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[Xilizhra]

I'm fine with mandatory companions, provided they don't screw with my goals.

[Allan Schumacher]

Bethany explicitly says "I thought they all abandoned Lothering." I'm not misremembering anything.

Is this term referring to leaving to people behind, or to the act of leaving Lothering (while I know I am not as diligent on the lore as many of you, I am under the impression that the people of Lothering either left Lothering or were killed if they remained behind)?

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm fine with mandatory companions, provided they don't screw with my goals.

From a roleplaying standpoint, I don't see why a Dalish protagonist would accept the aid of a templar or a Seeker companion, given the history of the People with the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. I think you can make a similar case for an apostate Inquisitor, or a templar main character accepting apostates. While I don't dispute that some protagonists would accept anyone at such a time, not every (hypothetical) main character would.

[Br3admax]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm fine with mandatory companions, provided they don't screw with my goals.

From a roleplaying standpoint, I don't see why a Dalish protagonist would accept the aid of a templar or a Seeker companion, given the history of the People with the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. I think you can make a similar case for an apostate Inquisitor, or a templar main character accepting apostates. While I don't dispute that some protagonists would accept anyone at such a time, not every (hypothetical) main character would.

The same reason that they would rebuild an Order that became said people. 

[Xilizhra]

Is this term referring to leaving to people behind, or to the act of leaving Lothering (while I know I am not as diligent on the lore as many of you, I am under the impression that the people of Lothering either left Lothering or were killed if they remained behind)?

They left before all of its people did, as they were gone before the Hawke family departed.

From a roleplaying standpoint, I don't see why a Dalish protagonist would accept the aid of a templar or a Seeker companion, given the history of the People with the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. I think you can make a similar case for an apostate Inquisitor, or a templar main character accepting apostates. While I don't dispute that some protagonists would accept anyone at such a time, not every (hypothetical) main character would.

It does seem that this Veil tear is the highest priority, and turning down skilled companions might not be an option.

[Allan Schumacher]

They left before all of its people did, as they were gone before the Hawke family departed.

How much earlier? (Also, when specifically did Hawke's family depart, compared to the destruction of Lothering)

I'm curious of the timing of it (if you can point me to the specific dialogue as well, that'd be handy. Sorry I joined the thread late).

[Wulfram]

The Templars left before the Hawke family did, but the Hawke family indisputably left too late - they were waiting for Carver and potentially Hawke to arrive from Lothering - given that they'd all have been eaten without Flemeth. So I can't really hold it against the Templars.

Modifié par Wulfram, 19 septembre 2013 - 11:52 .

[Karlone123]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Bethany explicitly says "I thought they all abandoned Lothering." I'm not misremembering anything.

Is this term referring to leaving to people behind, or to the act of leaving Lothering (while I know I am not as diligent on the lore as many of you, I am under the impression that the people of Lothering either left Lothering or were killed if they remained behind)?

I would hate to see Ser Bryant die.

[LobselVith8]

Br3ad wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

From a roleplaying standpoint, I don't see why a Dalish protagonist would accept the aid of a templar or a Seeker companion, given the history of the People with the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. I think you can make a similar case for an apostate Inquisitor, or a templar main character accepting apostates. While I don't dispute that some protagonists would accept anyone at such a time, not every (hypothetical) main character would.

The same reason that they would rebuild an Order that became said people. 

As I pointed out earlier, I don't dispute some main characters would, but mandating that all protagonists must accept certain characters does make it hard to swallow if the Inquisitor you want to play as is someone who wouldn't accept certain companions.

For example, a Dalish elf Inquisitor who blamed the Chantry for invading the Dales with templars (according to their historical account) might not accept a templar or Seeker into his moiety crew, while a templar Inquisitor who genuinely believed in the tenants of the Order might not accept an apostate being free of the Chantry controlled Circles.

[Maria Caliban]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

They left before all of its people did, as they were gone before the Hawke family departed.

How much earlier? (Also, when specifically did Hawke's family depart, compared to the destruction of Lothering)

I'm curious of the timing of it (if you can point me to the specific dialogue as well, that'd be handy. Sorry I joined the thread late).

The beginning of DA II talks about the Hawke family 'waiting too long,' which is why they're alone and surrounded by Darkspawn.

I suspect this is because Carver and possibly Hawke were at Ostigar, so the rest of the family waited for them to make it back from the battle.

