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[Bionuts]

Real reason Merril wants to restore the mirror is because she thinks it might have to do with her people's past. That's all.

Merril knows about demons, spirits, etc. If you've played the game you would hear her say that all spirits are dangerous.

[Bionuts]

Merril is not naive. She tells Hawke that she knows what she's doing is dangerous (but only on Rivalry path when she goes to your house). She knows that a lot of bad can come of it. She's willing to take the risk on the chance that it might help her people.

I think gamers are taking the elves plight way too lightly.

[Star fury]

Sylvianus wrote...

Nefla wrote...

I would enjoy a cameo from Merril, as long as I could stab her in the face and gigglesquee!!!1! While she died.

I find your idea gigglesquee !

Gigglesquee while you gigglesquee!

[Morroian]

I would love to see Merrill back.

[DKJaigen]

Roninbarista wrote...

Merill is a good example of why the Circle of Magi was formed/needed. She dabbles in forces she didn't fully understand, and she outright refused to listen to the Keeper when she was warned. After her experience, I don't think she can go back to being so simplistic. She's a sweet, if not silly girl. However someone close to her died because she wouldn't listen. 

That makes no sense. the circle of mages has no knowledge of the eluvian as wel. The keeper didnt understand it as well. the best place to look is the tevinter imperium.  You cannot blame merril for the stupidity of others.

[Orian Tabris]

Look at my signature and ask yourself whether I want her back.

(Cameo, thank you very much)

[Shadow Fox]

Bionuts wrote...

Merril is not naive. She tells Hawke that she knows what she's doing is dangerous (but only on Rivalry path when she goes to your house). She knows that a lot of bad can come of it. She's willing to take the risk on the chance that it might help her people.

I think gamers are taking the elves plight way too lightly.

Except they knew it wasn't worth the risk.

Merril was arrogant and selfish.

[Eterna]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Well nevermind then, it makes perfect sense if you're playing a Blood Mage. 

But really, 2 and a half examples of blood Magic working out isn't very convincing, especially since two of those examples are the player character. 

Well, the Joining (a form of blood magic) and the Grey Warden mages who use blood magic against the darkspawn are other factors that demonstrate that blood magic isn't inherently evil.

I'm not saying it is evil, I'm only saying it often leads to ruin regardless of intent. 

[Kidd]

I feel so left out in this conversation. I rivalmanced Merrill, yet I also think she is innocent of Marethati's actions. I protected her from herself, yet wasn't a douche about it.

Who do I argue with in this thread of black and white? =O

[Eterna]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I feel so left out in this conversation. I rivalmanced Merrill, yet I also think she is innocent of Marethati's actions. I protected her from herself, yet wasn't a douche about it.

Who do I argue with in this thread of black and white? =O

You're like me. Argue with Xil. 

[Shadow Fox]

Oh the Keeper was just as selfish as Merrill imo as she endangered her clan by not moving off Sundermount in the hope Merrill would come back.

[Flurdt Vash]

animedreamer wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

 I'll just throw this in for the hell of it.
https://i.chzbgr.com...7152/h324E4DE9/

Sounds about right, looks about right, both seem to be oblivious to the law for the most part.

MAKERS BREATH !!! I didnt know Merrill was a Thief, I thought she was a Mage

Bad Joke, I know. Couldnt help myself

[Firky]

This thread makes me want to play DA2 again.

(I loved Merrill.)

[CVigilantia]

I wouldn't mind a cameo or role if handled correctly. Most of DA2 felt rushed so as long as it wasn't contrived and a decent effort was put into the part I'd be game.

As for Marethari and Merrill... I feel like the keeper was a dunce. In Act 1, the cave with the demon is surrounded by a forcefield but in Act 2 only a cart in in the wave, signifying to me Marethari may have taken the demon in sooner than we thought.

Personally, I feel like choice was taken from us in Merrill's last mission. We should have gone into the cave and either good conversation skills, persuasion or other conditions (other companions/other quests) would influence whether she lets the demon out. If Hawke fails, we kill Merrill. If we succeed, demon dies or it escapes "somehow" and we still have to slay the bugger.

Instead, Marethari goes Leeroy Jenkins and takes the demon for herself and my Hawke is there rolling her eyes muttering something about "yolo" mages.

In any case, it fits into Audacity's role very well. Marethari was prideful and thought she could handle everything herself. Everything was her responsibility and had to be handled by her. Pride led to ruin in both Merrill and Marethari's case.

[Mykel54]

Merrill from DA2 was the worst character i have seen in any bioware game, i can´t find no reason whatsoever to like her, or even respect her (like Anders), she is just dumb. What Merrill should have done is to cleanse the shard from the taint, then hide it somewhere safe, wait until Marethari dies and then take over the clan. As Keeper, Merrill then can do whatever she wants and has all the authority to rebuild the eluvian, she could even ask for help to other dalish keepers so the project isn´t her alone but something several people are working on.

