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[IamZAE]

Zyzimorph wrote...

74

Your age? Bah 74 is a crutch anyways

[Ledgend1221]

GI

[Supreme Leech]

For me, I find that the venom GI setup offers the highest DPS in the entire game, far ahead of any other build/weapon/character in the game. So I'll go GI without hesitation. GT has far better survivability, I use him a lot because I like all the geth characters (the soldiers and engineer are all amazing characters). But GI is the best, hands down.

[Creator Limbs]

IamZAE wrote...

@prosthetic... definition of crutch we should discuss this another topic later as it would demand its own thread

Then please work on starting that topic now, because I can't accurately understand this one until you do.

[Supreme Leech]

But...the map and difficulty setting plays a big part too.

[IamZAE]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

@prosthetic... definition of crutch we should discuss this another topic later as it would demand its own thread

Then please work on starting that topic now, because I can't accurately understand this one until you do.

You could google it up if u really want. Basically if someone needs a certain kit weapon or strategy to succeed and if they stop using said "crutches" they will fail.. that's the jist if it for mass effect.

[Ferocious Panda]

I think it would be much easier to solo and get extractions with the trooper. Trooper is just so tanky, and with flamer he can keep up with the GI offensively.

[IamZAE]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

I think it would be much easier to solo and get extractions with the trooper. Trooper is just so tanky, and with flamer he can keep up with the GI offensively.

Ur the first poster that can sort of not get blindsided by the gi awesome factor. And I agree with your post

[Chromatix]

Well, the way i see it:

GI:
Damage: He deals MORE. You can't ever doubt that.
Survival: He's got Tactical Cloak (which sometimes just hurts, like Atlas facing away from you) and ridiculous "Stagger on demand"
Diversity: He's got more build than Geth Soldier. In fact, 1 more build. (Flamer\\Weapons for GT, Melee\\Detonator\\Weapons for GI)

GT:
Damage: Flamer is not something you can control. You can't maximise your preformance, neither you can hurt it. You don't need good weapons to win, Flamer GT owns Avenger GI for sure. For some players, Flamer is also boring as hell. What really hurts GT is that he doesn't have GI level burst damage. And when there are MLG players involved, most of the game is who makes more burst damage.
Survival: Hard as nuts. With all this Foritfication and Shield Delay, he's good at it. Doesn't have stagger on demand and can't dump aggro though.
Diversity: As weapons platform he's... well, he's okay. Not remotely Destroyer's level or something, but okay. If we comprare him to GI, we'll obviously comprare Flamer GT. Well, we also comprare him only to Weapons GI so it's kinda stalemate.

So, basically, you can't just comprare kits overall. There are different "levels" of game with different conditions.

Low Level - Just Started: GT with Flamer will dominate GI.
Middle Level - Rares Not Maxed, No Endgame Ammo, Low-Level URs: Depending on skill of a player (100% hit-rate, many headshots or shooting air) GI will either dominate or suck. GT will just press flamer and have a stable level of preformance. GI depends on player, either he wins or loses.
Top Level - Crutch-level URs, Endgame Ammo: GI obviously wins. You can just use Hurrudurricane and ravage enemies or something. GT will still have his stable level of preformance. Considering most of the people who get to Crutch Level are already decent, there is no way GI can be worse. It's just about how much better than GT.

TL;DR GT is stable and decent, you can't improve him with skills, GI depends on how good you are and what weapons you have. It's like: ((Weapons)+(Skill))-(GT Stable Preformance) = GI's supremacy. It's either positive or negative, but that's it.

TL;DR is TL;DR Flamer is boring, GI is better.

Modifié par Chromatix, 20 septembre 2013 - 12:42 .

[Wizard of Ox]

IamZAE wrote...

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

@krogan errant. Cain mines are only the second most powerful grenade.. so its not op. Inferno nades actually does more damage and can get cheesed off...

They're still somewhat renewable missiles . 

Understood. But the power of gi and gt will quickly surpass extra makeshift spawn missiles. Personally I think the gt is slightly better based off the solos I've seen and personal experience.

