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[dragonflight288]

Gwydden wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Reasonable people don't go into a legl meeting and say 'break it up, you're all under arrest, and if you disagree with me, my associates will kill you.'

I clarified that he was reasonable when compared to other templars we've met (Meredith, Alrik, Cullen a bit), while at the same time not being as incompetent as others (Thrask, Cullen again).

Reasonable compared to others means exactly what, in the end? That's like saying he's reasonable compared to a mad serial killer, or reasonable compared to someone who has lost all sense of reason or logic. Or reasonable compared to someone who is traumatized.

That's hardly comforting from the person in charge of making sure templars don't abuse mages.

What I expect from a reasonable, well-rounded templar or seeker, is someone who takes every aspect of the job seriously. Including the parts that they protect mages from others. Not just protect others from mages.

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

But that's the thing. He wasn't a templar. It wasn't his job to protect people from mages. He was a Seeker, the Lord-High Seeker to be precise. His job was to investigate the templars and keep them from abusing the mages, or to remove ineffectual templars and get them replaced.

He was not doing his designated job, since his paranoia had him acting as a Knight-Vigilant templar.

It's especially damning when he orders Evangeline to kill anyone who may have proof that tranquility is curable.

[Gwydden]

dragonflight288 wrote...

But that's the thing. He wasn't a templar. It wasn't his job to protect people from mages. He was a Seeker, the Lord-High Seeker to be precise. His job was to investigate the templars and keep them from abusing the mages, or to remove ineffectual templars and get them replaced.

He was not doing his designated job, since his paranoia had him acting as a Knight-Vigilant templar.

It's especially damning when he orders Evangeline to kill anyone who may have proof that tranquility is curable.

Well, that's a different matter, and I can see how he got derailed from his work. Maybe they forgot to send a memo his way? Still, after seing such a horrible array of templars in both DA games so far, particularly in the second one, I expect Inquisition will at least bring a few less ineffectual, so to say.

[Iakus]

AresKeith wrote...

No she didn't, she's an idiot and an example of why people don't fully trust mages

You're right.  People like Adrien give mages a bad name, and are a big part of the reason the muggles fear them.

[Xilizhra]

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

And amusingly, he's not good at all!

[Gwydden]

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

And amusingly, he's not good at all!

Meaning?

[Xilizhra]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

And amusingly, he's not good at all!

Meaning?

He's a ruthless, unpleasant bastard who happily rapes minds and issues summary executions.

[The Elder King]

Xilzhra thinks Gregoir is a tyrant.
Though she doesn't think highly of Irving either.

Modifié par hhh89, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:46 .

[Gwydden]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

And amusingly, he's not good at all!

Meaning?

He's a ruthless, unpleasant bastard who happily rapes minds and issues summary executions.

Are we still talking about Gregoir here?

[Hellion Rex]

hhh89 wrote...

Xilzhra thinks Gregoir is a tyrant.

He kinda was. He would rather annul the whole circle than give the warden a chance to save it.

[Hellion Rex]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

And amusingly, he's not good at all!

Meaning?

He's a ruthless, unpleasant bastard who happily rapes minds and issues summary executions.

Are we still talking about Gregoir here?

I hope not. We have no knowledge that Gregoir raped anyone.

[Hellion Rex]

MasterScribe wrote...

Did people miss the part where Cassandra is a templar too? 

Yes, we know. Seekers are "advanced templars" so to speak. Lambert had templar abilities as well.

[Xilizhra]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

And amusingly, he's not good at all!

Meaning?

He's a ruthless, unpleasant bastard who happily rapes minds and issues summary executions.

Are we still talking about Gregoir here?

Did you play the mage origin where he tried to have Jowan's emotions ripped out and, when that failed, simply tried to have him murdered?

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that if you actually wanted a templar that will protect you from mages, he wouldn't be that terrible a choice. As I said, the only "good" templar we've actually met in the games, as far as I can remember, is Gregoir.

And amusingly, he's not good at all!

Meaning?

He's a ruthless, unpleasant bastard who happily rapes minds and issues summary executions.

Are we still talking about Gregoir here?

Did you play the mage origin where he tried to have Jowan's emotions ripped out and, when that failed, simply tried to have him murdered?

That is NOT rape. I played the mage origin as well.

Modifié par eluvianix, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:49 .

[Gwydden]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Xilzhra thinks Gregoir is a tyrant.

He kinda was. He would rather annul the whole circle than give the warden a chance to save it.

