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[myahele]

If she is still naive after all these years and after massacring her entier clan then I'd be disappointed

[Angrywolves]

Of course hawke can prevent the massacre.
One of the few things hawke can do in DA2 that yields positive results.
I would say no. If you romance merrill she is a good kisser but that's about it.
DA2s romances were insipid.
So bye Merrill.

[mupp3tz]

Angrywolves wrote...

Of course hawke can prevent the massacre.
One of the few things hawke can do in DA2 that yields positive results.
I would say no. If you romance merrill she is a good kisser but that's about it.
DA2s romances were insipid.
So bye Merrill.

Wat.

[PinkDiamondstl]

 I'll just throw this in for the hell of it.
https://i.chzbgr.com...7152/h324E4DE9/

[Reaverwind]

Morocco Mole wrote...

what bad writing? if you hate a char it is acutally good writing because you cared for that person. albeir in a negative way. bad writing makes you not care about a char.

I hate Merril for what I perceive as very bad writing and really do not care about her story at all.

A seven+ year obsession with a mirror makes for one hell of a story.....not really. I really hate the direction they took with her. She's nowhere as idiotic or childish in the Dalish origin.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

No thanks. She and Fenris bored the hell out of me.

[Angrywolves]

Always liked Winona.
She'd make a good Merrill .
Merrill was changed by Bioware like Anders was to shoe horn them into the plot and it just didn't work well.

[Xilizhra]

I'd love to see Merrill again, but not separated from Hawke.

[myahele]

I can understand the change in personality of anders. But Merrill makes no sense. Did speaking with a demon make her lose her maturity

[Xilizhra]

myahele wrote...

I can understand the change in personality of anders. But Merrill makes no sense. Did speaking with a demon make her lose her maturity

No, it was culture shock. She's far more confident and knowledgeable when speaking with other Dalish.

[Boiny Bunny]

Only if I can behead her, along with Fenris. While I'm on the topic of killing DA2 companions, I'd love to kill Anders again too, if for some reason Bioware choose to canonize him somehow surviving my murder knife.

[LobselVith8]

the prime enchanter wrote...

ok... don't get me wrong. merill wasn't the best of characters or the most appealing for most of you guys in DA 2 but and sure enough she was incredibly funny and stupid and annoying in different times throughout the game.

I liked Merrill, I thought she was a great character, and my apostate Hawke romanced her. I enjoyed having a pro-active character who was actively trying to help her people by reconstructing advanced, revolutionary technology that might have been able to irrevocably improve the lives of the People if properly implemented. She also had her dry humor.

I know that some people think Merrill was stupid because she studied the Eluvian, despite Marethari warning her otherwise - even though Merrill studied the lore and extrapolated information from the Eluvian shard, while Marethari openly admits she hasn't bothered to research the Eluvian and jumps from one baseless assumption to the other - as well as thinking that Merrill not sharing Anders' Andrastian religious views on the Fade (about spirits and demons), but I thought she showed intellect numerous times:

Anders: Maybe you don't really understand the difference between spirits and demons.

Merrill: Did I ask you?

Anders: Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but He turned his back on them to dote on His mortal creations. The ones who resented this became demons, driven to take everything mortals had and gain back the Maker's favor.

Merrill: Your 'Maker' is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours.

There's also Merrill chastising Anders over his decision to trust a denizen of the Fade:

Merrill: Are you all right?

Anders: I nearly killed an innocent girl. How could I be all right?

Merrill: I'm sorry.

Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls!

Merrill: Anders... there's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

I thought Merrill was a great character.

the prime enchanter wrote...

I loved the sarcastic, innocent and naive dialogues she had with the rest of the party members. and she really does seem to have her own experience with blood magic. wouldn't it make sense if she made an appearance? (and no not as a compagnion, we need people who know how to go home on their own without a ball of twine )

I don't see culture shock as being naive. I also think Merrill confuse her dry humor with her being serious, as we see with an exchange between Merrill and Anders:

Anders: Do the Dalish ever have fancy parties? I always imagined they celebrated most big occasions by eating mushrooms and acorns. And maybe dancing naked around a campfire.

Merrill: You know, I was wondering when the naked dancing was going to start. And the human sacrifice. I mean, you just can't throw a decent party without kidnapping a human child and offering her entrails to the sky gods.

Anders: Really?

Merrill: No.

I think Sten would be proud.

the prime enchanter wrote...
best case scenerio : we find her alone in the wild with a bunch of bandits she thinks are her tour guides<_<

Ideally, I think Merrill could be involved with a Dalish plot in Inquisition in some capacity, although I'd like to see Varric's narrative of Merrill staying at the side of the Champion of Kirkwall who romanced her to be respected (although I have no interest in seeing the Hero of Ferelden or Hawke as NPCs). It would be nice to see her as a character, instead of a caricature or a punchline.

Also, I'd certainly like it if my Dalish protagonist could acknowledge a prominent Dalish figure who took on the templars at the seat of their power (over eastern Thedas) and showed the People that their ancient enemy could be defied.

[Xilizhra]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Only if I can behead her, along with Fenris. While I'm on the topic of killing DA2 companions, I'd love to kill Anders again too, if for some reason Bioware choose to canonize him somehow surviving my murder knife.

It's an interesting truism that the most murderous Hawkes seem to have the worst taste.