Was kidding. 
As much as I hate to admit it, I came to the conclusion that, overall, the GT is better as it's way easier to use, really tanky and has great AoE and DoT. That being said, I still think that, in the hands of a skilled player, the GI surpasses the GT. 

[dumdum2]

Depends on how your playstyle looks like and your personal preference.

For me it would be the GI, and there are a few reasons for that. One is that I don't like to use the Flamer, it is just not my playstyle so on the GT I prefer to use weapons. So since both of them use weapons for me then the GI wins by a mile because of the higher DPS. About survivability I have this crazy idea that it is easier to survive the faster you can kill enemies, so for survivability I would go with the GI as well.

[megabeast37215]

Depends largely on the GI build as much as the Flamer build... I think the Javelin GI takes the cake over the GT bc he can operate outside most enemies range, so many things get OSKed, even without a headshot, enemies line up for double and triple kills often... Javelin collateral kills are easy to come by. Javelin GI doesn't ever have to take anything from Praetorians, Banshees, etc. Where the GT has to get close and risk sync kills or direct fire... Even with right hand advantage, he will still be forced to displace and expose himself, where the GI can simply kill them through walls. Sure the trooper can do the same thing with the Javelin but he doesn't get lolCloak bonuses and it would eat his Flamer DPS.

It's closer than most think... But I still think GI because of tactical advantages, no range limitations and weapon diversesity.

[NuclearTech76]

If played perfectly the GI is just plain better in every single way. Ranged, up close, survivability etc. GT is probably easier to get high DPS out of but the GI is just a damn wrecking machine in proper hands.

[LiL Reapur]

GT because he can take a rocket to the face and only 1/4 of his shield go down(based on build) and because of the flamer

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 20 septembre 2013 - 12:33 .

[Baby Quarian]

Flamerless GT is more fun to me than the GI imo. Better at killing though, I do better with the GT.

[megabeast37215]

Chromatix wrote...

Well, the way i see it:

GI deals more damage. You can't even doubt that. He's got Tactical Cloak (which sometimes just hurts, like Atlas facing away from you) and ridiculous "Stagger on demand"
He's got more build diversity than Geth Soldier. In fact, 1 more build. (FlamerWeapons for GT, MeleeDetonatorWeapons for GI)

GT is much more survivable. Unable of staggering and bursting enemies (This is really important, especially when we comprare kits preformance when they're used by good players, it comes down to who burst faster). As weapons platform he's... well, he's okay. Not remotely Destroyer's level or something, but okay. If we comprare him to GI, we'll obviously think about Flamer.

Flamer is not something you can control. You can't maximise your preformance, neither you can hurt it. You don't need good weapons to win, Flamer GT owns Avenger GI for sure.

So, basically, you can't just comprare kits. Just run 2 tests: With Swagbsnsuperbotb people and Avenger I.

At "low level" GT with Flamer will dominate GI.
At "middle level" (Low level Ultra-rares, no top-notch ammo and stuff) Depending on skill of a player (100% hit-rate, many headshots) GI will win. GT will just press flamer and have a stable level of preformance. GI depends on player, either he wins or loses.
At "high level" (Crutch-level Ultra-Rares, Ammo) GI obviously wins. You can just use Hurrudurricane and ravage enemies or something. GT will still have his stable level of preformance. Considering most of the people who get to Crutch Level are already decent, there is no way GI can be worse. It's just about how much better thatn GT.

TL;DR GT is stable and decent, you can't improve him with skills, GI depends on how good you are and what weapons you have. It's like: ((Weapons)+(Skill))-(GT Stable Preformance) = GI's supremacy. It's either positive or negative, but that's it.

TL:DR is TL;DR Flamer is boring, GI is better.

This is a pretty good assessment I think. 

Also... Flamer spam is for pathetic noobs.

[lightswitch]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

As you tend towards perfect aimbotness Talon GI becomes better than Geth Trooper (with Acolyte and/or Reegar.) A mere mortal like me would probably do better with the Trooper....

