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[AmazingOlivia]

 I was thinking about choices, and about the Mage-Templar conflict. Leliana and Cassandra seem to think that the Warden and Hawke can somehow help. And I know we have no real clue as to their importance in DA:I, but it got me wondering. Hawke and Warden can potentially have completely different ideologies. Even more than Mage/Templar/Chantry, the Warden can have Elven or Dwarven alliegiences, which could potientially put him/her at odds with the chantry. What does Leliana think that Hawke and the Warden could do to help?

[Clockwork_Wings]

*over dramatically* I don't know, but I'm going to find out.

[Little Princess Peach]

-blinks- well you see when a plot and a bit of paper really love each other, an idea is born, and that idea then becomes two ideas and then the Plot master adds some special plots to that papper and the forum of well wishers and happy go getter's get to rip it to shreds the end.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Unfortunately I can't imagine trying to define previous PCs allegiances would go well for anyone. Bioware obviously controls both characters but there's no way to make all players' happy.
My first two Hawkes both sided with the Orsino at the end in DA 2 but neither of them have any interest whatsoever in actually helping a mage rebellion, especially since they killed and banished Anders respectively.

Conversely what about the Wardens? They could be any number of races with any number of opniions. Say hypothetically there was a debate among the Dalish Clans at the next Arlathvhen about whether to intervene in the Orlesian Civil War. What would a Dalish Warden argue if they went there to participate? Every player would have their own opinion. In my mind, my version of Maharial would beg them not to attack Orlais and instead find a stable place to protect the people. But another player might be the first one to trumpet the war drums to retake the Dales. What about Mage Wardens? Do they support the mage rebellion? What if they didn't ask for the Circle to be freed from Chantry oversight?

[thats1evildude]

The Warden managed to rally together an entire country to defeat the shortest Blight in history. The Champion stood alone against two seperate armies seeking to wreak havoc in Kirkwall.

Regardless of their allegiances or their respective track records, both Hawke and the Warden showed that they do things that no one else could. If Cassandra and Leliana tracked them down, perhaps they could be convinced to intervene in this war before it destroys Thedas.

I could see Hawke or the Warden tracking down the respective leaders of both sides, trying to negotiate a cease fire. A few bad elements would pop up - mages and templars who won't settle for anything less than total destruction of each other  - and Hawke and Warden could slay those trouble-makers. And if necessary, they both could rally independent supporters to form a third front in the war, one with the purpose of bringing both sides to heel.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 19 septembre 2013 - 08:14 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Yeah, I don't think my main PC's would get along too well. My main Warden would try and kill my Blood Mage Hawke the instant she met her; my BM is a narcissistic psychopath who encouraged Anders and murdered anyone who got in her way and the Queen would never tolerate that nutter and would try to put her to the sword.

So yeah, if Cass and Leliana thinks those two would get along they are deluded.

[thats1evildude]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, I don't think my main PC's would get along too well. My main Warden would try and kill my Blood Mage Hawke the instant she met her; my BM is a narcissistic psychopath who encouraged Anders and murdered anyone who got in her way and the Queen would never tolerate that nutter and would try to put her to the sword.

So yeah, if Cass and Leliana thinks those two would get along they are deluded.

Cassandra said she was looking for Hawke to end the war, and it was implied they had also sought the Warden. 
Neither she nor Leliana said "We've got to get the Warden and Hawke on the same team!" They were probably just hoping to find one of them.

To put this another way: let's say you needed to fill a position at your company and you interviewed two candidates for the same job. Both were willing to take it. Would you then hire them both and have them split the responsibilities of the position, along with the pay? No, you'd pick the better candidate.

Incidentally, my Hawke and my Warden would probably have gotten along pretty well. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 19 septembre 2013 - 09:12 .

[KiwiQuiche]

thats1evildude wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, I don't think my main PC's would get along too well. My main Warden would try and kill my Blood Mage Hawke the instant she met her; my BM is a narcissistic psychopath who encouraged Anders and murdered anyone who got in her way and the Queen would never tolerate that nutter and would try to put her to the sword.

So yeah, if Cass and Leliana thinks those two would get along they are deluded.

Cassandra said she was looking for Hawke to end the war, and it was implied they had also sought the Warden. 
Neither she nor Leliana said "We've got to get the Warden and Hawke on the same team!" They were probably just hoping to find one of them.

To put this another way: let's say you needed to fill a position at your company and you interviewed two candidates for the same job. Both were willing to take it. Would you then hire them both and have them split the responsibilities of the position, along with the pay? No, you'd pick the better candidate.

Incidentally, my Hawke and my Warden would probably have gotten along pretty well. 

Well in that case my Hawke would tell Cass to stuff it; she certainly doesn't want the war to end. She wants to burn down the Chantry, kill the Divine and let Tevinter take over again.  Trying to get Hawke's aid is moronic.

And my Queen's loyalty is to her husband and Fereldan first, not some Orlesian spy and her stupid religious leader. Neither would help, Hawke would probably just kill Cass and call it a day 


Ah well, you have amicable mains I presume?

[thats1evildude]

And if the war was truly threatening to destroy the world? Both of your mains would rather rule over a smoking crater?

Either of my guys would step in, though the Warden would be more inclined to side with the Chantry and Hawke with the mages.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 19 septembre 2013 - 09:27 .

[KiwiQuiche]

thats1evildude wrote...

