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[Kolos2]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Kolos2 wrote...

i do not support piracy but DLC policys like those do

the moment we where told about the in game DLC interface i heard the sound of the cash machine

Only in the minds of short-minded children who stomp and drag their feet when things don't go exactly the way they want things to go.

well some of us do not stick out our behinds for something or someone that we alredy paid for in the first place;

To repeat; as long costumers are fine with that kind up milking companys will do it. I preordered my game, that DLC i might get otherwise. 
Seams like people are paying for things that wherent done in time for the original game, thats not an DLC  

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:22 .

[tommythetomcat]

kregano wrote...

The disc swap thing is almost certainly the reason why the Hammerhead is being released as DLC instead of in-game content. There's only so much space in a DVD (even a dual layer) and Blu-Ray is out because Microsoft thinks digital distribution is the way, so installing DLC on an Xbox hard drive is the only way to solve the problem.

The only problem is Microsoft keeps screwing us over when it comes to HDD pricing and selection.

This is something i can certainly agree with. $1+ per gig ratio the were using was just egregious. They are moving to phase out everything even the 120's to make room for the 250gig I haven't seen what they cost now. Hopefully its less than $150 *sigh*

[DeadFlagBlues]

I doubt BioWare would make us pay for the only decent way to travel around uncharted worlds. Something tells me the Hammerhead DLC will be free, otherwise it'd be ridiculous.

[TuringPoint]

DocLasty wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

Why didn't they just finish the game and THEN release it? Ridiculous. If this is even true.

Look at it this way - you buy a car. It's a good car. Solid. Nice. Whatever. But there are features on this car that you have to pay extra for. You don't need them. The car will work fine without them. If you didn't know about the features, you'd never even miss them. But if you don't mind paying a little extra, they're there.

Bioware is dedicated to DLC. Not only is it trend in gaming, but it's something a lot of ME1 fans asked for. The last time around they promised frequent incoming content. This time around, it looks like they're going to deliver.

Yes, you are going to have pay extra for it. They're creating extra, optional stuff to put in the game if you want it. Mass Effect 2 is a robust experience all on its own, though.

Eh, I wasn't really one of the people protesting.  It's just, kinda silly, to release a game and then go and release something as significant as the Hammerhead in a different, free download.

[Anzer]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

You must be one of the most weak willed people that are great assets to fan-bases of Star Trek and whatnot.  I bet if you were a Star Trek fan you'd buy the 250 dollar lifetime sub just so you could play as a Borg, and you'd blame Cryptic for forcing and manipulating you into spending so much money into a trash game.

I C WAT U DID THAR.

• I don't invest money into doomed properties, especially MMOs like Champions Online or Star Trek.
• I enjoy supporting products I like, despite my grumbling to the contrary.
• I apologize if my quoting someone else's name that has "Chaos" in it confused you, but I was not talking to you.

Thank you for your time.

[Sharuko]

They want people to buy the new game and prevent privacy. It sounds good to me.



What I will not agree with is paying for a DLC that has important aspects like the Hammerhead.

[MisterShine]

DocLasty wrote...
Yes, you are going to have pay extra for it. They're creating extra, optional stuff to put in the game if you want it. Mass Effect 2 is a robust experience all on its own, though.

And as for why it's available so close after release, is because we demand it. Let's face it, right after you beat the game several days after you get it, what's going to be the first thing on 99% of people's minds? 

I WANT MORE.

We don't want to wait 2 years for ME3, we want more Mass Effect goodness ASAP. And in order to get this to us in a decent time frame, DLC must be worked on concurrently with at least the testing process of the game.

And if that extra effort is not worth the money to you, don't buy it. They're selling you a complete Mass Effect experience, but if you want Mass Effect 2.5, you gotta pay a little more. If it keeps Bioware in business, I'm all for it


edit: Splelign ernorns and grammar not great.

Modifié par MisterShine, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:30 .

[Kolos2]

DeadFlagBlues wrote...

