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[Inhuman one]

Alright, I would like to try something interesting, theres just something I am curious about.

I would like you all to first make a list of all the Bioware games you have played, your favorite one on top, and your least favorite one at the bottom. If you didnt play it just leave it off the list.

And after that I would like you all to make more lists to rate the same Bioware games again, but on specific parts, namely:

-story
-companions
-music
-combat
-most hours played
-immersion
-character creation and customization

I am rather curious about how much these lists will match the first list, try not to be biased though.

I will start of first.

1. Neverwinter Nights
2. Knights of the Old Republic
3. Jade Empire
4. Mass Effect
5. Dragon Age

-Story
1. Knights of the Old Republic
2. Jade Empire
3. Mass Effect
4. Dragon Age
5. Neverwinter Nights

-companions
1. Knights of the Old Republic
2. Jade Empire
3. Mass Effect
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Dragon Age

-Music
1. Jade Empire
2. Neverwinter Nights
3. Knights of the Old Republic
4. Mass Effect
5. Dragon Age

-combat
1. Mass Effect
2. Jade Empire
3. Neverwinter Nights
4. Dragon Age
5. Knights of the Old Republic

-most hours played
1. Neverwinter Nights (by far)
2. Knights of the Old Republic
3. Jade Empire
4. Mass Effect
5. Dragon Age

-immersion
1. Neverwinter Nights (online)
2. Jade Empire
3. Knights of the old Republic
4. Mass Effect
5. Dragon Age

-character creation and customization
1. Neverwinter Nights (by far since the others all use a very limited amount of armor models)
2. Dragon Age and Mass Effect
3. Knights of the Old Republic
4. Jade Empire

[Seagloom]

Favorites
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Jade Empire
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Neverwinter Nights
- Dragon Age
- Baldur's Gate
- Mass Effect

Story
- Baldur's Gate
- Jade Empire
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Dragon Age
- Neverwinter Nights (Shadows of Undrentide & Hordes of the Underdark)
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Mass Effect

Companions
- Dragon Age
- Jade Empire
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Knights of the Old Republic (Jolee Bindo 4ever)
- Neverwinter Nights (Hordes of the Underdark)
- Neverwinter Nights (Shadows of Undrentide)
- Mass Effect
- Baldur's Gate

Music
- Jade Empire
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Neverwinter Nights
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Baldur's Gate
- Mass Effect
- Dragon Age

Combat
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Neverwinter Nights
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Baldur's Gate
- Dragon Age
- Jade Empire
- Mass Effect

Most Hours Played
- Neverwinter Nights
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Baldur's Gate
- Jade Empire
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Dragon Age
- Mass Effect

Immersion
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Mass Effect
- Dragon Age
- Jade Empire
- Neverwinter Nights
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Baldur's Gate

Character Creation & Customization
- Neverwinter Nights
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Dragon Age
- Mass Effect
- Baldur's Gate
- Jade Empire

Two notes: I judged Neverwinter Nights strictly by its single player experience without the introduction of online play or community modules. Otherwise it would shoot to the top of my favorites and immersion lists. For the character creation and customization category, I judged with gameplay mechanics taking priority over avatar customization. Hence Mass Effect and Dragon Age not being on top. How my character looks takes a backseat to how fun they are to play, and BioWare's recent offerings fall short in terms of gameplay complexity.

[Ponce de Leon]

Interesting one. Can I rate all the games of BioWare I played? Let's see...



Games :

Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate 2
MDK 2
NWN
KotOR
Dragon Age : Origins



I played Mass Effect, but it was on the PC of a friend, so I can't say
I own the game. I played it however, but won't rate it in here since I
don't know half of it.



-story

Baldur's Gate 2
Dragon Age : Origins
Baldur's Gate
MDK 2
KotOR (not much of a SW fan here)
NWN (sorry, but sad truth)

-companions

Dragon Age : Origins
Baldur's Gate 2 (have to say I was surprised by this)
KotOR
Baldur's Gate
NWN (if I consider the expansions, then it gets over BG1)
MDK 2 ( can't actually place it anywhere before. Characters yes, but there aren't companions in the game)



-music

Dragon Age : Origins
Baldur's Gate 2
Baldur's Gate
KotOR
NWN
MDK 2 (can't really remember it, but the others had quite solid music).