And if the war was truly threatening to destroy the world? Both of your mains would rather rule over a smoking crater?

Either of my guys would step in, though the Warden would be more inclined to side with the Chantry and Hawke with the mages.

My Blood Mage wouldn't care. She's like the Joker, just wanna see it burn. Survival of the fittest and all.

My Queen cares about Fereldan and her husband, first and foremost. She isn't going to abandon her throne and go galloping off because some random Orlesian seeker told her to do so and thus leave Fereldan to be siezed during the War.

A few of my alts would help, but I've only got three who would do so and my mains wouldn't.

Are they king/queen or elf...? Both my mains are humans, which change their perspective greatly. My City Elf would help, as would my Royal Dwarf, but only one of my Hawke's (outta six) would help. I generally play with one main, and the rest of my playthroughs are alts.

[Jonathan Seagull]

I'd kind of love to see my Wardens and Hawkes interact, just because they have such a variety of attitudes that sometimes intersect at interesting angles. My power-driven blood mage Warden exists alongside my compassionate but firm proto-templar Hawke. And they're related!  My ruthless, anti-magic dwarf noble Warden might initially get along swimmingly with my hard-line Meredith supporting FemHawke -- until he found out that she's willing to deal with demons and allow abominations to run loose just to make mages look bad.

And now I've realized that I have one Hawke who was very anti-Qunari, to the extent that he worked with Petrice. I'd get a kick out of him meeting my Qunari Inquisitor, though I was thinking of making her my first (and canon) DAI protag, and in order to line them up I'd have to shift her to second (I line up my playthroughs directly -- 1st to 1st, 2nd to 2nd, etc.). Hmmm.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 19 septembre 2013 - 10:19 .

[Miltialdes]

My two amiel cousin will choose mage faction.

[Fast Jimmy]

This entire set of discussions is exactly why Bioware would do well to kill everyone's previous PCs offscreen in the first five minutes of DA:I.

Or, conversely, just scrap the Save Import altogether. You can't even come close to making people happy in this situation.

[Br3admax]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

This entire set of discussions is exactly why Bioware would do well to kill everyone's previous PCs offscreen in the first five minutes of DA:I.

Or, conversely, just scrap the Save Import altogether. You can't even come close to making people happy in this situation.

No, this is exactly why the shouldn't do such a thing. Especially considering the out roar that would become the result. Also, why even make an option where the Warden can live, just  to kill them off screen. That makes no sense. 

[jtav]

Not kill them--I'm entirely too attached to Hawke. Just let them stay disappeared or have their only involvement be being rescued from whatever made them disappear in the first place.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

DarkPikmin wrote...

 I was thinking about choices, and about the Mage-Templar conflict. Leliana and Cassandra seem to think that the Warden and Hawke can somehow help. And I know we have no real clue as to their importance in DA:I, but it got me wondering. Hawke and Warden can potentially have completely different ideologies. Even more than Mage/Templar/Chantry, the Warden can have Elven or Dwarven alliegiences, which could potientially put him/her at odds with the chantry. What does Leliana think that Hawke and the Warden could do to help?

Since Leliana thinks the Warden can help even if s/he's dead, I wouldn't put much stock in it. 

[wcholcombe]

Br3ad wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

This entire set of discussions is exactly why Bioware would do well to kill everyone's previous PCs offscreen in the first five minutes of DA:I.

Or, conversely, just scrap the Save Import altogether. You can't even come close to making people happy in this situation.

No, this is exactly why the shouldn't do such a thing. Especially considering the out roar that would become the result. Also, why even make an option where the Warden can live, just  to kill them off screen. That makes no sense. 

Hmm that is interestimg.  Wjat if Hawke/ the wardens important role in DAI is that tjey were the ones involved in getting the peace negotiations setup and are killed during the tear in the fade event.....

[esper]

thats1evildude wrote...

And if the war was truly threatening to destroy the world? Both of your mains would rather rule over a smoking crater?

Either of my guys would step in, though the Warden would be more inclined to side with the Chantry and Hawke with the mages.

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Da 2 ending is just bad lol our warden can be super greedy pr*** who hates chantry and killed leliana what she does seeks warden to help them wut?!

Thats why i don't want them in game i don't want that my psycho warden starts jumping around and tell us "we must help this poor childrens" or my heroic warden start burn villages screaming "utopia justifies means"

[Wulfram]

The basic logic seems to be that they'd possess enough prestige that they'd be listened to by at least one side of the conflict if they spoke for peace. Of course it's possible that they might say no, but that doesn't mean they can't be asked.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Wulfram wrote...

The basic logic seems to be that they'd possess enough prestige that they'd be listened to by at least one side of the conflict if they spoke for peace. Of course it's possible that they might say no, but that doesn't mean they can't be asked.

Do you think that asking darth sidious to help your village is good idea?

[Taleroth]

They plan on using Hawke by having him join the enemy factions, screwing up all of their plans.

[wcholcombe]

Or they use their prestige to bring the chantry, mages, and templars together for reconcilliation, the fade tears and everyone--Hawke/Warden/whoever else is there- except the Inquisitor ends up dead.....

[Jaulen]

I viewed Cass and Leli looking for the Warden and Hawke more of a

"Hey, these people, were both instrumental in some major recent events, and now they've just gone *poof*.....why? *bumm bumm bumm*"

Not a "We have to find them and recruit them" type of thing.