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[Oasis_JS]

Zu Long wrote...

I was a big fan of Merrill, and would love to see her again.

likewise =D,  A fun little cameo and I'll be fine after that =D

[wolfhowwl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Merrill Rivalry is far better than friendship. You actually make her see how dumb she was being.

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

Calm down, its not like he killed Merrill when he annulled the Circle.

I did find the final confrontation with her in the Gallows to be rather touching.

"I must admit, I hoping it would be the Knight-Commander who killed me. Not you."

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:28 .

[Eterna]

Xilizhra wrote...

Merrill Rivalry is far better than friendship. You actually make her see how dumb she was being.

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

What? Merrill rivalry romance is superb. It comes off as Hawke doing everything to protect Merrill from herself only for Merrill to realize that Hawke was right, so much so that she destroys the mirror. 

You should look up the romance on You tube, I find it far superior to the friendhsip one. 

[Xilizhra]

Eterna5 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Merrill Rivalry is far better than friendship. You actually make her see how dumb she was being.

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

What? Merrill rivalry romance is superb. It comes off as Hawke doing everything to protect Merrill from herself only for Merrill to realize that Hawke was right, so much so that she destroys the mirror. 

You should look up the romance on You tube, I find it far superior to the friendhsip one. 

I did. It gave me cancer.

[Roninbarista]

Merill is a good example of why the Circle of Magi was formed/needed. She dabbles in forces she didn't fully understand, and she outright refused to listen to the Keeper when she was warned. After her experience, I don't think she can go back to being so simplistic. She's a sweet, if not silly girl. However someone close to her died because she wouldn't listen. 

[Eterna]

Xilizhra wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Merrill Rivalry is far better than friendship. You actually make her see how dumb she was being.

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

What? Merrill rivalry romance is superb. It comes off as Hawke doing everything to protect Merrill from herself only for Merrill to realize that Hawke was right, so much so that she destroys the mirror. 

You should look up the romance on You tube, I find it far superior to the friendhsip one. 

I did. It gave me cancer.

If you actually loved her then why would you support her decision to use blood magic and work with demons?

Modifié par Eterna5, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[Xilizhra]

Roninbarista wrote...

Merill is a good example of why the Circle of Magi was formed/needed. She dabbles in forces she didn't fully understand, and she outright refused to listen to the Keeper when she was warned. After her experience, I don't think she can go back to being so simplistic. She's a sweet, if not silly girl. However someone close to her died because she wouldn't listen. 

If by "she" you mean "the person close to her," yes. Marethari was the prideful idiot who fell for the demon's blandishments, not Merrill.

If you actually lovedher then why would you support her decision to use blood magic and work with demons?

Because I do the same thing. If you actually loved her, why would you go out with her only to emotionally abuse and mentally dominate her?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:31 .

[wolfhowwl]

Eterna5 wrote...
If you actually loved her then why would you support her decision to use blood magic and work with demons?

It's not love they feel for Merrill it is lust. Xil would do anything for that sweet elven pooontang.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:31 .

[Vit246]

Merrill understood enough not to voluntarily free a demon out of a perfectly functional prison, unlike Marethari. And the Keeper never tried to fully explain how she came to the conclusion that Merrill should stop trying to restore the Eluvian. Afterall, it was purified of the Taint. 

Modifié par Vit246, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Xilizhra]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
If you actually loved her then why would you support her decision to use blood magic and work with demons?

It's not love they feel for Merrill it is lust. Xil would do anything for that sweet elven ****.

If I only wanted that, there's the Blooming Rose.

[LobselVith8]

Eterna5 wrote...

What? Merrill rivalry romance is superb. It comes off as Hawke doing everything to protect Merrill from herself only for Merrill to realize that Hawke was right, so much so that she destroys the mirror. 

You should look up the romance on You tube, I find it far superior to the friendhsip one. 