Considering that at that point the Circle was overrun with demons and abominations, it was logical to assume that all mages had died/couldn't be saved by then. In his eyes, he would just be purging the tower of Fade ilegal immigrants.

[Xilizhra]

That is NOT rape. I played the mage origin as well.

I did say mind rape, if you will recall.

Considering that at that point the Circle was overrun with demons and abominations, it was logical to assume that all mages had died/couldn't be saved by then. In his eyes, he would just be purging the tower of Fade ilegal immigrants.

Foolish and rather cowardly, not to mention murderous.

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Xilzhra thinks Gregoir is a tyrant.

He kinda was. He would rather annul the whole circle than give the warden a chance to save it.

He give the Warden the choice of saving. He didn't want the Warden to to becuase it was, in theory, a suicide, and he didn't think mages would've survived.
The Broken Circle is a massive break in the lore. 4 people killing that many abominations is ridicolous. 

[Xilizhra]

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Xilzhra thinks Gregoir is a tyrant.

He kinda was. He would rather annul the whole circle than give the warden a chance to save it.

He give the Warden the choice of saving. He didn't want the Warden to to becuase it was, in theory, a suicide, and he didn't think mages would've survived.
The Broken Circle is a massive break in the lore. 4 people killing that many abominations is ridicolous. 

The fear of abominations is overblown. Relatively few demons are powerful enough to be truly threatening as abominations, they just get the most codex publicity.

[Gwydden]

Xilizhra wrote...
Did you play the mage origin where he tried to have Jowan's emotions ripped out and, when that failed, simply tried to have him murdered?

I did, and I sided with Jowan there and stood by my choice, but that doesn't remove the fact that in the eyes of almost every person in Thedas, Jowan is a criminal.

[Xilizhra]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Did you play the mage origin where he tried to have Jowan's emotions ripped out and, when that failed, simply tried to have him murdered?

I did, and I sided with Jowan there and stood by my choice, but that doesn't remove the fact that in the eyes of almost every person in Thedas, Jowan is a criminal.

And almost every person on Thedas is wrong. Well, not by a legal definition, but definitely a moral one.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

That is NOT rape. I played the mage origin as well.

I did say mind rape, if you will recall.

Considering that at that point the Circle was overrun with demons and abominations, it was logical to assume that all mages had died/couldn't be saved by then. In his eyes, he would just be purging the tower of Fade ilegal immigrants.

Foolish and rather cowardly, not to mention murderous.

Please accept my apology. I saw rape and my mind jumped to the obvious conclusion. And I do agree, Tranquility is mind rape, and akin to lobotomy.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Xilzhra thinks Gregoir is a tyrant.

He kinda was. He would rather annul the whole circle than give the warden a chance to save it.

He give the Warden the choice of saving. He didn't want the Warden to to becuase it was, in theory, a suicide, and he didn't think mages would've survived.
The Broken Circle is a massive break in the lore. 4 people killing that many abominations is ridicolous. 

The fear of abominations is overblown. Relatively few demons are powerful enough to be truly threatening as abominations, they just get the most codex publicity.

Also, I would argue that our player character has the capacity to be the on the top tier of mages in Thedas.

[Gwydden]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Did you play the mage origin where he tried to have Jowan's emotions ripped out and, when that failed, simply tried to have him murdered?

I did, and I sided with Jowan there and stood by my choice, but that doesn't remove the fact that in the eyes of almost every person in Thedas, Jowan is a criminal.

And almost every person on Thedas is wrong. Well, not by a legal definition, but definitely a moral one.

Still, he was breaking the law. And I would argue that Blood Magic in the hands (pun not intended) of an inexpert, jelous young mage is extremely dangerous for him and those around him.

[Xilizhra]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Did you play the mage origin where he tried to have Jowan's emotions ripped out and, when that failed, simply tried to have him murdered?

I did, and I sided with Jowan there and stood by my choice, but that doesn't remove the fact that in the eyes of almost every person in Thedas, Jowan is a criminal.

And almost every person on Thedas is wrong. Well, not by a legal definition, but definitely a moral one.

Still, he was breaking the law. And I would argue that Blood Magic in the hands (pun not intended) of an inexpert, jelous young mage is extremely dangerous for him and those around him.

Strangely, this is proven... not at all. He only uses blood magic to escape from the templars, his immoral action after that had nothing to do with magic at all, and if you let him go, he winds up guarding refugee caravans.