I doubt BioWare would make us pay for the only decent way to travel around uncharted worlds. Something tells me the Hammerhead DLC will be free, otherwise it'd be ridiculous.

for that kind of content ? EA would cray havoc and let lose the dogs of war if it came free

With DA:O Strone Prisoner i though there cant be a more plain ripoff as this, boy was i wrong

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:25 .

[kregano]

tommythetomcat wrote...

kregano wrote...



The disc swap thing is almost certainly the reason why the Hammerhead is being released as DLC instead of in-game content. There's only so much space in a DVD (even a dual layer) and Blu-Ray is out because Microsoft thinks digital distribution is the way, so installing DLC on an Xbox hard drive is the only way to solve the problem.



The only problem is Microsoft keeps screwing us over when it comes to HDD pricing and selection.

This is something i can certainly agree with. $1+ per gig ratio the were using was just egregious. They are moving to phase out everything even the 120's to make room for the 250gig I haven't seen what they cost now. Hopefully its less than $150 *sigh*

I've seen 250GB+ external hard drives going for ~$80 bucks at Best Buy, so hopefully Microsoft will take the hint to slash prices to that level. Realistically, however, I don't think they would ever go below $100 for the 250GB. And no matter the price, the damn thing better have the transfer cables included, because asking for people to pay for that stuff on top of the expenditure for the HDD is ridiculous.

[tommythetomcat]

Kolos2 wrote...

DeadFlagBlues wrote...

I doubt BioWare would make us pay for the only decent way to travel around uncharted worlds. Something tells me the Hammerhead DLC will be free, otherwise it'd be ridiculous.

for that kind of content ? EA would cray havoc and let lose the dogs of war if it came free

With DA:O Strone Prisoner i though there cant be a more plain ripoff as this, boy was i wrong

EA would rather drum up new sales than DLC.  Unit sales are a chest pounding figure that raises stock prices.  Look at it like that. DLC sure it makes money but its not exactly a big deal.

[Guaritor]

DocLasty wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

Why didn't they just finish the game and THEN release it? Ridiculous. If this is even true.

Look at it this way - you buy a car. It's a good car. Solid. Nice. Whatever. But there are features on this car that you have to pay extra for. You don't need them. The car will work fine without them. If you didn't know about the features, you'd never even miss them. But if you don't mind paying a little extra, they're there.

Bioware is dedicated to DLC. Not only is it trend in gaming, but it's something a lot of ME1 fans asked for. The last time around they promised frequent incoming content. This time around, it looks like they're going to deliver.

Yes, you are going to have pay extra for it. They're creating extra, optional stuff to put in the game if you want it. Mass Effect 2 is a robust experience all on its own, though.

Well put sir... well put.

[DeadFlagBlues]

Kolos2 wrote...

for that kind of content ? EA would cray havoc and let lose the dogs of war if it came free

With DA:O Strone Prisoner i though there cant be a more plain ripoff as this, boy was i wrong

I suppose that's true.

[Kolos2]

Sharuko wrote...


What I will not agree with is paying for a DLC that has important aspects like the Hammerhead.

Exactly, tbh im not suprised its EA after all, what i do find suprising here is how many people are whiling to take it or even apologize  it;
Dunno maybe its becouse a whide margin here is from US (consumer laws  tend to be hmm week? )  or thy swallow anything Bioware makes

[TuringPoint]

I don't think Bioware would sell us a game with uncharted worlds that needed a Hammerhead to traverse, only to sell the Hammerhead separately - as some of you seem to think is what might happen.

I think this is their plan:  They plan on releasing N7 missions, some of which require the Hammerhead, and one of the N7 missions will come with the hammerhead.

It is kinda lame to take out the only real mini-game that existed in the first game, and only keep it going in the sequel with DLC.  

If they start on this track, they better consider setting the basic pricing of their games a tad lower.  I have enough trouble paying for the game as it is, and then they screw people who buy used and put large chunks of gameplay into separate downloads.  Why not just make games that divide into DLC chunks?