[Boiny Bunny]

Xilizhra wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Only if I can behead her, along with Fenris. While I'm on the topic of killing DA2 companions, I'd love to kill Anders again too, if for some reason Bioware choose to canonize him somehow surviving my murder knife.

It's an interesting truism that the most murderous Hawkes seem to have the worst taste.

Is the phrase 'worst taste' not an oxymoron? 

Truth be told, it's hard to tell whether it was Merrill that frustrated me, or DA2's lack of a way to steer her away from her idiocy sooner.  As soon as we got Marethari (and potentially her entire clan) killed, I really wanted the option to push Merill off the side of the mountain - or make her tranquil.  Unfortunately, no such options were given.  Likewise with Anders, the game gave you no chances to pull him off his path - which I found frustrating.  Whilst I'm grateful that Bioware gave the option to kill him after what he did, I would have liked an option to make him tranquil as well - as the 'ultimate' punishment.

I don't have as much to say about Fenris - he just irritated me immensely, to the point of wanting to avoid the 'talk to Fenris' sidequests on my very first playthrough.

I guess I just found Aveline, Varric, and (surprisingly) Isabella to be the more nuanced companions.  The other 3 were very 1 dimensional in my eyes - like the writer thought of a single personality trait, and built the entire character around that, rather than letting the character evolve organically from a collection of ideas about their background.

But as I implied above, taste is entirely subjective.  To each their own!

[Xilizhra]

Truth be told, it's hard to tell whether it was Merrill that frustrated me, or DA2's lack of a way to steer her away from her idiocy sooner. As soon as we got Marethari (and potentially her entire clan) killed, I really wanted the option to push Merill off the side of the mountain - or make her tranquil. Unfortunately, no such options were given. Likewise with Anders, the game gave you no chances to pull him off his path - which I found frustrating. Whilst I'm grateful that Bioware gave the option to kill him after what he did, I would have liked an option to make him tranquil as well - as the 'ultimate' punishment.

What a pity. It seems our desires will probably be incompatible come DAI, and what I'll want will almost certainly not be what you do.

[Aaleel]

Please no. The whole naive, ditsy thing got very old after a while.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd love to see Merrill again, but not separated from Hawke.

It could be temporary, like the Champion and Merrill splitting up for a short while, especially if Merrill is involved in an elven storyline. I think that the story of Merrill opposing the templars (alongside the Champion who protected the mages) would have reached the ears of the People in the same way that the mages of the Circles of Magi hear about Hawke protecting mages from the templars. I'd like to see Dalish with a positive opinion of Merrill; I'm sure that a Dalish mage taking on the templars (including the Knight-Commander who ruled Kirkwall for years) isn't going to go unnoticed among the clans.

[Xilizhra]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd love to see Merrill again, but not separated from Hawke.

It could be temporary, like the Champion and Merrill splitting up for a short while, especially if Merrill is involved in an elven storyline. I think that the story of Merrill opposing the templars (alongside the Champion who protected the mages) would have reached the ears of the People in the same way that the mages of the Circles of Magi hear about Hawke protecting mages from the templars. I'd like to see Dalish with a positive opinion of Merrill; I'm sure that a Dalish mage taking on the templars (including the Knight-Commander who ruled Kirkwall for years) isn't going to go unnoticed among the clans.

Assuming Hawke hasn't been eaten by the plot demon, this'd be workable... although Merrill isn't as templar-centric as Anders and may have other things to worry about with the Fade tear. But getting into some sort of conflict with the templars would always be nice.

[Br3admax]

Aaleel wrote...

Please no. The whole naive, ditsy thing got very old after a while.

I knew DA:O Merill for exactly 30 minutes, and I have a higher opinion of her than the one you described. I feel the same. 

[duckley]

I know Merrill has a lot of fans, but I really found her very annoying and so I would prefer not to see her.

[Reaverwind]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Only if I can behead her, along with Fenris. While I'm on the topic of killing DA2 companions, I'd love to kill Anders again too, if for some reason Bioware choose to canonize him somehow surviving my murder knife.

I think about the only ones I don't want to kill are Isabella and Varric. Murder-knifing the rest of the gang sounds like fun.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

It could be temporary, like the Champion and Merrill splitting up for a short while, especially if Merrill is involved in an elven storyline. I think that the story of Merrill opposing the templars (alongside the Champion who protected the mages) would have reached the ears of the People in the same way that the mages of the Circles of Magi hear about Hawke protecting mages from the templars. I'd like to see Dalish with a positive opinion of Merrill; I'm sure that a Dalish mage taking on the templars (including the Knight-Commander who ruled Kirkwall for years) isn't going to go unnoticed among the clans.

Assuming Hawke hasn't been eaten by the plot demon, this'd be workable... although Merrill isn't as templar-centric as Anders and may have other things to worry about with the Fade tear. But getting into some sort of conflict with the templars would always be nice. 

It isn't about being 'templar-centric' as much as it's about a Dalish elf taking on a group that has hunted the Dalish for centuries. The two groups are enemies, and have been since the war that lead to Orlesian occupation over the second nation of the elves. Elven lore says the war with Orlais and the Andrastian Chantry started with templars invading the elven kingdom as a response to the elves of the Dales refusing to convert. I think that could have ramifications, especially if any of the People (or the elves living in the occupied kingdom of the Dales) are considering rebelling against Orlesian rule.