-combat

Baldur's Gate 2
Baldur's Gate
Dragon Age : Origins
MDK 2
NWN
KotOR

-most hours played

Baldur's Gate
Dragon Age : Origins
Baldur's Gate 2
NWN
KotOR
MDK 2

-immersion
Baldur's Gate 2
Dragon Age : Origins
Baldur's Gate
KotOR
MDK 2
NWN (I am sorry to say this, but I was pretty bored by the game)

character creation and customization
Dragon Age : Origins
NWN
Baldur's Gate 2
Baldur's Gate
KotOR
MDK 2 (no costumization)

So, the ending score would be :
1. Baldur's Gate 2
2. Dragon Age : Origins
3. KotOR (surprisingly, it was better than BG1 in some aspects, but I will rarely say so)
4. Baldur's Gate
5. MDK
6. NWN

Note : I hate multiplayer, which can somehow explain the low score of NWN.

Modifié par dark-lauron, 19 janvier 2010 - 06:52 .

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

 1. Mass Effect
2. Dragon Age
3. Knights of the Old Republic
4. Jade Empire
5. Baldur's Gate

-Story
1. Mass Effect
2. Knights of the Old Republic
3. Dragon Age
4. Jade Empire
5. Baldur's Gate

-companions
1. Dragon Age
2. Knights of the Old Republic
3. Jade Empire
4. Mass Effect
5. Baldur's Gate

-Music
1. Knights of the Old Republic
2. Dragon Age
3. Mass Effect
4. Jade Empire
5. Baldur's Gate

-combat 
1. Mass Effect
2. Jade Empire
3. Knights of the Old Republic
4. Dragon Age
5. Baldur's Gate

-most hours played
1. Knights of the Old Republic
2. Dragon Age
3. Mass Effect
4.Jade Empire
5. Baldur's Gate

-immersion
1.Knights of the Old Republic
2. Dragon Age (tie)
2. Mass Effect (tie)
4. Jade Empire
5. Baldur's Gate

[Borschtbeet]

I guess MDK II doesn't count.  I loved MDK II but it's probably not fair to compare it to a bunch of RPGs.  So here is my list of the Bioware RPGs I've played.

1. Dragon Age Origins
2. Mass Effect
3. Knights Of The Old Republic
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Sonic Chronicles
6. Jade Empire

-Story
1. Dragon Age Origins
2. Mass Effect
3. KOTOR
4. Jade Empire
5. Sonic Chronicles
6. Neverwinter Nights

-companions
1. Dragon Age Origins
2. Knights of the Old Republic
3. Mass Effect
4. Sonic Chronicles
5. Neverwinter Nights
6.Jade Empire

-Music
1. Mass Effect
2. Dragon Age Origins
3. Knights of the Old Republic
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Jade Empire
6. Sonic Chronicles

-combat
1. Dragon Age
2. Mass Effect
3. Knights of the Old Republic
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Sonic Chronicles
6. Jade Empire

-most hours played
1. Mass Effect
2. Dragon Age Origins
3. Neverwinter Nights
4. Knights of the Old Republic
5. Jade Empire
6. Sonic Chronicles

-immersion
1. Dragon Age Origins
2. Knights Of The Old Republic
3. Mass Effect
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Jade Empire
6. Sonic Chronicles

-character creation and customization
1. Neverwinter Nights
2. Dragon Age Origins
3. Mass Effect
4. Knights of the Old Republic
5. Jade Empire
6. Sonic Chronicles(last because there is none)

[Panderfringe]

I'm sceptical of any of these lsits that does not include NWN at the very bottom.

[Remmirath]

This is interesting. Hmmm.

What I've Played: 
1: Baldur's Gate II (w/ Throne of Bhaal) 
2: Baldur's Gate
3: Dragon Age
4: Knights of the Old Republic
5: Neverwinter Nights (w/ Hordes of the Underdark which I've not finished so I shall not rank) 

Story:
1: Dragon Age (longest and best stand-alone story, in my opinion) 
2: Knights of the Old Republic (very Star Wars and interesting, but much shorter) 
3: Baldur's Gate II (rated on only Shadows of Amn; the Baldur's Gate series together I would put at #1, but it's hardly fair to rate it that way) 
4: Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal (stand-alone wouldn't make as much sense, clearly; see above) 
5: Baldur's Gate (due to the amount of wandering and the difficulty of finding the story the first time through) 
6: Neverwinter Nights (self-explanitory?) 

