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[thats1evildude]

esper wrote...

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

So Cassandra's efforts were doomed from the start. I guess it's just as well, then, that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared and we're now forced to go with Option C - The Inquisition, yes?

You'd almost think that they had planned for that or something.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I for one am kind of hoping Leliana wanted to find my Warden because waifu...

[AlexanderCousland]

Anora+My Warden ? What became of their relationship?

[Androme]

 I think whatever the Wardens or Hawkes opinions, they'd be willing to try to help to stop the chaos.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I'm curious about whether the sibling has any bearing on DAI. Cassandra acts like it's a clue whether they get sent to the wardens, circle, or templars, and all three have a part to play: the templars and circles are at war, and the warden-commander is missing, and later Hawke, who has a sibling in one of the three factions...

[Sanunes]

There are too many variables to get it right and if they do return both The Warden and Hawke will be NPCs which means their motives will be watered down to a "I was asked to" to prevent conflict to what people have picked in the past.

[Danny Boy 7]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The basic logic seems to be that they'd possess enough prestige that they'd be listened to by at least one side of the conflict if they spoke for peace. Of course it's possible that they might say no, but that doesn't mean they can't be asked.

Do you think that asking darth sidious to help your village is good idea?

He might do it....not the best idea I agree...but he could conceivably end the war...it's just not the best  (or even a good) long term plan, know what I mean? Mage-Templar War averted...and now we have to deal with this guy...fabulous.

Either way I think their dissapearance is simply going to be a side quest for Varric or just a cameo near or at the end.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The basic logic seems to be that they'd possess enough prestige that they'd be listened to by at least one side of the conflict if they spoke for peace. Of course it's possible that they might say no, but that doesn't mean they can't be asked.

Do you think that asking darth sidious to help your village is good idea?

He might do it....not the best idea I agree...but he could conceivably end the war...it's just not the best  (or even a good) long term plan, know what I mean? Mage-Templar War averted...and now we have to deal with this guy...fabulous.

Either way I think their dissapearance is simply going to be a side quest for Varric or just a cameo near or at the end.

But war isn't bad for everyone for some it is profit or even opportunity to do thing without consequences what warden could do that in first game even sten calls him hurricane what destroys everything on their path.Agents of chaos seems have to something with veil incidents so i guess at least some of them have profit in that even if leader is omnicidal maniac or cultist.

Now we have psycho warden leliana knows that he isn't nice guy and may express hate toward chantry and well kill her destroying holy artefact rather poor decision especially that s/he could betray them well s/he traded holy for her artefact for power and game allow us be backstabbing pr*** many times .  

Now we have hawke who could be aggressive (as****) pro-mage who support anders fight with chantry with any measures i doubt that he would work with chantry but that is justified because they don't know about hawke much.

[Eterna]

Well I mean, the Warden united a Nation and led a giant army to defeat the Blight and succeeded. Somebody who is able to do that could probably end a mage vs templar war.

[AmazingOlivia]

Eterna5 wrote...

Well I mean, the Warden united a Nation and led a giant army to defeat the Blight and succeeded. Somebody who is able to do that could probably end a mage vs templar war.

True, unless the way you played your Warden made him/her actually like the idea of a mage-templar war. I COULD see them both being convinced to help with the tear in the Veil, if that is actually a bad thing(which I'm not convinced of thanks to Sandal and Yavana)

I'd be sorely disapointed to see my Pro-Elf/Pro-Mage/Anti-Circle/Anti-Chantry Elven Warden forced into helping resolve a war that on all accounts she'd root for, maybe even take part in.

Modifié par DarkPikmin, 19 septembre 2013 - 10:39 .

[Danny Boy 7]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The basic logic seems to be that they'd possess enough prestige that they'd be listened to by at least one side of the conflict if they spoke for peace. Of course it's possible that they might say no, but that doesn't mean they can't be asked.

