay.

This 

[Shadow Fox]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Also wrong. She doesn't go there to "barter" with Audacity -- which denotes a "give and take" exchange. She goes there to find out if it knows anything, telling Hawke that she has no intention of freeing him from his prison.

So if he said "I'll only tell you X if you free me", she wouldn't free him. As Audacity is cut off from the Fade, trapped, and substantially weakened, he cannot mind control anyone (but he can engage in subtle manipulation, as he proved with Marethari over the course of 7 years. And it's not something exclusive to Demons).

And if he did tell her, she could just say "Screw you!" and leave him there.

So yeah... no "bartering" was going to take place. But continue to believe that if you want.

Wrong that's why she asked Hawke to go with her to kill her if she got possessed ergo she was going to free him.

You're wrong. Play aggressive Hawke. She specifically says she won't free him. What she asks Hawk to do, and I'm playing this part right now, so it's pretty fresh for me, she's asking Hawke to accompany her, and if the worst happens, to kill her. She isn't bringing him because she intends to barter. She isn't bringing him because she intends to free the demon. She's bringing Hawke as a failsafe.

Ergo, she's being cautious.

So why would Hawke need to kill her if she wasn't at risk for possession hmm?Audacity can only chat while he's in the rock afterall.

[LobselVith8]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

So why would Hawke need to kill her if she wasn't at risk for possession hmm?Audacity can only chat while he's in the rock afterall. 

Merrill mentions that she can't communicate with Audacity in Act III, bringing up the possibility that Audacity may no longer be in the totem.

[Shadow Fox]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

So why would Hawke need to kill her if she wasn't at risk for possession hmm?Audacity can only chat while he's in the rock afterall. 

Merrill mentions that she can't communicate with Audacity in Act III, bringing up the possibility that Audacity may no longer be in the totem.

So she's going to talk to an unsealed demon then?I'm not seeing inteligence there.

[In Exile]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

So why would Hawke need to kill her if she wasn't at risk for possession hmm?Audacity can only chat while he's in the rock afterall. 

Merrill mentions that she can't communicate with Audacity in Act III, bringing up the possibility that Audacity may no longer be in the totem.

So she's going to talk to an unsealed demon then?I'm not seeing inteligence there.

The intelligence is in bringing the killing machine known as Hawle with her. If audacity was free the plan was to kill it. If not, get information from it. 

[Angrywolves]

The DA2 mod with Merrill topless was interestingly .
Found it by sheer luck on youtube.
Didn't know it existed.
shrugs.
If Merrill gave up on the Eluvian it would be ok to see her again.

[Ryzaki]

In Exile wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

So why would Hawke need to kill her if she wasn't at risk for possession hmm?Audacity can only chat while he's in the rock afterall. 

Merrill mentions that she can't communicate with Audacity in Act III, bringing up the possibility that Audacity may no longer be in the totem.

So she's going to talk to an unsealed demon then?I'm not seeing inteligence there.

The intelligence is in bringing the killing machine known as Hawle with her. If audacity was free the plan was to kill it. If not, get information from it. 

She was planning on summoning it. "Your first is going to summon a demon to help her fix her mirror." is what diplo Hawke can say to Marethari. Merrill's reaction is "Did you really have to say it that way?"

[LobselVith8]

Ryzaki wrote...

She was planning on summoning it. "Your first is going to summon a demon to help her fix her mirror." is what diplo Hawke can say to Marethari. Merrill's reaction is "Did you really have to say it that way?" 

Audacity is already in the mortal world of Thedas; it can't be summoned from the Fade. And Merrill communicated with Audacity once before to learn blood magic; even Marethari doesn't say that Merrill would release Audacity, since she thinks it will escape through the restored Eluvian. 

[Well]

No.I couldn't stand the self absorb little twit.She had all the answers.It surprised me how much she irritated me.At the first of the game she seemed alright then she came out a selfish little yutt.Depending how you played it.The cost could be quite high for her actions.

[Ryzaki]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Audacity is already in the mortal world of Thedas; it can't be summoned from the Fade. And Merrill communicated with Audacity once before to learn blood magic; even Marethari doesn't say that Merrill would release Audacity, since she thinks it will escape through the restored Eluvian. 

So it's Justice 2.0 then? 

As for escaping through the Eluvian I doubt it could.

[Secretlyapotato]

Why do people think Merrill is selfish and arrogant? She's stated repeatedly that everything she's done is to help her clan. And she certainly doesn't come off as "I'm better than everyone else, only I can do this blah blah blah". When she banters with Isabela she actually seems to have low self-esteem.

[Xilizhra]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Why do people think Merrill is selfish and arrogant? She's stated repeatedly that everything she's done is to help her clan. And she certainly doesn't come off as "I'm better than everyone else, only I can do this blah blah blah". When she banters with Isabela she actually seems to have low self-esteem.

Indeed. She was just the only one willing to seek out the past.

[Conquerthecity]

Rivaled Merrill is the best Merrill. Only want to see her in Inquisition if her cameo makes sense and I can ****** her off some more.