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[Jarmelopt]

Which leads back to my earlier statement. Either we do alot of walking in those empty plots, the Hammerhead is useless other than a select few sidemissions, the plots of land are locked out till we get the Hammerhead, or the missions involving the Hammerhead will only be DLC.

[Naltair]

Agreed that is marketing buzz they need to make it sound needed.

[Kolos2]

exactly how does that make it anyway better ?

Bioware own brass states it clearly
:
" Hammer is an a necessity for players traveling across harsh planetary environments throughout the galaxy" not an option as beeing speculated here,
in short without the DLC payers get a limited gameplay experiance,

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:27 .

[DocLasty]

It's amazing how you can infer so much from one word.

[Guaritor]

enerqy wrote...

I don't have any problem with dlc...however it really sucks for people without internet access (me for example). I really like the mass effect world, heck I love bioware since its bg days...but I can't help but feel quite screwed over when everything moves to digital distribution. Btw, I'm a student in a third world country and buy legit copies of games. I hope bioware releases all the 'small' dlc with expansion discs...or maybe that's just a pipe dream...

I do feel bad that you get jipped on the day 1 dlc... but honestly, the game takes up two discs, its very possible that they just couldn't fit more stuff on there... in which case your not really losing out on anything, just not gaining any of the bonus content.

[Subject One]

Disappointing. Remove the Mako to make extra cash is not the smartest move to make happy the ME fan base, certainly. Cancelling my (delayed) CE edition right now to save the extra cash for DLC.

[Frotality]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Jarmelopt wrote...

That's pretty much correct.  Bioware it seemed, as other people have mentioned, went with the approach of remove and if they can fix it then put back in otherwise leave it out.  This is astoundingly stupid.  Either the Hammerhead will be EXTREMELY situational in which we use it for a select few side missions, we're doing ALOT of walking till it comes out, or they locked a whole lot of side missions till you get the Hammerhead.  I mean we don't even know if the missions involving Hammerhead are on the disc or not.  The fact that this isn't even day one DLC makes it look a whole lot worse.

I've said it a million times and I'll reiterate it ad nauseum.

The Mako and planet trekking have been completely and utterly replaced by the HOVER TRANSPORT.  The hover transport takes you within the vicinity of the hot-points for quests and whatnot, and trekking empty lands has been removed from the core game. 

If you want an ATV for planet trekking, that is now an optional luxury.

your missing the entire point. we very well understand what its role wont be, and that impossibly limited role is the concern. that the hammerhead has been made an optional luxury instead of being an intergral part of uncharted worlds like the mako is the problem. our view is that the hammerhead, as a mako replacement SHOULDVE (key word) been a part of the main game, and that role that we prefer, as you have noted, cannot be in the form additional dlc as it would have to alter the current mechanics of the uncharted worlds.

[Kolos2]

And how many of those knew thy had a limited gameplay experiance? for some the KOTOR landing scene fits just as well if there arent any other options

But anyway , as long EA has people willing to pay for such plain milking it will do so i for one are very disapointed Bioware was draged with it

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:33 .

[Jarmelopt]

Kolos2 wrote...

And how many of those knew thy had a limited gameplay experiance? for some the KOTOR landing scene fits just as well if there arent any other options

But anyway , as long EA has people willing to pay for such plain milking it will do so i for one im very disapointed Bioware was draged with it

Quite a few reviewers did mention that the driveable aspect was gone so they did notice.  I'm sure more reviewers will be mentioning it now.

Frotality is exactly correct on it.  

We were saying the Mako parts were boring but not to get rid of them but make them more exciting.  I mean running over to some resources wasn't always fun and people just wanted Bioware to spice it up.  I haven't seen a huge outcry for just getting rid of the Mako altogether.

Modifié par Jarmelopt, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:36 .

[AoiDreamer]

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. You're not missing anything essential to the main story of ME2.