I don't know. I've been playing a bit of Talon GI lately and Talon TSol as well and the thing about the Talon GI is it doesn't even require particularly great aim. With the TSol if your aim isn't sharp you'll just straight up miss because the MM accuracy bonus is so good, whereas the GI is much more forgiving. Plus with all the GIs extra damage bonuses you don't need to get as many pellets on the target anyways.

I've been experimenting with a flamerless GT lately...it's pretty fun

[Chromatix]

Uggh, i've updated my post to throw in some more thoughts.

Also flamer is boring as hell and is pathetic.

[IamZAE]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Depends largely on the GI build as much as the Flamer build... I think the Javelin GI takes the cake over the GT bc he can operate outside most enemies range, so many things get OSKed, even without a headshot, enemies line up for double and triple kills often... Javelin collateral kills are easy to come by. Javelin GI doesn't ever have to take anything from Praetorians, Banshees, etc. Where the GT has to get close and risk sync kills or direct fire... Even with right hand advantage, he will still be forced to displace and expose himself, where the GI can simply kill them through walls. Sure the trooper can do the same thing with the Javelin but he doesn't get lolCloak bonuses and it would eat his Flamer DPS.

It's closer than most think... But I still think GI because of tactical advantages, no range limitations and weapon diversesity.

Excellent point and I agree with that logic... but how come gt solos smashes all other solos.?  I think the flamer power overcomes its own occupational of being too close to enemy.... I mean dat flamer is nasty

[IamZAE]

Chromatix wrote...

Uggh, i've updated my post to throw in some more thoughts.

Also flamer is boring as hell and is pathetic.

@u and megabeast. Hardcore salmon solo geth jade with flamer gt is he pathetic?

[Creator Limbs]

IamZAE wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

@prosthetic... definition of crutch we should discuss this another topic later as it would demand its own thread

Then please work on starting that topic now, because I can't accurately understand this one until you do.

You could google it up if u really want. Basically if someone needs a certain kit weapon or strategy to succeed and if they stop using said "crutches" they will fail.. that's the jist if it for mass effect.

Then you really are as dumb as I thought. Glad we sorted that out.

Modifié par prostheticlimbs, 20 septembre 2013 - 12:48 .

[Chromatix]

IamZAE wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

Uggh, i've updated my post to throw in some more thoughts.

Also flamer is boring as hell and is pathetic.

@u and megabeast. Hardcore salmon solo geth jade with flamer gt is he pathetic?

Krogan Reegar is pathetic also. Does it make Xcal pathetic?

NO.

This game is so much bull****, that using pathetic setups to finish hardest challenges or make fastest runs is okay.

In game with adequate balance, Geth wouldn't 3-tap rockets and Flamer and Reegar would be nerfed into ****.

But using Reegard and Flamer in team or not to get fastest run or do the hardest challenge _is_ pathetic and annoying.

Here are 3 facts for you:
1) Game is not balanced around solos.
2) Most of the solos done with GT because it is easy.
3) Flamer is pathetic. Read why in my previous post.

Modifié par Chromatix, 20 septembre 2013 - 12:51 .

[IamZAE]

@prosthetic. You talk alot of crap for someone who can't back anything up. Gt: I am ZAE. Add me and we will thunderdome. And we will see who's dumb.

[IamZAE]

@chromatix my topic isn't about moral ethics. Its about which kit is better. I could care less about your emotional feelings towards anything that's not cheating

[megabeast37215]

IamZAE wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

Uggh, i've updated my post to throw in some more thoughts.

Also flamer is boring as hell and is pathetic.

@u and megabeast. Hardcore salmon solo geth jade with flamer gt is he pathetic?

It's not the Geth Trooper that is pathetic amigo... It's the brainless spamming of one power all game long. It's easy, powerful and takes no... Skill, for lack of a better word (Lol at the concept of skill in this game). 

After the Juggy, the Trooper is the most noob friendly class bc of survivability... But he's far better than the Juggy bc he can kill without a gun. This makes the Trooper and the Fury the two best DPS classes for people with no manifest (Batarian Soldier is also in the conversation, but he needs Grenade Capacity V).