Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Well, it's not like she could have saved Maharial if he or she had stayed so it was for their 's sake too.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 septembre 2013 - 10:17 .
Plaintiff wrote...
I would agree, but the game takes place over seven years, and she doesn't get any more familiar.
Modifié par Wulfram, 22 septembre 2013 - 10:20 .
Morocco Mole wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Anything else can be explained by cultural unfamiliarity.
Not really.
I haven't finished reading the thread yet but I wanted to throw in my two cents on both of these points.Ryzaki wrote...
Eluvians only work when you have 2 of them. So yeah Merrill was wasting her time. She would've had to locate another Eluvian (not to mention untainted and safe to use the one in the DE origin apparently lead somewhere extremely tainted) to get any usage out of it. Not to mention she can't even move the damn thing so it's stuck in the alienage. Yay?Uh yes. I'm not letting an intelligent darkspawn who kidnapped and murdered Wardens live and spread the blight even more and make darkspawn potentially more intelligent. They're hard enough to deal with stupid. Any alliance with them would be temproary at best. Best nip that problem in the bud.A side-question. Do those who destroy the Eluvian in DA2, choose to kill the Architect in Awakening?
Modifié par legbamel, 23 septembre 2013 - 01:02 .
They may have to come to an agreement of which land belongs to which party. But by all means, if the darkspawn can be given control of their own minds, do they not deserve a shot at life?legbamel wrote...
Second, I always kill the Architect. The end result of his plan is the taint spreading. Darkspawn and non-tainted creatures cannot share space.
LobselVith8 wrote...
The whole point was of her dissonance in an unfamiliar setting was her culture shock as a Dalish elf in a human city. We see how adept Merrill is with magic, her dry humor (that's sometimes taken seriously by people), and her ability to recreate a technological wonder that baffled even the Magisters of the Imperium. The denigration of Merrill by some posters here doesn't match up with the intelligence she displays time and again.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
The whole point was of her dissonance in an unfamiliar setting was her culture shock as a Dalish elf in a human city. We see how adept Merrill is with magic, her dry humor (that's sometimes taken seriously by people), and her ability to recreate a technological wonder that baffled even the Magisters of the Imperium. The denigration of Merrill by some posters here doesn't match up with the intelligence she displays time and again.
It didnt' work IIRC.
It seems in this case, it was having a working rocket whose "on" switch you couldn't seem to find.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Having "power" and being functional are two things.
A broken magical blade has "power". Anything imbued with magic has "power" even if all that magic serves no purpose othen than make it radiate or glow.
You can't call building a rocket a sucess unless it actually flies.
The only concrete proof of Merrils sucess would be to actually see it working.
Modifié par Br3ad, 23 septembre 2013 - 01:12 .
Er, it was entirely her Keeper's doing that she died, and even moreso entirely the fault of her psychotic clan if they die as well. And the Eluvian did function from the only perspective we got.Br3ad wrote...
No, because the rocket didn't work. It had nothing to do with activating it, it simply did not function. Merrill failed to do what she set out to do, and all it lead to was the death of her Keeper and the possible extinction of her entire clan. She flew to high, and crashed deep into the Earth.
It not working is the very definition of not funtioning. From what I've seen, the mirror is a piece of glass in the back of the worst slum in town, with no point except for being used as a reason to drag Hawke around Sundermount. Also, the Keeper was stupid granted, however, she did this more because she saw of Merril's stupidity than anyone else's. Merrill was on a fast track to being yet another case of why blood magic doesn't work. And the clan has every right to attack Merrill for causing the chain of events that lead to their Keeper's death. If anything, Merrill is the pyschotic one for thinking that continuously going to a demon for help, knowing full well that it would try to posses her, to fix a dirty piece of glass. A piece of glass that no one in her clan wants or needs. Merrill isn't doing this for her poeple, she's just doing it for her own selfish reasons. Fitting that a pride demon is manipulating her into doing it all.Xilizhra wrote...
Er, it was entirely her Keeper's doing that she died, and even moreso entirely the fault of her psychotic clan if they die as well. And the Eluvian did function from the only perspective we got.Br3ad wrote...
No, because the rocket didn't work. It had nothing to do with activating it, it simply did not function. Merrill failed to do what she set out to do, and all it lead to was the death of her Keeper and the possible extinction of her entire clan. She flew to high, and crashed deep into the Earth.
Firstly, the Alienage isn't the worst slum in town, Darktown is worse. Second, there's never been any indication that the Eluvian could even link to the Fade, except when stated by Marethari, who's an abomination. Audacity stopped caring about Merrill long ago and started working on Marethari, and its only interest in Merrill was killing her as a loose end. Merrill did not "continuously" go to a demon for help; she learned blood magic, once, and then went back to ask another question about the Eluvian almost a decade later (and the blood magic actually worked perfectly, cleansing the Eluvian). As for the clan's desires... well, that's worthy of its own thread.Br3ad wrote...