Companions:
1: Dragon Age (liked all but one to some extent and didn't hate him) 
2: Knights of the Old Republic (liked ... Canderous and HK-47) 
3: Baldur's Gate II (never played through whole game with NPC companions) 
4: Baldur's Gate (never played through whole game with NPC companions) 
5: Neverwinter Nights (obvious?) 

Music:
1: Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal
2: Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
3: Baldur's Gate (mostly for the title music) 
4: Knights of the Old Republic
5: Dragon Age (technically good and fitting and all, but mostly not my thing - I liked Orzammar)
6: Neverwinter Nights

Combat:
1: Baldur's Gate II (high-level + AD&D = me happy) 
2: Baldur's Gate (low-level + AD&D = me slightly less happy) 
3: Dragon Age (don't like the activated ability/cooldown style, like everything else; mostly a matter of preference) 
4: Knights of the Old Republic (memory hazy - clearly need to play again; memory is that nothing stood out) 
5: Neverwinter Nights (don't like the camera, not as fond of version 3,
other things I can't place - and for single-player, dislike not being
able to control the NPC companions)

Most hours played:
1: Baldur's Gate
2: Baldur's Gate II
3: Dragon Age
4: Knights of the Old Republic
5: Neverwinter Nights

Immersion:
1: Baldur's Gate II
2: Dragon Age
3: Knights of the Old Republic
4: Baldur's Gate
5: Neverwinter Nights

Character creation and customization:
1: Baldur's Gate II (tie; it's basically the same)
2: Baldur's Gate (tie)
3: Dragon Age (call me weird, but I still like stat rolling and portraits slightly better than not -  and the set last name is so rarely used it's odd in most origins. Also, the broad one-handed/two-handed/dual-wield categories bug me somehow. How is using a sword and a maul the same?) 
4: Neverwinter Nights (frickin' point-buy)
5: Knights of the Old Republic (frickin' point-buy)

Probably a few too many comments, but there it is.

[Inhuman one]

Panderfinge, Neverwinter Nights is the best Bioware game made to date in my opinion.



It has a toolset anyone can use and easily allows for the creation of large worlds and can be played online. And you dont need to download anything to connect to these worlds online unless mods are used.



And it has roleplaying online. That combined with the players making their own worlds, houses and being able to customize armor and weaponry quite a lot, especially combined with mods offers players the ability to make any world and characters they want and they can have their own houses in the gameworld, designed and decorated by them.



Nothing can compete with that in my humble opinion.

[Ponce de Leon]

But modding NWN goes outside Bioware, so it can't be considered 100% Bioware if you use the toolset for new worlds and all that stuff. For me, modded BG1 can easily take down any other BioWare game.

[Seagloom]

I have to agree with dark-lauron. If we're talking modded NWN1, then it's an amazing game that in many ways surpasses several other BioWare titles. However, that is all community content. The only way to keep this fair is by determining a baseline, and for me that's judging only BioWare's content.



@Panderfringe - You do realize these lists are all opinion, right? Last I checked you were not the sole arbiter of how fun everyone else determines a game is.

[Mordaedil]

Though, doesn't it extend to personal opinion whether community content should count in a list for determining what games you prefer too?

Favorites
- Neverwinter Nights
- Jade Empire
- Dragon Age
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Baldur's Gate
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Mass Effect

Story
- Dragon Age
- Jade Empire
- Baldur's Gate
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Neverwinter Nights
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Mass Effect

Companions
- Dragon Age
- Jade Empire
- Mass Effect
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Baldur's Gate
- Neverwinter Nights

Music
I hate music.

Combat
- Neverwinter Nights
- Dragon Age
- Jade Empire
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Baldur's Gate
- Mass Effect
- Baldur's Gate 2

Most Hours Played
- Neverwinter Nights
- Baldur's Gate
- Dragon Age
- Jade Empire
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Mass Effect
- Baldur's Gate 2

Immersion
- Neverwinter Nights
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Jade Empire
- Dragon Age
- Mass Effect
- Baldur's Gate
- Baldur's Gate 2

Character Creation & Customization
- Neverwinter Nights
- Dragon Age
- Mass Effect
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Baldur's Gate 2
- Baldur's Gate
- Jade Empire

Note that BG2 gets low scores in most things because I have not played it through and I don't like what I have played. Personal opinion here.