Do you think that asking darth sidious to help your village is good idea?

He might do it....not the best idea I agree...but he could conceivably end the war...it's just not the best  (or even a good) long term plan, know what I mean? Mage-Templar War averted...and now we have to deal with this guy...fabulous.

Either way I think their dissapearance is simply going to be a side quest for Varric or just a cameo near or at the end.

But war isn't bad for everyone for some it is profit or even opportunity to do thing without consequences what warden could do that in first game even sten calls him hurricane what destroys everything on their path.Agents of chaos seems have to something with veil incidents so i guess at least some of them have profit in that even if leader is omnicidal maniac or cultist.

Now we have psycho warden leliana knows that he isn't nice guy and may express hate toward chantry and well kill her destroying holy artefact rather poor decision especially that s/he could betray them well s/he traded holy for her artefact for power and game allow us be backstabbing pr*** many times .  

Now we have hawke who could be aggressive (as****) pro-mage who support anders fight with chantry with any measures i doubt that he would work with chantry but that is justified because they don't know about hawke much.

Oh I agree with you I just think that presumably  they think, whether it's smart or not, that the Warden and Hawke...homicidal as they may be lol that if anybody could talk them down, they could. And you never know maybe Cassandra thinks she can talk both of them into it. She'll fail obviously...but it's just sort of a...I forget the word....something that you have to do for some reason or another, but it's almost always worthless just because you might get a different response, though your 99% sure the outcome will be the same...the word is on the tip of my tongue

Anyway, it's just a way to answer the questions that tend to be asked by gamers. Why does MC#3 here do what my Warden/Hawke/Revan/etc could do with a word? Why don't they do it? It's the dissapearance solution.

[The Six Path of Pain]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yeah, I don't think my main PC's would get along too well. My main Warden would try and kill my Blood Mage Hawke the instant she met her; my BM is a narcissistic psychopath who encouraged Anders and murdered anyone who got in her way and the Queen would never tolerate that nutter and would try to put her to the sword.

So yeah, if Cass and Leliana thinks those two would get along they are deluded.

Haha that is awesome. I have a similar problem. My Warden is a stoic,calculating,and ruthless warrior with no sense of humor. My Hawke is a smart ass that never takes anything seriously and always tells bad jokes. Especially at the wrong moments, like Saemus's death. <_< Basically the DA version of Sephiroth vs Kefka  lol They would never get along. My Warden would sooner try and stab her in the face, for the simple fact that she is annoying.

[esper]

thats1evildude wrote...

esper wrote...

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

So Cassandra's efforts were doomed from the start. I guess it's just as well, then, that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared and we're now forced to go with Option C - The Inquisition, yes?

You'd almost think that they had planned for that or something.

Cassandra's effort was sort of ridicules from the start. The Chantry villified even the most pro-chantry and/or pro-templar Hawke, I don't know why they would even think that a Hawke who was a 100 percent pro-mage would help them, considering they thought that they purposefully unleashed that idol on Kirkwall (or at least went down into the Deep Road after it.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

esper wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

esper wrote...

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

So Cassandra's efforts were doomed from the start. I guess it's just as well, then, that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared and we're now forced to go with Option C - The Inquisition, yes?

You'd almost think that they had planned for that or something.

Cassandra's effort was sort of ridicules from the start. The Chantry villified even the most pro-chantry and/or pro-templar Hawke, I don't know why they would even think that a Hawke who was a 100 percent pro-mage would help them, considering they thought that they purposefully unleashed that idol on Kirkwall (or at least went down into the Deep Road after it.)

I don't think that seeking hawke help was her first plan she thought that hawke is evil mastermind who planed that so she wanted kill him after story she wanted him to help them. 

[azarhal]

esper wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

esper wrote...

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

So Cassandra's efforts were doomed from the start. I guess it's just as well, then, that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared and we're now forced to go with Option C - The Inquisition, yes?