Alas, Merrill believed she was "the chosen one" destined to save her people, and so she failed expectacularly.

Modifié par Mykel54, 18 septembre 2013 - 10:03 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Xilizhra wrote...

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

I killed Merill:P

[Thomas Andresen]

You know, if you really don't want BioWare to include a certain type of character, saying stuff like "God no! I hated that character!" will only make BioWare want to include more characters like that. They'll be like "Yes! Mission accomplished!" Or like this:


Hate is far from the worst reaction a writer can imagine. Indifference is. And indifference does not lead to visiting every thread dedicated to a character and declaring your dislike for him/her. A writer doesn't necessarily want you to love every aspect of their writing; that you feel something about it, love it or hate it, that is what writers take as testament to whether they've succeeded.

[Kidd]

Necanor wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Remind me to kill your Hawke later.

I killed Merill:P

My Hawke. Your Hawke. The Gallows. Tomorrow by dawn.

She will be waiting.

[Rawgrim]

I didn`t know it was possible to kill Merill. How is this doable?

[Eragon-]

Rawgrim wrote...

I didn`t know it was possible to kill Merill. How is this doable?

By selling your soul to the devil.

[LobselVith8]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Merrill studied the Eluvian; there's no indication Marethari did. Why should Marethari be trusted over Merrill when the former is ignorant about the Eluvian, while the latter researched them? Merrill conversed with a trapped[/i] Audacity; Marethari let Audacity loose. Marethari was likely manipulated by Audacity; she was likely the target all along, since Merrill tells an aggressive Hawke that she won't free Audacity. And Marethari paid the price for letting Audacity loose; continuing to blame Merrill for the actions of another grown adult doesn't sway some of us.

But Marethari knew not to trust Demons, Which Merrill seemed willing to do. All in the name of "restoring the Elf past" Which sadly 1 mirror doesn't help considering it needs 2 to work correctly.

Merrill chastised Anders for thinking there were such things as 'good' spirits; she says all spirits are dangerous. Talking to a trapped spirit who can only escape if you intentionally set him free (something Merrill was never willing to do, as she explicitly tells aggressive Hawke), isn't dangerous. Marethari seems to have been deceived by Audacity into setting it free from the totem.

Nightdragon8 wrote...

From what I understood Merrill was going to go there to release the demon anyway, and Marethari just did it in her place, to teach Merrill a lesson. Don't play with Demons, don't listen to them don't trust them, cause all they want to do is cause chaos and destruction. And to think otherwise your a fool.

No, that isn't the case. Merrill isn't going there to let Audacity loose; she never even released Audacity to learn blood magic. Even Marethari never makes that claim; the Keeper thinks Audacity will escape through the restored Eluvian (after thinking Merrill would bring back the taint in Act I and II), and she released Audacity. Her most likely source for this claim is Audacity, who wants to escape. Her attempt to "protect" Merrill leads her to try to kill Merrill as an abomination.

Nightdragon8 wrote...

As for the Daslih elves going crazy and attacking the party over Merrill honestly at that point considering she was already exiled should just have picked up and moved on.

Yeah. Having Arianni try to kill Merrill and Hawke as well was simply laughable.

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Honestly picking up an aritfact that killed 1-2 people all in the vague hope that you could find them, is a serious dumb move. Also if only 1 person died, the other person was then tainted by the darkspawn, can we really say that was a smart thing to handle?

Think about it, you see an old refegerator, marked with symbols you don't know, you open it and take out a vial and it breaks, you then get deathly ill and die from it. So what the smart thing to do is go back to it and bring it with you? No it wouldn't.

Considering Merrill cleansed the shard of the taint (which is why she isn't a ghoul like the elves in Witch Hunt are, who came into contact with the corrupted shards of the Eluvian), this argument about it causing Tamlen's demise doesn't sway me. There's also the fact that Merrill studied the lore on the Eluvian, and gathered information from the shard. The only person we've met who seems to know more about the Eluvians is Morrigan. Given the ramifications and benefits that technology can to society, I don't see why you condemn Merrill for trying to restore ancient elven technology that could be harnessed and utilized by the People.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 18 septembre 2013 - 11:25 .

[Xilizhra]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I feel so left out in this conversation. I rivalmanced Merrill, yet I also think she is innocent of Marethati's actions. I protected her from herself, yet wasn't a douche about it.

Who do I argue with in this thread of black and white? =O

Because such "protection" was unnecessary, cloying and on the abusive side.