It not working is the very definition of not funtioning. From what I've seen, the mirror is a piece of glass in the back of the worst slum in town, with no point except for being used as a reason to drag Hawke around Sundermount. Also, the Keeper was stupid granted, however, she did this more because she saw of Merril's stupidity than anyone else's. Merrill was on a fast track to being yet another case of why blood magic doesn't work. And the clan has every right to attack Merrill for causing the chain of events that lead to their Keeper's death. If anything, Merrill is the pyschotic one for thinking that continuously going to a demon for help, knowing full well that it would try to posses her, to fix a dirty piece of glass. A piece of glass that no one in her clan wants or needs. Merrill isn't doing this for her poeple, she's just doing it for her own selfish reasons. Fitting that a pride demon is manipulating her into doing it all.Xilizhra wrote...
Er, it was entirely her Keeper's doing that she died, and even moreso entirely the fault of her psychotic clan if they die as well. And the Eluvian did function from the only perspective we got.Br3ad wrote...
No, because the rocket didn't work. It had nothing to do with activating it, it simply did not function. Merrill failed to do what she set out to do, and all it lead to was the death of her Keeper and the possible extinction of her entire clan. She flew to high, and crashed deep into the Earth.
she learned blood magic, once, and then went back to ask another question about the Eluvian almost a decade later (and the blood magic actually worked perfectly, cleansing the Eluvian)
I think it involves sending a bunch of magical power into the shard to expel any darkspawn taint. As for how we know it's cleansed... well, it didn't kill her for seven years, which is pretty strong evidence itself, but Anders would have immediately brought it up had he sensed any taint.Fast Jimmy wrote...
she learned blood magic, once, and then went back to ask another question about the Eluvian almost a decade later (and the blood magic actually worked perfectly, cleansing the Eluvian)
I'm a little fuzzy on my memory... did Merril successfully cleanse the mirror? What does the entail, exactly? How is she able to verify that? Does she just come out and say "yes, the mirror is cleansed now?"
It's not an inherent property of Eluvians, as Morrigan's was fine. If the destination corrupted it... well, that's actually a very interesting discovery itself, knowing that an elven artifact is inherently linked to what seems to be the Black City and wasn't just altered later. Definitely something to add to history, and to follow up on if possible.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Understood.
I was always of the mind that it was more the destination on the other end of the mirror that was the corrupting influence. Even if she did cleanse it, the moment she flips it back on may very well re-corrupt it again. Which means the last decade of work may have been for naught.
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not an inherent property of Eluvians, as Morrigan's was fine. If the destination corrupted it... well, that's actually a very interesting discovery itself, knowing that an elven artifact is inherently linked to what seems to be the Black City and wasn't just altered later. Definitely something to add to history, and to follow up on if possible.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Understood.
I was always of the mind that it was more the destination on the other end of the mirror that was the corrupting influence. Even if she did cleanse it, the moment she flips it back on may very well re-corrupt it again. Which means the last decade of work may have been for naught.
I've always thought that it might be linked with Arlathan. Which would be fascinating to explore.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not an inherent property of Eluvians, as Morrigan's was fine. If the destination corrupted it... well, that's actually a very interesting discovery itself, knowing that an elven artifact is inherently linked to what seems to be the Black City and wasn't just altered later. Definitely something to add to history, and to follow up on if possible.Fast Jimmy wrote...
Understood.
I was always of the mind that it was more the destination on the other end of the mirror that was the corrupting influence. Even if she did cleanse it, the moment she flips it back on may very well re-corrupt it again. Which means the last decade of work may have been for naught.
Well, didn't Tamlen say that he landed in a city that looked to be underground and filled with the taint? That could be the Black Coty, either in terms of the actual Chantry version or a physical city in the real world (I think Tamlen said it was underground in appearance) that was still the birthplace of the Taint... who knows?
Fast Jimmy wrote...
Well, didn't Tamlen say that he landed in a city that looked to be underground and filled with the taint? That could be the Black Coty, either in terms of the actual Chantry version or a physical city in the real world (I think Tamlen said it was underground in appearance) that was still the birthplace of the Taint... who knows?
Fast Jimmy wrote...
That would be plausible. Although if Arlathan is overrun with the taint, there is the possible implication that this is where the taint originated from, which caused the city to sink into the ground. Which means that it was elves, not man, that is to blame for the Darkspawn and Blights. The implications of which are... unpleasant, shall we say... for the treatment of the elves to improve in modern day Thedas (not like they are that great to begin with).
I think it's a matter of recorded history that Tevinter sank Arlathan... if the taint originated there, it'd be after that happened. It's possible that, somehow, the darkspawn were revenge upon the Old Gods if any life remained in Arlathan.Fast Jimmy wrote...
That would be plausible. Although if Arlathan is overrun with the taint, there is the possible implication that this is where the taint originated from, which caused the city to sink into the ground. Which means that it was elves, not man, that is to blame for the Darkspawn and Blights. The implications of which are... unpleasant, shall we say... for the treatment of the elves to improve in modern day Thedas (not like they are that great to begin with).
Xilizhra wrote...
I think it's a matter of recorded history that Tevinter sank Arlathan... if the taint originated there, it'd be after that happened. It's possible that, somehow, the darkspawn were revenge upon the Old Gods if any life remained in Arlathan.
I don't know, it badly weakened the Tevinter Imperium.Gwydden wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I think it's a matter of recorded history that Tevinter sank Arlathan... if the taint originated there, it'd be after that happened. It's possible that, somehow, the darkspawn were revenge upon the Old Gods if any life remained in Arlathan.
If so, their revenge backfired. One would think that ancient god like creatures would be smarter.
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