You'd almost think that they had planned for that or something.

Cassandra's effort was sort of ridicules from the start. The Chantry villified even the most pro-chantry and/or pro-templar Hawke, I don't know why they would even think that a Hawke who was a 100 percent pro-mage would help them, considering they thought that they purposefully unleashed that idol on Kirkwall (or at least went down into the Deep Road after it.)

People makes a lots of assumptions about Cassandra's goals (as does Varric). Gaider said in GameInformer coverage that something else was going on (in DA2 with Cassandra) and we will learn what in DAI.

The "Hawke should have known what was down there", I suspect is a lot more about the Red Templars and red lyrium than the idol. DA2 interrogation scenes are interesting because the viewer has no idea what happened at all. Sentences can be used to mean many things, but in retrospect some of Cassandra's comments might be about things that happened after 9:37 and not while Hawke was in Kirkwall.

For exmaple, Hawke was officially credited for discovering red lyrium, so he's the main suspect in the creation of the Red Templars... They need to have gotten it from somewhere you know.

[esper]

azarhal wrote...

esper wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

esper wrote...

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

So Cassandra's efforts were doomed from the start. I guess it's just as well, then, that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared and we're now forced to go with Option C - The Inquisition, yes?

You'd almost think that they had planned for that or something.

Cassandra's effort was sort of ridicules from the start. The Chantry villified even the most pro-chantry and/or pro-templar Hawke, I don't know why they would even think that a Hawke who was a 100 percent pro-mage would help them, considering they thought that they purposefully unleashed that idol on Kirkwall (or at least went down into the Deep Road after it.)

People makes a lots of assumptions about Cassandra's goals (as does Varric). Gaider said in GameInformer coverage that something else was going on (in DA2 with Cassandra) and we will learn what in DAI.

The "Hawke should have known what was down there", I suspect is a lot more about the Red Templars and red lyrium than the idol. DA2 interrogation scenes are interesting because the viewer has no idea what happened at all. Sentences can be used to mean many things, but in retrospect some of Cassandra's comments might be about things that happened after 9:37 and not while Hawke was in Kirkwall.

For exmaple, Hawke was officially credited for discovering red lyrium, so he's the main suspect in the creation of the Red Templars... They need to have gotten it from somewhere you know.

It doesn't really matter what was going on. 

Cassandra's little belief about Hawke (and no, this is the comments about what happens in Kirkwall, they were very specific) was so riducules from the start, that any non conspiracy theorist would properly have been tipped off about them not being true. Cassandra believes:
that Hawke had everyone with them from start (okay I can see that there were a lot of fereldan),
wanted to upsurp the chantry if mage (okay, still somewhat realistic given what happens end game)
Knew what was in the Deep Road before hand (What, how is that even possible), and if sib becomes a grey warden is in some kind of alliance wiht the grey wardens (Why would the grey wardens have an alliance with Hawke).
Plotted the Qunari attack on Kirkwall, to get into power (And we just entered utterly impossible)
And then we are not even getting into the DLC

No matter what, Cassandra's goal was looking for Hawke was riducules since Hawke apperently in the eyes of the chantry was some sort of mastermind capable of predicting the impossible. It would certainly not be a hero willingly to help them and was apperently so good at manipulating events that they could not possible think that they would get a straight answer out of them.

[esper]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

esper wrote...

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

So Cassandra's efforts were doomed from the start. I guess it's just as well, then, that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared and we're now forced to go with Option C - The Inquisition, yes?

You'd almost think that they had planned for that or something.

Cassandra's effort was sort of ridicules from the start. The Chantry villified even the most pro-chantry and/or pro-templar Hawke, I don't know why they would even think that a Hawke who was a 100 percent pro-mage would help them, considering they thought that they purposefully unleashed that idol on Kirkwall (or at least went down into the Deep Road after it.)

I don't think that seeking hawke help was her first plan she thought that hawke is evil mastermind who planed that so she wanted kill him after story she wanted him to help them. 