Personally, I just like NWN best because I can do *everything* and *anything* with it. I can't do that with BG 1 or 2 or JE, ME or KotOR. Even DA is not able to.

[Seagloom]

Mordaedil wrote...

Though, doesn't it extend to personal opinion whether community content should count in a list for determining what games you prefer too?

True. That was an opinion. If someone else wants to factor in community content in their list who am I to argue otherwise? I did not do so in mine solely because it felt unfair.

Music
I hate music.

Is that *all* music or music in these games? I'm finding it hard to wrap my mind around this concept.

[PsychoBlonde]

I'm not sure I like your categories, so here are mine:



-Overall:

1. DA

2. BG2

3. KotOR (and I dislike Star Wars)

4. Jade Empire

5. Neverwinter Nights (plus expansions)

6. Mass Effect

7. BG1



-Writing (It's seven iterations of the same basic story. It's the writing that makes the difference.)

1. Dragon Age

2. BG2

3. Jade Empire

4. Mass Effect

5. KotOR

6. NwN

7. BG1



-Companions

1. Neverwinter Nights (Deekin + Valen = Win) AND Dragon Age (Sten + Shale = Win, I can't decide which is better)

3. BG2 (would be the unequivocal #1 slot if it weren't for the fact that the class/race combos often meant that taking the companions you liked meant that your party was Full of Suck)

4. KotOR

5. Mass Effect

6. BG1 (redeemed by Minsc)

7. Jade Empire



-Music

1. BG2

2. Jade Empire

. . . (no particular opinion on the ones that go here, so throw them in any old place)

7. Mass Effect (BING!)



-gameplay (combat ain't everything)

1. Neverwinter Nights

2. BG2

3. Dragon Age

4. KotOR (redeemed by occasional fun bit of slicing etc.)

5. Jade Empire

6. Mass Effect

7. BG1 (gave everyone a bow and killed just about everything in the game that way because it was vastly more effective/efficient than anything else except vs. the Rooms Full Of Spellcasters, more repetitive than ME if you can believe it)



-most hours played

1. Neverwinter Nights

2. BG2

3. Dragon Age

4. BG1

5. Mass Effect

6. KotOR

7. Jade Empire (fun as it was, it's kind of a one-trick pony)



(Immersion should go here, but I don't think this functions as a category by itself.)



-overall aesthetics/customization

1. Neverwinter Nights (hands down)

2. Dragon Age (more potential than actual, because a lot of the other games are Full of Fail in this category. Sorry, this just isn't Bioware's strong suit.)

3. Jade Empire (yes, the customization SUCKED but I think the beauty of the setting made up for it.)

4. BG2

5. KotOR (think I used the same gear set with every character)

6. BG1

7. Mass Effect

[Excorant]

The games I played from Bioware - in alphabetical order: Baldurs Gate (+add-on), Baldurs Gate 2 (+add-on),  Dragon Age: Origins, Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights (+add-ons), Star Wars: KOTOR

Overall rating:

1.] Neverwinter Nights - in my eyes best RPG ever

2.] Star Wars: KOTOR

3.] Baldurs Gate

4.] Dragon Age: Origins

5.] Baldurs Gate 2

6.] Jade Empire

Story:

1.] Baldurs Gate
2.] SW: KOTOR
3.] Neverwinter Nights
4.] Dragon Age: Origins
5.] Jade Empire

Companions:

1.] Dragon Age: Origins
2.] Baldurs Gate
3.] Neverwinter Nights
4.] SW: KOTOR
5.] Baldurs Gate 2

Music (and sounds): Cant remember really, am bad at this. I just remember music from DAO atm as I played it recently and some of NWN, but that doesnt tell about overall music or sound quality.

Combat:

1.] Neverwinter Nights
2.] Jade Empire
3.] SW: KOTOR
4.] Dragon Age: Origins
5.] Baldurs Gate 2

Most hours played:

1.] Neverwinter Nights
2.] Dragon Age: Origins
3.] Baldurs Gate
4.] SW: KOTOR
5.] Baldurs Gate 2

Immersion:

1.] Baldurs Gate
2.] Neverwinter Nights
3.] SW: KOTOR
4.] Baldurs Gate 2
5.] Dragon Age: Origins

Character creation and customization

1.] Neverwinter Nights
2.] Baldurs Gate 2
3.] Dragon Age: Origins
4.] SW: KOTOR
5.] Jade Empire

What I lack in the criteria is "Innovation", where Neverwinter Nights win absolutely. The things it offered in time it was released were quite new to the genre. Baldurs Gate and SW: KOTOR were also good here. Those three game just made you "oooooooh" in their time, because you couldnt see anywhere else what they offered. DAO on the other hand isnt much innovative - its a great game, but it isnt anything that surprises you. The only real innovation I can see are the companions and their relationships, which are very well done.