Modifié par Alocormin, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:43 .

[Exyle19]

Ugh, why is everyone missing the point?



Remember all those people whining about the Mako being removed? This is obviously to assuage those people, which from what I saw was not a minority. I'm guessing BioWare decided to scrap the Mako due to all the complaints of how boring the unchartered worlds assignments were, but when people went up in arms decided to implement their original successor, the Hammerhead for DLC missions and released it as DLC as development of the main game was already too far along to fully implement into the main story.



I could be wrong about this, but please, people, get it through your heads. This is FREE for purchasers of a new game. Unless you were planning on pirating, this makes no difference to any of you.

[Returnpolicy]

Maybe the plan is as follows: we get a free hammerhead which we can't use without paying for later DLCs which actually contain the content we can use the Hammerhead on I hope not but... hmm... I hope not

[Sharuko]

DocLasty wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

Why didn't they just finish the game and THEN release it? Ridiculous. If this is even true.

Look at it this way - you buy a car. It's a good car. Solid. Nice. Whatever. But there are features on this car that you have to pay extra for. You don't need them. The car will work fine without them. If you didn't know about the features, you'd never even miss them. But if you don't mind paying a little extra, they're there.

Bioware is dedicated to DLC. Not only is it trend in gaming, but it's something a lot of ME1 fans asked for. The last time around they promised frequent incoming content. This time around, it looks like they're going to deliver.

Yes, you are going to have pay extra for it. They're creating extra, optional stuff to put in the game if you want it. Mass Effect 2 is a robust experience all on its own, though.

DLC is good, paying for DLC is great especially if it is good content.  BDtS was a good value to me and I hope to see DLC like that in the future.

However, what I am not cool with is stuff like putting the Hammerhead in DLC.  You really don't need armor to beat the game.  That doesn't mean they should put armor in a DLC that we pay for.  You don't need 10 crewmates, that shouldn't give them the right to make us pay for crewmates other than the first 2.

Some things in my opinion you shouldn't charge for, the Hammerhead (Mako) which was an essential part of the first game, is one of them.

Modifié par Sharuko, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:40 .

[Anzer]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Zalekanzer wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

You must be one of the most weak willed people that are great assets to fan-bases of Star Trek and whatnot.  I bet if you were a Star Trek fan you'd buy the 250 dollar lifetime sub just so you could play as a Borg, and you'd blame Cryptic for forcing and manipulating you into spending so much money into a trash game.

I C WAT U DID THAR.

• I don't invest money into doomed properties, especially MMOs like Champions Online or Star Trek.
• I enjoy supporting products I like, despite my grumbling to the contrary.
  I apologize if my quoting someone else's name that has "Chaos" in it confused you, but I was not talking to you.

Thank you for your time.

Fitting response to somebody who said he felt like DLC was a simile of the company putting a gun to your temple and forcing your credit card purchase, though in a jokingly manner.  Mine was also in jest.  Unless we're being ttly srs bzns.

I am all about the ttly srs bzns. It's how I live and thrive; teh bzns. That is srs. Ttly.

[TuringPoint]

It's a little bit like selling a car without air conditioning, actually. It's done, but it tends to be expected that a new car will have a working air conditioner.

If someone complains about the air conditioner in their car not working, you don't remove their air conditioning unit altogether.

Modifié par Alocormin, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:48 .

[Kolos2]

Exyle19 wrote...

This is FREE for purchasers of a new game. .

As far i know the first DLC will be free at relise, not the second one, when Hammer is up


I dont mind paying for DLCs as long we get extra done content, tbh its a good idea to expand the game and all; But this should be seperated from the content of the original game.
As i said how do we know the vehicle wasnt removed just to be in a DLC?

[Stompi]

The reviews so far were not complaining about the missing vehicle, so I wouldn't even be surprised if it is only useable in future DLC N7 missions. I don't think it will be very helpful in the main story.