Hawke bullying Merrill from a place of ignorance doesn't make him right. Merrill studied the lore on the Eluvian; she extrapolated information from the shard. Hawke, in contrast, knows nothing about the Eluvian, or even elven culture. Merrill is trying to stop the plight of the People; Hawke has no right to condemn Merrill about issues he knows nothing about.

[Eterna]

Xilizhra wrote...

Because I do the same thing. If you actually loved her, why would you go out with her only to emotionally abuse and mentally dominate her?

Is forcing a drug addict you love to go rehab and then making them see why said drug is  bad considered emotional abuse? 

Or should you just let them continue down that dangerous path becuse you don't wish to upset them? 

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Merrill Rivalry is far better than friendship. You actually make her see how dumb she was being.

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

What? Merrill rivalry romance is superb. It comes off as Hawke doing everything to protect Merrill from herself only for Merrill to realize that Hawke was right, so much so that she destroys the mirror. 

You should look up the romance on You tube, I find it far superior to the friendhsip one. 

I did. It gave me cancer.

Did Xil just make a joke?

[Xilizhra]

Eterna5 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Because I do the same thing. If you actually loved her, why would you go out with her only to emotionally abuse and mentally dominate her?

Is forcing a drug addict you love to go rehab and then making them see why said drug is  bad considered emotional abuse? 

Or should you just let them continue down that dangerous path becuse you don't wish to upset them? 

If blood magic was a drug or inherently bad, your analogy might have some merit. Alas, neither is true.

[LobselVith8]

Roninbarista wrote...

Merill is a good example of why the Circle of Magi was formed/needed. She dabbles in forces she didn't fully understand, and she outright refused to listen to the Keeper when she was warned. After her experience, I don't think she can go back to being so simplistic. She's a sweet, if not silly girl. However someone close to her died because she wouldn't listen. 

Merrill studied the Eluvian; Marethari argued about assumptions she made. The Keeper couldn't even remain consistent in her arguments against the Eluvian, and ended up falling prey to Audacity as a consequence. Marethari died because she became an abomination and tried to kill Merrill.

[Roninbarista]

Xilizhra wrote...

If by "she" you mean "the person close to her," yes. Marethari was the prideful idiot who fell for the demon's blandishments, not Merrill.

The Keeper wanted to spare Merill, and knew it would end in tragedy. All of this is still laid at Meril'l's feet. She would not listen. She put herself over the needs of her clan. The Keeper paid the price for Merill's ambition/ignorance, and the clan will kill Merill if she goes to the camp again.  

[Xilizhra]

Roninbarista wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If by "she" you mean "the person close to her," yes. Marethari was the prideful idiot who fell for the demon's blandishments, not Merrill.

The Keeper wanted to spare Merill, and knew it would end in tragedy. All of this is still laid at Meril'l's feet. She would not listen. She put herself over the needs of her clan. The Keeper paid the price for Merill's ambition/ignorance, and the clan will kill Merill if she goes to the camp again.  

Bull****. Marethari had no justification other than paranoia and pride in thinking that the Eluvian would be inherently dangerous, and she turned the rest of the clan against Merrill for the same reason.

[Roninbarista]

Xilizhra wrote...

Roninbarista wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If by "she" you mean "the person close to her," yes. Marethari was the prideful idiot who fell for the demon's blandishments, not Merrill.

The Keeper wanted to spare Merill, and knew it would end in tragedy. All of this is still laid at Meril'l's feet. She would not listen. She put herself over the needs of her clan. The Keeper paid the price for Merill's ambition/ignorance, and the clan will kill Merill if she goes to the camp again.  

Bull****. Marethari had no justification other than paranoia and pride in thinking that the Eluvian would be inherently dangerous, and she turned the rest of the clan against Merrill for the same reason.

Merill consorted with a demon that had the ultimate goal of taking over her body.  Merill was to stubborn to see that, and as it was pointed out to Merill, "she wasn't listening." 

[Xilizhra]

Merill consorted with a demon that had the ultimate goal of taking over her body. Merill was to stubborn to see that, and as it was pointed out to Merill, "she wasn't listening."