[Inhuman one]

I did take the online hours with nwn into account but not the gameplay it offers. Otherwise the story, companions and all that would be better than any bioware game since some good roleplayers are way better than any NPC could ever be, but thats an outside source out of Bioware's hands.



The immersion I found online is made possible by Bioware, so I did make it count there.



I judge a game by all components provided by Bioware though, which does include patches, expansions, toolsets, online modes and all that. It would be strange to dismiss a part Bioware provided. It would be unfair to judge a game not on its full package but only on specific parts.

[andrewv42]

Mass Effect for each and every category, because it's the only Bioware game I have purchased and played thouroughly.
I've also downloaded SW: KotoR but the combat in that game really puts me off, and it probably would've taken me three hours to figure out how to beat the Rancor without consulting the ever-helpful Youtube. 

Modifié par andrewv42, 21 janvier 2010 - 02:58 .

[I Valente I]

My Favorites (in no order yet)

Baldur's Gate I & II
Mass Effect
KOTOR
Dragon Age
Jade Empire
NWN



STORY

1. Baldur's Gate I & II
2. Mass Effect
3. Dragon Age
4. Jade Empire
5. KOTOR
6. NWN

COMPANIONS

1. Dragon Age
2. Baldur's Gate I & II
3. Mass Effect
4. KOTOR
5. Jade Empire
6. NWN

COMBAT

1. Baldur's Gate I & II
2. Dragon Age
3. NWN
4. Mass Effect
5. KOTOR
6. Jade Empire

MUSIC

1. Jade Empire
2. Mass Effect
3. Dragon Age
4. NWN
5. Baldur's Gate I & II
6. KOTOR

MOST HOURS PLAYED

1. Baldur's Gate I & II
2. Mass Effect
3. KOTOR
4. NWN
5. Dragon Age
6. Jade Empire

IMMERSION

1. Mass Effect
2. Dragon Age
3. Jade Empire
4. Baldur's Gate I & II
5. KOTOR
6. NWN
CHARACTERS & CUSTOMIZATION

1. Baldur's Gate I & II
2. NWN
3. Mass Effect
4. KOTOR
5. Dragon Age
6. Jade Empire

Modifié par I Valente I, 21 janvier 2010 - 11:27 .

[Borschtbeet]

I don't judge a game based on community mods and patches.

I judge a game exactly as it comes out of the box and plays as soon as it's been installed on my hard drive.

[Dewnis]

I will start of first.

1. Knights of the Old Republic/Dragon Age: Origins
2. Dragon age: Origins/Knights of the Old Republic
3. Mass Effect
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Jade Empire

-Story
1. Knights of the Old Republic
2. Dragon Age
3. Mass Effect
4. Jade Empire
5. Neverwinter Nights

-companions
1. Dragon Age
2. KoToR
3. Mass Effect
4. Jade Empire
5. Neverwinter Nights

-Music
1. Dragon Age
2. Knights of the Old Republic
3. Neverwinter nights
4. Mass Effect
5. Jade Empire

-combat
1. Mass Effect
2. Dragon Age
3. KoToR
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Jade Empire

-most hours played
1. KoToR
2. Neverwinter Nights
3. Dragon Age
4. Mass Effect
5. Jade Empire

-immersion
1. Dragon Age
2. KoToR
3. Mass Effect
4. Neverwinter Nights
5. Jade Empire

-character creation and customization
1. Neverwinter Nights
2. Dragon Age/Mass Effect
3. Knights of the Old Republic
4. Jade Empire


Must add though. KoToR + Dragon Age are both in my top 5 best ever games.
Neverwinter Nights + Mass effect are without a doubt top 20

And Jade empire is also a great game. (And i've played a lot of games)

I actually played BG 1 and 2. But this was too long ago for me to give a fair judgement.
Also i might add that Dragon age and KoToR are very close. Not even sure as of which to put 1 or 2 of them.

Modifié par Dewnis, 22 janvier 2010 - 03:45 .