[Ausstig]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm fine with mandatory companions, provided they don't screw with my goals.

From a roleplaying standpoint, I don't see why a Dalish protagonist would accept the aid of a templar or a Seeker companion, given the history of the People with the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. I think you can make a similar case for an apostate Inquisitor, or a templar main character accepting apostates. While I don't dispute that some protagonists would accept anyone at such a time, not every (hypothetical) main character would.

I can think of a reason.

Cause they know that to unite the world you need all types of people. Espacially if you are an outsider. ie. Mages to talk to mages, Templars to talk to Templars, dawaves to dawaves and so on. 

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm fine with mandatory companions, provided they don't screw with my goals.

God dammit Anders.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 septembre 2013 - 12:17 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well that does actually bring up an important point. Anders' terrorist operation wasn't part of his agenda at the time we met him. When he was introduced to us he was just a Grey Warden deserter who wanted to get his friend out of danger.

I didn't have a problem with Anders blowing up the Chantry (from a storytelling perspective, I mean) but I definitely wouldn't have accepted a guy who openly boasted from the start he was going to burn down the world to free mages, if it had been up to me.

I'm of two minds when it comes to mandatory companions here. On the one hand, they are important sometimes especially to give the player a further connection to the story. But there are times when I've had a moral objection to taking someone along. Fortuanately, so far the only Dragon Age companions I've had this issue with were Sten, Zevran and Velanna. None of whom were mandatory. But If a player objects to having a templar or a mage along I'm not sure that's unreasonable as long as it applies to both.

I guess the best I can hope for is that they give the PC a valid reason to take them along if they might not want to.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 septembre 2013 - 12:31 .

[LobselVith8]

Ausstig wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

From a roleplaying standpoint, I don't see why a Dalish protagonist would accept the aid of a templar or a Seeker companion, given the history of the People with the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. I think you can make a similar case for an apostate Inquisitor, or a templar main character accepting apostates. While I don't dispute that some protagonists would accept anyone at such a time, not every (hypothetical) main character would.

I can think of a reason.

Cause they know that to unite the world you need all types of people. Espacially if you are an outsider. ie. Mages to talk to mages, Templars to talk to Templars, dawaves to dawaves and so on.

Like I said before, I'm not disputing that some protagonists can have reasons for doing precisely that; I simply think it would be preferable if it wasn't an issue of forcing every protagonist to accept certain companions who didn't follow that mindset.

[Ausstig]

LobselVith8 wrote...


Like I said before, I'm not disputing that some protagonists can have reasons for doing precisely that; I simply think it would be preferable if it wasn't an issue of forcing every protagonist to accept certain companions who didn't follow that mindset.

What mind set? 

edit: this is why having multi-race pc's is dumb, as it gives more fodder for people (like you) to say 'My charcter wouldn't do that'/ 'railroading'.

Did you have forced issue with the compaions in DA:O/A/2?  

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I thought Alistair was the only forced companion in Origins and Awakening, and even he you can replace with Loghain by the end.

Sometimes there are ways to get around railroading if it seems like a character is deemed important to the PC even if they don't actually like them. NWN 2 had an example, I remember feeling like it was the case with Ammon Jerro, but not Bishop.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 septembre 2013 - 12:50 .

[LobselVith8]

Ausstig wrote...

What mind set? 

edit: this is why having multi-race pc's is dumb, as it gives more fodder for people (like you) to say 'My charcter wouldn't do that'/ 'railroading'.

Did you have forced issue with the compaions in DA:O/A/2?

This was an issue prior to multiple race options. I recall some pro-templar players expressing the same opinion I am right now when Dragon Age II was released because of the mandatory apostate companions, since they didn't think that their pro-templar Champion should accept apostates roaming free (outside the Circle).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

 I thought you could just tell her to leave not long after you first pick her up. I could be misremembering though.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 septembre 2013 - 01:00 .

[llandwynwyn]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

 I thought you could just tell her to leave not long after you pick her up. I could be misremembering though.

Yes. She returns in the end offering to do the DR.

[Allan Schumacher]

I don't see why a Dalish protagonist would accept the aid of a templar or a Seeker companion, given the history of the People with the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order

Does your belief that you don't see why mean that it would be impossible for it to actually make sense, or are there ways that it could and you just don't happen to see them at the moment?