Taking over Marethari's body. Merrill didn't go back to see that demon for years, whereas Marethari was camped on top of it for the whole time. And there's no way that Marethari wasn't already possessed when you go see her in Act 3, given that teleportation spells don't exist in DA.

[LobselVith8]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If you actually loved her then why would you support her decision to use blood magic and work with demons? 

It's not love they feel for Merrill it is lust. Xil would do anything for that sweet elven pooontang. 

Blood magic isn't evil; even Grey Wardens are known to use it. Some apostates use it to protect themselves against templars, who can nullify ordinary magic.

Being a blood mage doesn't make Merrill evil. Merrill lacked the lyrium necessary to cleanse the shard with ordinary magic, so she needed blood magic to remove the taint.

As for demons, I assume you mean Audacity. There's the simple fact that Audacity was sundered from the Fade centuries ago and trapped in a totem, cut off from the power of the Fade. Merrill simply conversed with Audacity; she never acted as reckless as Marethari did in letting Audacity loose.

Lust? No. It's simply an issue of us using our brains to analyze the situation.

[Razored1313]

Xilizhra wrote...

Roninbarista wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If by "she" you mean "the person close to her," yes. Marethari was the prideful idiot who fell for the demon's blandishments, not Merrill.

The Keeper wanted to spare Merill, and knew it would end in tragedy. All of this is still laid at Meril'l's feet. She would not listen. She put herself over the needs of her clan. The Keeper paid the price for Merill's ambition/ignorance, and the clan will kill Merill if she goes to the camp again.  

Bull****. Marethari had no justification other than paranoia and pride in thinking that the Eluvian would be inherently dangerous, and she turned the rest of the clan against Merrill for the same reason.

......you mean besides the LAST one killing tamlen and potentially the dalish warden when not chosen?

[Xilizhra]

......you mean besides the LAST one killing tamlen and potentially the dalish warden when not chosen?

Indeed, given that Merrill got rid of the darkspawn taint, which Anders can confirm. Not to mention that she's been handling it for years and not sickened and died...

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 septembre 2013 - 03:56 .

[LobselVith8]

Roninbarista wrote...

The Keeper wanted to spare Merill, and knew it would end in tragedy. All of this is still laid at Meril'l's feet. She would not listen. She put herself over the needs of her clan. The Keeper paid the price for Merill's ambition/ignorance, and the clan will kill Merill if she goes to the camp again.  

Well, considering Marethari let Audacity loose and tried to kill Merrill as an abomination, and then her former First has to deal with a clan of people who had been poisoned against her by Marethari for years, it's not surprising that the Keeper knew it would end in tragedy; it's a tragedy of Marethari's making.

[Roninbarista]

Xilizhra wrote...

Merill consorted with a demon that had the ultimate goal of taking over her body. Merill was to stubborn to see that, and as it was pointed out to Merill, "she wasn't listening."

Taking over Marethari's body. Merrill didn't go back to see that demon for years, whereas Marethari was camped on top of it for the whole time. And there's no way that Marethari wasn't already possessed when you go see her in Act 3, given that teleportation spells don't exist in DA.

I don't know about that.  This *is* Merill's fault. No escaping that. 

Let me add that I like Merill. I, however see where she made a mess, and can't return to being the sweet, innocent blood mage anymore.

Modifié par Roninbarista, 18 septembre 2013 - 04:02 .

[LobselVith8]

froogle345 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bull****. Marethari had no justification other than paranoia and pride in thinking that the Eluvian would be inherently dangerous, and she turned the rest of the clan against Merrill for the same reason.

......you mean besides the LAST one killing tamlen and potentially the dalish warden when not chosen? 

The elves who came into contact with the shards in Witch Hunt were ghouls; Merrill is perfectly healthy. There's also the fact that Marethari makes it clear she poisoned the clan against her in an attempt to coerce her to return to the Sabrae clan, which we learn about after Pol's death.