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[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Nope. World of Thedas explicitly says only Orlais had any actual troops participate.

Do you even know what a March is? It was not Orlais alone.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's not conflicting. The Chantry called an Exalted March but the troops were only from Orlais. Bioware mentioned the errors they found in World of Thedas later and this was not one of them. It's also not like Orlais doesn't have a Circle of it's own.

It's a huge stretch to think that the book must be wrong even when it goes out of it's way to mention something and Bioware doesn't mention it in it's corrections. Beforehand I also assumed the other nations in Thedas had participated.

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Nope.
World of Thedas explicitly says only Orlais had any actual troops
participate.

Do you even know what a March is? It was not Orlais
alone.

Yes it was. When there is a paragraph that says and I quote "It became known as the Exalted March of the Dales. Orlais was the only nation to provide troops." then Orlais was the only nation to participate in the Exalted March.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 19 septembre 2013 - 01:47 .

[cjones91]

The Chantry did help Orlais by calling troops from other nations to help defeat the "heretics" from the Dales.They even told stories about how the Dalish sacrificed human children in blood rituals just to get people to hate the elves.

[Volus Warlord]

I'm all for killing lots of elves.

[sandalisthemaker]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I'm all for killing lots of elves.

No. Say it ain't so.
I'm shocked.

[RobRam10]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I'm all for killing lots of elves.

[LobselVith8]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It's not conflicting. The Chantry called an Exalted March but the troops were only from Orlais. Bioware mentioned the errors they found in World of Thedas later and this was not one of them. It's also not like Orlais doesn't have a Circle of it's own.

It's a huge stretch to think that the book must be wrong even when it goes out of it's way to mention something and Bioware doesn't mention it in it's corrections. Beforehand I also assumed the other nations in Thedas had participated.

The summary from that page doesn't even match who corralled the elves who submitted to human rule into other nations. The codex says it was the Chantry, while WoT says it was Orlais.

Frankly, I don't see the logic in Orlesian troops needing an Exalted March in order to be mobilized into fighting for their nation.

[maliluka]

Okay I know you cant Dragon Age Wiki as gosspel but this is what it says:
Originally, only the Orlesian Empire went to battle, and the Dalish elves responded with a fury that the Empire couldn't deal with. The elves made serious gains until the other Andrastian nations joined the March.

[addiction21]

The elves in this setting were laid low by their own hubris and they continue to wallow in it.

[leaguer of one]

addiction21 wrote...

The elves in this setting were laid low by their own hubris and they continue to wallow in it.

No they were not.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

It's not conflicting. The Chantry called an Exalted March but the troops were only from Orlais. Bioware mentioned the errors they found in World of Thedas later and this was not one of them. It's also not like Orlais doesn't have a Circle of it's own.

It's a huge stretch to think that the book must be wrong even when it goes out of it's way to mention something and Bioware doesn't mention it in it's corrections. Beforehand I also assumed the other nations in Thedas had participated.

The summary from that page doesn't even match who corralled the elves who submitted to human rule into other nations. The codex says it was the Chantry, while WoT says it was Orlais.

Frankly, I don't see the logic in Orlesian troops needing an Exalted March in order to be mobilized into fighting for their nation.

It was both because they participated in the war together. The implication of the Fall of the Dales that I think is that: after the border skirmishes the elves defeated the Orlesian armies and captured Red Crossing and Montismmard, then sacked Val Royeaux. The Divine called for a Holy War and the Orlesian millitary was bolstered by the faithful who answered the call to arms as well as Templars who could now directly participate. Ten years of fighting later, they managed to conquer Halamshiriel. Not that they needed the Divine's permission to fight for their own country.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 19 septembre 2013 - 02:21 .

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Nope.
World of Thedas explicitly says only Orlais had any actual troops
participate.

Do you even know what a March is? It was not Orlais
alone.

Yes it was. When there is a paragraph that says and I quote "It became known as the Exalted March of the Dales. Orlais was the only nation to provide troops." then Orlais was the only nation to participate in the Exalted March.

No it was not.

[LobselVith8]

addiction21 wrote...

The elves in this setting were laid low by their own hubris and they continue to wallow in it.

Tevinter enslaved them, and the Dalish claim the Chantry invaded their kingdom with templars because they wouldn't convert to their religion.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Nope.
World of Thedas explicitly says only Orlais had any actual troops
participate.

Do you even know what a March is? It was not Orlais
alone.

Yes it was. When there is a paragraph that says and I quote "It became known as the Exalted March of the Dales. Orlais was the only nation to provide troops." then Orlais was the only nation to participate in the Exalted March.