Nah... She says to Varric that her goal was to get Hawke to 'talk sense' into the mages or templars (depending on side). Now that could very well be a lie and I hope to the Maker that it was since actually asking Hawke for help would be beyond stupid depending on what they believed about Hawke beforehand. But no matter what, killing Hawke at the state the world would be at the time Varric and Cassandra talks, is useless.

The chaos have spread wherever a single person lives or dies would really, really not make a difference.

[TheKomandorShepard]

esper wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

esper wrote...

It is good that you have such upstanding heroes, but both mains could be played as botherline physocpaths in game. (Heck some of them outright crosses into it).

As it personally, my Hawke wouldn't be too concerned with demons and she would certainly see them as less as a threat than the chantry, my warden would rather watch the world burn than be forced into heroics again.

So Cassandra's efforts were doomed from the start. I guess it's just as well, then, that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared and we're now forced to go with Option C - The Inquisition, yes?

You'd almost think that they had planned for that or something.

Cassandra's effort was sort of ridicules from the start. The Chantry villified even the most pro-chantry and/or pro-templar Hawke, I don't know why they would even think that a Hawke who was a 100 percent pro-mage would help them, considering they thought that they purposefully unleashed that idol on Kirkwall (or at least went down into the Deep Road after it.)

I don't think that seeking hawke help was her first plan she thought that hawke is evil mastermind who planed that so she wanted kill him after story she wanted him to help them. 

Nah... She says to Varric that her goal was to get Hawke to 'talk sense' into the mages or templars (depending on side). Now that could very well be a lie and I hope to the Maker that it was since actually asking Hawke for help would be beyond stupid depending on what they believed about Hawke beforehand. But no matter what, killing Hawke at the state the world would be at the time Varric and Cassandra talks, is useless.

The chaos have spread wherever a single person lives or dies would really, really not make a difference.

Yes but she belived that hawke is evil mastermind so he could cause problems in future and act against them so killing (perhaps even she thought that he is agent of chaos) him would be smart move (well if that was true).Doesn't she says that in the end where she know what hawke person was , but still hawke could be anti-chantry so it had little sense ,more sense if he was pro-templar .

[Br3admax]

No. She never shows any signs of wanting to kill Hawke. More to find out where they were and make them talk whichever respected side down. She simply had a bad opinion of them because she assumed that they were power hungry and came to start the war in the first place.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Br3ad wrote...

No. She never shows any signs of wanting to kill Hawke. More to find out where they were and make them talk whichever respected side down. She simply had a bad opinion of them because she assumed that they were power hungry and came to start the war in the first place.

she never whos any signs wanting hawke help until end so. She clearly thought that hawke is big bad who work to put down chantry seeking him because she wanted him to help chantry is just retarded it is asking darth sidious to help them fight with his empire.

[Br3admax]

No. She didn't want to reveal to Varric what her plan was. It's not some big conspiracy to kill Hawke.
She simply asked questions and Varric talked, and it's nowhere near as extreme as you are trying to make it.

[iOnlySignIn]

Well I hope they don't find my Hawke, who is practically a demon of Chaos from beyond the Veil.

[Azaron Nightblade]

I'm not so sure it's the Mage/Templar conflict that they wanted help with.
I think it's possible that they've found out the source behind it, the one pulling the strings and wanted the Warden and Hawke's help in dealing with that threat (and hopefully help restore peace between the factions in the process).
My guess would be it's the same person responsible for tearing open the veil.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Br3ad wrote...

No. She didn't want to reveal to Varric what her plan was. It's not some big conspiracy to kill Hawke.
She simply asked questions and Varric talked, and it's nowhere near as extreme as you are trying to make it.

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[Karlone123]

FreshIstay wrote...

Anora+My Warden ? What became of their relationship?

The Warden set his relationship status to..."politically complicated".