We've all known from the beginning that Bioware had set aside a SEPERATE team to work on DLC, it's not like the people who were working on the game have decided to cheat you, they instead are blessing you with DLC shortly after the game comes out. What's wrong with that? You get the free opening DLC, and then the Hammerhead, along with planets that go along with it shortly thereafter.

All this fuss stems from people seeing early developement shots of the Hammerhead and just assuming that it'll be in the game, it's like Chris Priestly said when he pointed out that people get their hopes up about something (Vehicle customization, Legion, Hammerhead) and then get pissed off when it's not given to them in the form they want.

I do realize though that Casey Hudson went on in an interview about how much better the new vehicle handled, but maybe he was talking about the DLC, and not the actual game. *Shrug*

Regardless, we get Zaeed and new items and missions for free. We'll get the Hammerhead, the new armor and shotgun, and possibly some other items for either a little bit of microsoft points, or for free. My point is it sounds like a pretty massive DLC, so I'll gladly pay for an expansion pack of that size and not even feel bad about the cost.

Modifié par AoiDreamer, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:45 .

[DocLasty]

Yes, everything is EA's fault. Even though people screamed about there not being enough DLC for the first game.



And people wonder why most game companies don't listen to their fanbase at all. It's like trying to appease a spoiled brat; you just can't make him happy. They make DLC? People complain about having to buy extra. They don't make it? People complain about not having anything else to do. They make it DLC available from the start? People complain about it not being with the full game. They wait a few months? People complain about it taking too long.



Bringing the Hammerhead out like this is the best way to appeal to both groups. If you hated the Mako sequences and prefer to just get to the action, now you have that option. If you liked the sequences, you now have that option, too. Regardless, either way, ME2 is a massive game with hours and hours of content, and nobody who's played it has accused it of feeling unfinished or anything.



Honestly. Some people just aren't happy until they're unhappy.

[Kolos2]

What thy did is avoid driving by taking the player directly to the place where action is. Thy would not add Hammer, if there was no use for it., or at least thats  what Bioware claims

As someone said here before: its quiet possible thy gonna add an NPC to the Normandy who tries to sell the Hammerhead DLC

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:44 .

[Jarmelopt]

DocLasty wrote...

Yes, everything is EA's fault. Even though people screamed about there not being enough DLC for the first game.

And people wonder why most game companies don't listen to their fanbase at all. It's like trying to appease a spoiled brat; you just can't make him happy. They make DLC? People complain about having to buy extra. They don't make it? People complain about not having anything else to do. They make it DLC available from the start? People complain about it not being with the full game. They wait a few months? People complain about it taking too long.

Bringing the Hammerhead out like this is the best way to appeal to both groups. If you hated the Mako sequences and prefer to just get to the action, now you have that option. If you liked the sequences, you now have that option, too. Regardless, either way, ME2 is a massive game with hours and hours of content, and nobody who's played it has accused it of feeling unfinished or anything.

Honestly. Some people just aren't happy until they're unhappy.

Stop acting so self righteous.  Most of the side missions in ME1 were optional too.  People wanted DLC in addition to the rest of the game and right now seems like they cut stuff out so it would be DLC.  I don't particularly mind for the rest of the stuff as a character and guns are very much optional but something that could possibly affect the gameplay on a large scale being left out just plain sucks.  

[marshalleck]

Kolos2 wrote...


As someone said here before: its quiet possible thy gonna add an NPC to the Normandy who tries to sell the Hammerhead DLC

Why would they do that when the Cerberus Network serves that purpose? 

More logic, less histrionics folks

Modifié par marshalleck, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:46 .

[Frotality]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Frotality wrote...

your missing the entire point. we very well understand what its role wont be, and that impossibly limited role is the concern. that the hammerhead has been made an optional luxury instead of being an intergral part of uncharted worlds like the mako is the problem. our view is that the hammerhead, as a mako replacement SHOULDVE (key word) been a part of the main game, and that role that we prefer, as you have noted, cannot be in the form additional dlc as it would have to alter the current mechanics of the uncharted worlds.