No it was not.

Is there some part of this you aren't understanding? World of Thedas is a book written by Bioware about the history of the Dragon Age universe. It's offical. It's canon. And it says outright that ONLY ORLAIS fought against The Dales.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 19 septembre 2013 - 02:22 .

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Nope.
World of Thedas explicitly says only Orlais had any actual troops
participate.

Do you even know what a March is? It was not Orlais
alone.

Yes it was. When there is a paragraph that says and I quote "It became known as the Exalted March of the Dales. Orlais was the only nation to provide troops." then Orlais was the only nation to participate in the Exalted March.

No it was not.

Is there some part of this you aren't understanding? World of Thedas is a book written by Bioware about the history of the Dragon Age universe. It's offical. It's canon. And it says outright that ONLY ORLAIS fought against The Dales.

Please reiwrite word from word from that book that says Orlais was in that march alone.

[LobselVith8]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The summary from that page doesn't even match who corralled the elves who submitted to human rule into other nations. The codex says it was the Chantry, while WoT says it was Orlais.

Frankly, I don't see the logic in Orlesian troops needing an Exalted March in order to be mobilized into fighting for their nation.

It was both because they participated in the war together. The implication of the Fall of the Dales that I think is that: after the border skirmishes the elves defeated the Orlesian armies and captured Red Crossing and Montismmard, then sacked Val Royeaux. The Divine called for a Holy War and the Orlesian millitary was bolstered by the faithful who answered the call to arms as well as Templars who could now directly participate. Ten years of fighting later, they managed to conquer Halamshiriel. 

Considering WoT doesn't even address the Dalish perspective (that is also echoed by the elven Warden), I don't see why you think the line is infallible when other sources mention other nations.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Codexes are in universe sources and subject to biases. World of Thedas is more or less objective. It actually mentions this in the legend at the start of the book.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 19 septembre 2013 - 02:23 .

[JerZey CJ]

They should do what the Argonians in TES did, wait for them to be utterly devastated, THEN take back their land.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Nope.
World of Thedas explicitly says only Orlais had any actual troops
participate.

Do you even know what a March is? It was not Orlais
alone.

Yes it was. When there is a paragraph that says and I quote "It became known as the Exalted March of the Dales. Orlais was the only nation to provide troops." then Orlais was the only nation to participate in the Exalted March.

No it was not.

Is there some part of this you aren't understanding? World of Thedas is a book written by Bioware about the history of the Dragon Age universe. It's offical. It's canon. And it says outright that ONLY ORLAIS fought against The Dales.

Please reiwrite word from word from that book that says Orlais was in that march alone.

I just did in the very post you quoted earlier on the page.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 19 septembre 2013 - 02:26 .

[BlueMagitek]

Wow, the blinders are on hard tonight. XD

"That passage from the book about lore is wrong!" ~_^

[Daerog]

It says that Orlais was the only one who sent troops. Why would the humans/Chantry/Orlais not say that other nations joined in? Sure other people from other places jumped in, but not official troops from other nations are mentioned, why would they not be mentioned if it wasn't true?

An Exalted March allows more funding to come into the war effort, Templars to join, Seekers to join, more money for mercenaries, more faithful soldiers to just drop in under command of Orlais, and most important of all, mages from the Circle to be recruited for the war.

[LobselVith8]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Codexes are in universe sources and subject to biases. World of Thedas is more or less objective. It actually mentions this in the legend at the start of the book.

You mean it puts forth the Orlesian version and omits the Dalish version.

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Nope.
World of Thedas explicitly says only Orlais had any actual troops
participate.

Do you even know what a March is? It was not Orlais
alone.

Yes it was. When there is a paragraph that says and I quote "It became known as the Exalted March of the Dales. Orlais was the only nation to provide troops." then Orlais was the only nation to participate in the Exalted March.

No it was not.

Is there some part of this you aren't understanding? World of Thedas is a book written by Bioware about the history of the Dragon Age universe. It's offical. It's canon. And it says outright that ONLY ORLAIS fought against The Dales.

Please reiwrite word from word from that book that says Orlais was in that march alone.

I just did in the very post you quoted earlier on the page.

page number.

[BlueMagitek]

Well it appears that it gives the most accurate telling of the truth, as opposed to terribly biased, oral tradition that the Dalish use.

You know, the foundation of knowledge in literature and whatnot.

[leaguer of one]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Well it appears that it gives the most accurate telling of the truth, as opposed to terribly biased, oral tradition that the Dalish use.

You know, the foundation of knowledge in literature and whatnot.

Because the victors don't change the story of what happened.(Looks at Japan.)<_<