Well, Bioware looked at forum complaints, took them to heart, and interpreted them in a fashion that lead to removal of planet trekking.  Apparently it was too much boring for people, in Biowares view.

It's too late now, sure some people (me included) enjoyed the uncharted vistas and trekking, but apparently most didn't.  Complaining about their choice is little more than crying over spilt milk at this point.

Maybe for the third installment the forums will learn to communicate their griefs and concerns coherently, so Bioware doesn't misinterpret your complaints.

yeah, our concerns basically are just crying over spilt milk, but also come with the hope that bioware will listen and not spill our milk in ME3. while the desires of the forums are very often incoherent rants, I cant for the life of me remember wanting to remove vehicle exploration completely, many wanted it simply improved, and this isnt the only instance of improve=remove for ME2.

if you hate brussel sprouts, you dont give up eating, you get better tasting food. if you regret ever watching a horrible tv show, i very much doubt you would stop watching all tv because of it. if you hated the mako, it doesnt mean you hate the idea of an exploration vehicle, just that badly implemented example of one. the forumites could certainly stand to make more organized and specific requests, but bioware isnt entirely exempt from blame either.

[CHULK88]

I pre-ordered my copy from play.com in the UK but it didn't say anything about a network card does anyone know if it will be in the case?

[AoiDreamer]

Yes. Every copy, CE, and Standard gets a Cerberus card absolutely free, world wide.

[Kolos2]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Oh the horrors! Damn you EA Satan Inc!

I dont realy blame EA, thy know the saying that as long idiots have money the wise will prosper. In most situations costumers tend to have more for their money not less, you just think its the oposite

Good for EA, bad for ME3 

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 07:58 .

[merik3000]

I'm confused as the mako was needed  on every un-charted planet and alot of story missions so how are they going to add a vechile a few days after the main game is released? Will they just at 2or4 uncharted worlds where you do blind exploration like in ME1? Is the hammerhead a free DLC as the ea site says that the hammerhead dlc comes soon after the release date and I thought only dlc available on day one will be free? Man this announcement of dlc has made more questions than answers! If the hammerhead dlc will add alot of content i'll have to wait to play ME2 as i like completing all the extra missions and only play the paragon :innocent: path so I don't want to complete the game just to find loads of extra stuff released soon after I finish it!

[Kolos2]

Based on the current info Bioware did give us directly or not;
- it wont be free since its a second DLC, it will be " a necessity for planetary exploration", now how its gonna be integrated and when, it was not stated by them, rest is speculation in this stage

Prolly on a second playthrough or third if you are willing to buy it

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:17 .

[DocLasty]

Jarmelopt wrote...

DocLasty wrote...

Yes, everything is EA's fault. Even though people screamed about there not being enough DLC for the first game.

And people wonder why most game companies don't listen to their fanbase at all. It's like trying to appease a spoiled brat; you just can't make him happy. They make DLC? People complain about having to buy extra. They don't make it? People complain about not having anything else to do. They make it DLC available from the start? People complain about it not being with the full game. They wait a few months? People complain about it taking too long.

Bringing the Hammerhead out like this is the best way to appeal to both groups. If you hated the Mako sequences and prefer to just get to the action, now you have that option. If you liked the sequences, you now have that option, too. Regardless, either way, ME2 is a massive game with hours and hours of content, and nobody who's played it has accused it of feeling unfinished or anything.

Honestly. Some people just aren't happy until they're unhappy.

Stop acting so self righteous.  Most of the side missions in ME1 were optional too.  People wanted DLC in addition to the rest of the game and right now seems like they cut stuff out so it would be DLC.  I don't particularly mind for the rest of the stuff as a character and guns are very much optional but something that could possibly affect the gameplay on a large scale being left out just plain sucks.  

If it affected gameplay that much, it would have come up by now. Someone who's played the game would have noted it and put it in their review. There's been no indication that taking the Mako out has any negative effect at all; if anything, it all points to the contrary. You're just doomsaying.